Forums > Model Colloquy > Female Models Afraid To Pose Nude With Male Models

Model

just jray

Posts: 286

Stephenville, Texas, US

If the male model is professional, he is going to realize the tension with the situation and go overboard to not just be a GWP (sorry guy with penis, I just had to use that one thanks to the earlier poster) If the photographer is professional he/she is going to do the same.  But there are still double standards about the whole sexual tension thing with guys vs. girls, and girls IMHO are rightfully so more cautious about who they hang out with when they are nude.

Nov 21 08 10:49 am Link

Model

Voodoo Howyacall

Posts: 409

Austin, Texas, US

I wish!

I've wanted to do a shoot with a male model, but to no avail. *Sigh*.

Nov 25 08 03:24 am Link

Model

Emily Kherrington

Posts: 1000

If both parties are professional, I don't see the problem...

You tend to get shyness & squeamishness from inexperienced and/or immature models.

Maybe try posting a casting call where you say what you're looking for, plus this: "models must be comfortable posing nude & posing nude with opposite sex - prior experience not necessary but a definite plus" - and try to pick a model who has experience or who is obviously professional, open and comfortable posing nude.

Communication is key.  Explain what you want in great detail so everyone knows what they're signing up for.

Best wishes.

Nov 25 08 05:05 am Link

Photographer

Rick Edwards

Posts: 6185

Wilmington, Delaware, US

-Titania- wrote:
"Nice Titties! I'd love to shove my face between them"

isn't this in the dictionary as an example of unprofessional behavior...
dear freakin' god....
That's when I kick the asshole to the curb.
Photography has enough of a stigma without me letting it happen on one of my shoots.

To the original question, I've had a few male and female shoots and have had no problems but like was stated, it was discussed up front

Nov 25 08 06:31 am Link

Model

_Wednesday_

Posts: 198

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

I prefer not to pose with other men. I even say that right in my profile. I think that my boyfriend would likely be pretty understanding about it if I wanted to, but I just don't feel the desire to place myself in an intimate position like that with another dude. Women I have no problem with at all. In fact, I enjoy it as long as there is good chemistry. I can't really decipher why it is I feel that way about it or what the difference in my head is...but it just is.

Nov 25 08 07:20 am Link

Model

Dana Barry

Posts: 1920

Brooklyn, New York, US

youve just picked the wrong models....i love working with other models...especially males! The physical strength they possess allows for more possibilities during a shoot!

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … e_count=12

smile

Nov 25 08 08:43 am Link

Photographer

MS Foto

Posts: 2224

Manchester, New Hampshire, US

When I was still actively posing, I had no less than 4 shoots cancelled at the last minute because the female models got cold feet. One was even a gig that the model hired the photographer to find a male to pose with her. He recruited me, she agreed, then flaked the day of the shoot. The photographer got to keep the deposit, but I lost a day. WTF

Nov 25 08 10:24 am Link

Model

Betty Jo

Posts: 1004

Riverview, Florida, US

i have no problem working with a nude male model in those guide lines.

Nov 25 08 10:38 am Link

Model

Rhiannon Davis

Posts: 945

Dallas, Texas, US

My first nude shoot was actually with another nude male model. However, he was 1) an excellent and very experienced model and 2) a good friend of mine that I had known for a while. See if you can't find a female model who has male model friends (shouldn't be too difficult, attractive company follows attractive company. weird i know) that she is comfortable with and then see what the deal is. Part of it really is just being naked (vulnerable) and near a big scary strange man with rippling biceps and six pack abs. ::drools::

Nov 25 08 11:27 am Link

Photographer

fstopdreams

Posts: 4300

Chattanooga, Tennessee, US

-Titania- wrote:
My experience with the way many male 'models' behave on model mayhem would make me leery. "Nice Titties! I'd love to shove my face between them" isn't exactly what I'd call professional behavior.

Now, that being said, I have had a fabulous experience with a male model that the photographer that hired me vouched for.

