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Elizabeth Gerbino
Posts: 1,786
SHERMAN OAKS, California, US


Hey guys,

I haven't encountered this problem until recently...
I'v been working with a few models/actresses who have very straight, hard to curl lashes. I curl the lashes several times (I have the Shu curler), then I put mascara on, but after the mascara the lashes just seem to fall back where they were. then I go in with my heated curler and still.... stick straight. Does anyone have any tricks to get stubborn lashes to curl? Does curling mascara work? I've tried everything I can think of.... any help is much appreciated!

Thanks lovelies!
Liz
Dec 03 08 06:48 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Suzanna Green
Posts: 251
Penzance, England, United Kingdom


Do you put mascara on both 'sides' of the lash?  I hope this doesn't sound silly, but I was taught to only put mascara on one side of the lash, then when the mascara dries it naturally curls??? I generally only put it on the underside of the lash and it seems to work ok. I hate lash curlers and no matter how much i try i just can't seem to get them to work for me sad
Failing that i would suggest the model gets their lashes permed, but only by a qualified beautician!
Dec 03 08 06:54 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ms Eryka
Posts: 3,923
Inwood, New York, US


This is going to sound really retarded but after I curl the lashes I apply one coat of mascara then curl again and I hold it for about 5 seconds....apply another coat. But I don't use reg mascara I use clear mascara..to me its sturdier... when I have my acheived curl I then use reg mascara.
Dec 03 08 06:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Cynthia ORourke
Posts: 1,435
New York, New York, US


I have these lashes my self.  Very pia.  I don't have a voila! solution, but...

Do you ever try curling with a spoon first?  It gives a way more gentle curl but you can kinda get really in there and you are getting the whole strand of a lash in one go.  Maybe try that first, then bring in the big gun shu or heated curler.
Dec 03 08 07:04 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Jessica Jean Myers
Posts: 1,487
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


What type of heated lash curler do you have?  Apparently Liz's (yaby) is amazing (from what I've heard)!  Is anything by Yaby not amazing lol?!  She's asian so she knows straight lashes lol.
Dec 03 08 07:04 am  Link  Quote 
Hair Stylist
A J T
Posts: 3,113
Brooklyn, New York, US


Just saying Hiiiiii Liz!

When you wanna come help me get my apartment in order? smile
Dec 03 08 10:29 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Elizabeth Lakomsky
Posts: 2,235
New York, New York, US


I also use a heated curler. I have Liz's and it works well after mascara. Also, did you try heating the shu curler with a blowdrier? You only need to hold it for like a second because the metal gets hot fast.
Dec 03 08 10:32 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
chart
Posts: 2,363
Los Angeles, California, US


i am so frightened of heated curlers for some reason...ive never touched one...which do you use LIz?
Dec 03 08 10:47 am  Link  Quote 
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chart
Posts: 2,363
Los Angeles, California, US


dp
Dec 03 08 10:47 am  Link  Quote 
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LisaJohnson
Posts: 10,525
Nashville, Tennessee, US


I'm waiting for some genius to come up with the heated curlers like you have for your hair.  I use the Shu heated one and it works "OKAY" on stubborn lashes..not that great - I have stick straight lashes...and now I just give up, and comb them up while drying in HOPES of them curling a bit.  Fake lashes help me considerably - by applying mascara first, applying the lashes, bonding them together a bit..then a light mascara touchup IF needed. 

What a pain.  Now I live with straight lashes mostly.

Also, I sin by curling lashes after mascara.  I do I do.
Dec 03 08 11:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natalia Eiras
Posts: 885
Red Bank, New Jersey, US


This happens to my lashes ALL THE TIME.

My remedies:

Curl lashes repeatedly- root to tip

Put on one light coat of WATERPROOF mascara... regular mascara is too wet and just ends up straightening my lashes flat again

Curl lashes again once the mascara has dried and re apply a second coat.


I can never use regular mascara, it just flattens my lashes right back down as if I never curled them
Dec 03 08 11:20 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
E E S
Posts: 768
Los Angeles, California, US


I'm Asian, so I have the thick straight long lashes that grow downwards. I don't use the Shu curler, I use the black plastic travel Japonesque (for $11)- I can get really close to the roots of my lashes with this curler-but i always travel up towards the ends with it. I almost over-curl my lashes.

Then as a previous poster stated, I use waterproof mascara (almost always L'oreal's Voluminous or Lash Out). I never use regular, as my lashes will wilt with them.

I never have to re-curl or re-apply mascara after.
Dec 03 08 11:27 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Naomi Jay
Posts: 1,436
New York, New York, US


Me thinks it's the mascara. Certain ones do this to me too.
Dec 03 08 01:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rachel Lisa
Posts: 2,975
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


And then what about when the lashes are TOO curly? Like on african american women? How do you straighten them so you can get a pair of lashes on them without cussing like a sailor?
Dec 03 08 02:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
E E S
Posts: 768
Los Angeles, California, US


Rachel Lisa wrote:
And then what about when the lashes are TOO curly? Like on african american women? How do you straighten them so you can get a pair of lashes on them without cussing like a sailor?

The reason why I almost over curl them is because the mascara will naturally take out some of the curl.

But if that does happen, I do a new coat of mascara + while it is wet, comb it out. Or stick them to the underside of the lashes.