The lesson?

Get yourself a good model that you can confidently vouch for and has good references.

So avoid MM?

Nov 25 08 11:30 am Link

Model

Biana_Libertine

Posts: 3458

Brooklyn, New York, US

Because if I guy hits on a chick in the place of work, it's sexual harrasment, but if  a chick and a chick go at it, it's some how viewed as more acceptable.

Nov 25 08 11:48 am Link

Photographer

Gibson Photo Art

Posts: 7990

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Interesting that the males models comfort level is never a concern. My experience has been the women who had trouble keeping it professional. Giggling,  making little jokes or teasing the male model in order to see if he would get hard. The guys were always afraid to get out of line while the women seemed to think it was a free pass to act like a child.

Nov 25 08 12:05 pm Link

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Kelly leProbleme

Posts: 770

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Right now I'd be uncomfortable posing with either gender in an intimate way.

Maybe it's my Social Anxiety. Maybe it's because I'm bisexual. I think it's both.

Nov 25 08 12:56 pm Link

Photographer

Paul Bryson Photography

Posts: 48041

Hollywood, Florida, US

Chick Habit wrote:
*There was supposed to be a "?" at the end but I ran out of room*

Maybe it's just the region I'm in, but I'm noticing a great "discomfort" when trying to get female models to pose nude with nude male models. Now before it gets ugly, no there's no "porn feel" or shady negotiations, I lay everything on the line (no penetration, no touching of private parts, safe secure environment, proper compensation) yet it's still met with great "apprehension."

But yet, take the male model out and add a nude female (that being two nude female models) and there's no apprehension or concern. Though my experience in shooting two nude females together have been that there's more flirting, touching, groping, kissing, etc... than any male model that's ever worked for me in such a situation has ever done. In fact I only had one guy do that and he was quickly kicked off the set after a warning.

What gives?

My experience shooting men is the exact opposite. They usually only want to pose with a female model, and frown on posing with other men. Well, at least it WAS that way until I stopped working with guys who seem homophobic. No gay = no pay. big_smile

Nov 25 08 01:04 pm Link

Photographer

CayneClarke Photography

Posts: 2

Washington Navy Yard, District of Columbia, US

Definitely the male model has to have the experience in working under those conditions. I mean honestly, working with beautiful women from behind the camera is challenging in itself...but place me next to a gorgeous nude female model....yeah, without the experience could be a bit difficult. I always can tell if they can or cant handle it...its almost like being a porn star...every man thinks he can do it...you know like they do it on those DVD's but shove them into a live performance with MUA and lights and cameras and a host of others on set....yeah, lets see how they perform...

Jan 05 09 09:41 am Link

Model

Big A-Larger Than Life

Posts: 33451

The Woodlands, Texas, US

Chick Habit wrote:

I have one main guy that I use, he's been nothing but a complete gentleman.

No such thing LOL.  A gentleman is a guy that ACTS like he's polite when in the presence of a girl because he knows that if he misbehaves he'll get hella slapped.  big_smile

Jan 05 09 09:59 am Link

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Joanne M

Posts: 525

London, England, United Kingdom

-Titania- wrote:
My experience with the way many male 'models' behave on model mayhem would make me leery. "Nice Titties! I'd love to shove my face between them" isn't exactly what I'd call professional behavior.

haha!!!

Jan 05 09 10:02 am Link

Model

Big A-Larger Than Life

Posts: 33451

The Woodlands, Texas, US

Ash Turner wrote:
Because posing nude alone is one thing.

But posing nude with a male that you've never met is another. It just takes a new level of comfort and a lot of people don't have that. I know I don't.

Hmmm, I gotta side with the guys on this one, though.  It's just work- it's a job.  It's not like you have to make out with the guy.  Every day models are hired for coed shoots for print work, etc. and the models just show up and do the job.  It's not like you have to make the guy your new BFF or something LOL.

Jan 05 09 10:02 am Link

Model

Big A-Larger Than Life

Posts: 33451

The Woodlands, Texas, US

Dana Barry wrote:
youve just picked the wrong models....i love working with other models...especially males! The physical strength they possess allows for more possibilities during a shoot!

https://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic … e_count=12

smile

Wha eva.  I just like their pretty faces and their faces combined with their square manly chestesses makes for nice eye candy for the day.  I can bring the physical strength and muscles to the shoot MYSELF, thank you very much.  big_smile

Jan 05 09 10:06 am Link

Photographer

Philipe

Posts: 5302

Pomona, California, US

Chick Habit wrote:

I have one main guy that I use, he's been nothing but a complete gentleman.

It makes no differents, models both male and female have the right to draw the some where. What if you had a straight male model refusing to pose nude next a gay male model? Not saying this is what you would shoot... But for the same reason, it may not be there thing... Respect there wishes and move on..

Jan 05 09 10:20 am Link

Photographer

Urban Stylz Photo

Posts: 2669

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Daniela V is Retiring wrote:
If the male model and I could speak beforehand, and if he had references (oh, and I was getting paid), then I wouldn't have a problem.

please...

Jan 05 09 10:36 am Link

Model

BlkAnansie

Posts: 180

London, England, United Kingdom

Don't see why not. So long as he doesn't "try" it on, he won't get knocked upside the head. Simple as big_smile

Jan 05 09 11:03 am Link

Model

Isobel Wren

Posts: 1536

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

I've done three nude shoots with male models and all were horrible.  The guys were nice, but they treated it like a date where we happened to be naked.  They chatted me up and smirked at me.  I constantly felt on the defensive, like I was a free show, an up close and personal stripper.  When I smiled at one guy for a photo he *ahem* became erect and then tried to "oops" me.  I was afraid to show any positive emotion in the photos because these guys clearly couldn't understand that I was a professional model, playing to the camera, who did NOT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM.

I've had tons of photoshoots with female models because they're professional and they understand that it's a job.  Even when there has been attraction going on between female models, they don't try to jump me at the shoot, they can keep it professional.  Girls can get all up in each other's junk w/o it feeling like we're seconds away from a rape.

I don't even approve male models on MM as friends anymore.  You approve a male model and he takes that as a green light, writes you about how sexy you are and how he'd love to "shoot" with you, go get drinks beforehand, "so we'll be more comfortable together at the shoot".  Then you tell him that you don't do nudes with males and that you don't date in the industry and you never hear back from him again.

Jan 05 09 11:27 am Link

Model

Isobel Wren

Posts: 1536

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Oh, and when I have male/female nude shots in my portfolio, not only do I get more solicitations from horny male "models", I get TONS more casting/shoot requests for b/g porn and weird, "how about I get in the shot with you?" requests from GWCs. 

It's like, "dude.  I'm laying in front of a naked male, you can't even see either of our genitals, there's no sex implied or anything.  Why does that mean I'm comfortable with penis in photos?"

Jan 05 09 11:31 am Link

Model

VasilisaK

Posts: 4500

London, England, United Kingdom

The possibility of the male model 'losing control' is not why I don't pose with male models.

Jan 05 09 11:43 am Link

Photographer

Mr Banner

Posts: 85322

Hayward, California, US

Vasilisa 2 wrote:
The possibility of the male model 'losing control' is not why I don't pose with male models.

A professional male model knows how to handle that.

Jan 05 09 11:46 am Link

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VasilisaK

Posts: 4500

London, England, United Kingdom

Vasilisa 2 wrote:
The possibility of the male model 'losing control' is not why I don't pose with male models.

Damon Banner wrote:
A professional male model knows how to handle that.

Jan 05 09 11:47 am Link

Model

VasilisaK

Posts: 4500

London, England, United Kingdom

dp

Jan 05 09 11:48 am Link

Photographer

Mr Banner

Posts: 85322

Hayward, California, US

okay, I see.  (at work)

Jan 05 09 11:51 am Link

Model

The Main Man

Posts: 4135

Sacramento, California, US

Damon Banner wrote:

A professional male model knows how to handle that.

GIGGADDY GIGGADY!!! smile

Jan 05 09 11:51 am Link

Photographer

Giuseppe Luzio

Posts: 5834

New York, New York, US

Im converting to modeling, i want to do nudes full time with women HHEHEHE i kid i kid

Jan 05 09 11:52 am Link

Model

VasilisaK

Posts: 4500

London, England, United Kingdom

Damon Banner wrote:
okay, I see.  (at work)

yikes on mm when on the clock? Well I never, Mr Banner!

Jan 05 09 11:53 am Link

Model

L57

Posts: 10908

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

-Titania- wrote:
My experience with the way many male 'models' behave on model mayhem would make me leery. "Nice Titties! I'd love to shove my face between them" isn't exactly what I'd call professional behavior.

Now, that being said, I have had a fabulous experience with a male model that the photographer that hired me vouched for.

The lesson?

Get yourself a good model that you can confidently vouch for and has good references.

I get that but it  should be pretty easy to sound people out in that regard, a quick back and forth should make it fairly clear whether it's a model with penis or a model who is interested in modeling and happens to have a penis as well tongue

Jan 05 09 12:05 pm Link

Model

L57

Posts: 10908

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Vasilisa 2 wrote:
The possibility of the male model 'losing control' is not why I don't pose with male models.

males are no more animals that can 'lose control' anymore than females run on emotions and are completely irrational.

This is silly.

and besides, with lights and cameras and nervousness that's the last thing on most peoples mind.

Jan 05 09 12:06 pm Link

Model

VasilisaK

Posts: 4500

London, England, United Kingdom

Again, I said it's not why I don't pose with male models...yes if that was the reason it'd be pretty effing dumb 1) because, when concentrating it's unlikely and 2) what's there to be scared of? It's a penis.

Jan 05 09 12:16 pm Link

Model

L57

Posts: 10908

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Vasilisa 2 wrote:
Again, I said it's not why I don't pose with male models...yes if that was the reason it'd be pretty effing dumb 1) because, when concentrating it's unlikely and 2) what's there to be scared of? It's a penis.

My post agrees smile

so what's your justification not to?

Jan 05 09 12:21 pm Link

Model

VasilisaK

Posts: 4500

London, England, United Kingdom

My boyfriend doesn't like the idea of me being naked and touching another guy, who is also naked. He gets that its not sexual and it's a professional atmosphere, but just doesn't like it and I respect his feelings.

Jan 05 09 12:24 pm Link

Model

Marcia Wood

Posts: 1770

New York, New York, US

I'd be willing to pose nude with a guy as long as he is professional about it.

Jan 05 09 12:29 pm Link

Model

L57

Posts: 10908

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Vasilisa 2 wrote:
My boyfriend doesn't like the idea of me being naked and touching another guy, who is also naked. He gets that its not sexual and it's a professional atmosphere, but just doesn't like it and I respect his feelings.

Fair enough, I found dating an art model made me get over that pretty quickly.  I feel jealous and all the uncertainty of course, but if the trust is there, I just let her know and we both take it as a validation that I care strongly for her and she me.

It all boils down to trust but I can understand not wanting to go through the trouble.

Jan 05 09 12:32 pm Link

Model

VasilisaK

Posts: 4500

London, England, United Kingdom

ColinR wrote:

Fair enough, I found dating an art model made me get over that pretty quickly.  I feel jealous and all the uncertainty of course, but if the trust is there, I just let her know and we both take it as a validation that I care strongly for her and she me.

It all boils down to trust but I can understand not wanting to go through the trouble.

It's not really a trust thing I don't think- he knows my reaction if a model made a move on me in that situation! Just the thought of it on an emotional/gut instinct rather than intellectual, he wouldn't kick up a fuss if I did decide to do them but I know he wouldn't be happy about it.

Jan 05 09 12:36 pm Link