Dec 03 08 05:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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ArtistryImage
Posts: 2,706
Washington, District of Columbia, US


weird silly me... dealing w/ really straight lashes?  i sometimes apply band lashes the same density as the talents... they come nicely curled... use mascara to "glue" the talent's lashes to the "supplemental" ones... hey it works... ya gota do whata gota do...  btw... i never curl after mascara is applied... gets uky inky stuff on the curler... 99% won't touch it... gota use brush cleaner... like I’m not going near talents eyes with an ugly dirty curler…

I know, ya don’t wanta spend $ for bands… guess what u can spray em with 99% and recycle… go green…
Dec 03 08 07:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cynthia ORourke
Posts: 1,435
New York, New York, US


ArtistryImage wrote:
I know, ya don’t wanta spend $ for bands… guess what u can spray em with 99% and recycle… go green…

Huh?  Are you saying people replace the bands after each client?  Who does that?

Dec 03 08 08:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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TheMakeupMan
Posts: 3,744
Los Angeles, California, US


I curl before and after mascara . also I pump the lash curler a few times (at least 3 times ) and seems to help becouse I can't honestly think of a time when I could'nt get lashes to curl .

I think the trick might be pumping the lash curler , I never really see other makeup artist do that .
Also I use to do lash perms , they works great and if this a big prob for someone you work regularly with , you might want to consider it an option , then you dont have to use a lash curler

Also just a thought
but lash curlers really dont curl , they put a bend like a check mark if you r just curling the base
thats also why its good to pump out a little , it creates more of a curl
Dec 03 08 09:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rachel Lisa
Posts: 2,975
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


TheMakeupman wrote:
I curl before and after mascara . also I pump the lash curler a few times (at least 3 times ) and seems to help becouse I can't honestly think of a time when I could'nt get lashes to curl .

I think the trick might be pumping the lash curler , I never really see other makeup artist do that .
Also I use to do lash perms , they works great and if this a big prob for someone you work regularly with , you might want to consider it an option , then you dont have to use a lash curler

Also just a thought
but lash curlers really dont curl , they put a bend like a check mark if you r just curling the base
thats also why its good to pump out a little , it creates more of a curl

That's it! You're perming my lashes!

Dec 04 08 01:38 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
chart
Posts: 2,363
Los Angeles, California, US


TheMakeupman wrote:
I curl before and after mascara . also I pump the lash curler a few times (at least 3 times ) and seems to help becouse I can't honestly think of a time when I could'nt get lashes to curl .

I think the trick might be pumping the lash curler , I never really see other makeup artist do that .
Also I use to do lash perms , they works great and if this a big prob for someone you work regularly with , you might want to consider it an option , then you dont have to use a lash curler

Also just a thought
but lash curlers really dont curl , they put a bend like a check mark if you r just curling the base
thats also why its good to pump out a little , it creates more of a curl

what do you mean by "pumping"...describe smile

Dec 04 08 05:01 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtistryImage
Posts: 2,706
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Courtney Hart wrote ”what do you mean by "pumping"...describe”

It means to squeeze the curler together (gently and repeatedly) start the curling from the inter-most lash attachment point then release and move outward between each squeeze… otherwise you end up with a visible “kink” in the lash… seriously…

I was trained to press hold (2 seconds) release, move outward press hold (2 seconds) release move outward… you get the idea…

Really works well… makes for a gentle feminine sweeping curve…

Hope this helps…
Dec 04 08 06:16 am  Link  Quote 
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Alyson Taylor
Posts: 115
Greenville, South Carolina, US


I have also used a spoon to curl the lashes as well. You just flip it upside down and place it on the lashes close to the root. Hold the spoon firmly with your index finger and use your thumb to curl the lashes on the spoon with a rolling motion. If you use all of the pressure rolling off of the spoon and not the lashes, it doesn't hurt.

This works very very well for those straight lashes and for people that are terrifed of eyelash curlers.

I recommend trying it on yourself until you get the hang of it and explaining to your client what you are doing before, so they don't get freaked out. If they are still a little weary then demonstrate on yourself and then maybe let them try on themself.

BE SURE TO CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL BEFORE USING ON YOUR CLIENT IF YOU DEMONSTRATE ON YOURSELF! SAFETY FIRST smile
Dec 04 08 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Ms BSK
Posts: 886
Brooklyn, New York, US


Alyson Taylor wrote:
I have also used a spoon to curl the lashes as well. You just flip it upside down and place it on the lashes close to the root. Hold the spoon firmly with your index finger and use your thumb to curl the lashes on the spoon with a rolling motion. If you use all of the pressure rolling off of the spoon and not the lashes, it doesn't hurt.

This works very very well for those straight lashes and for people that are terrifed of eyelash curlers.

I recommend trying it on yourself until you get the hang of it and explaining to your client what you are doing before, so they don't get freaked out. If they are still a little weary then demonstrate on yourself and then maybe let them try on themself.

BE SURE TO CLEAN WITH ALCOHOL BEFORE USING ON YOUR CLIENT IF YOU DEMONSTRATE ON YOURSELF! SAFETY FIRST smile

This sounds interesting and I'm all about new ways of doing things...but I don't understand. When you day down are you talking about putting the spoon part down or the handle part down? Also how do you roll it with your thumb? Doesn't that hurt? I want to try it on myself, but I think I'll blind myself. Forgive me for being slow...I rode the special bus today.

Dec 04 08 08:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Cynthia ORourke
Posts: 1,435
New York, New York, US


Belinda Keatts wrote:

This sounds interesting and I'm all about new ways of doing things...but I don't understand. When you day down are you talking about putting the spoon part down or the handle part down? Also how do you roll it with your thumb? Doesn't that hurt? I want to try it on myself, but I think I'll blind myself. Forgive me for being slow...I rode the special bus today.

You use the edge of the bowl of the spoon and pressing the lashes against that edge you draw them out with gentle pressure.  Sorta like curling ribbon.  It's actually really gentle but you have to be comfortable getting your thumb up close to your client's eye.  It gives a really gentle, natural curl and it a great alternative for people with sensitive eyes or who are scared of curlers.

Dec 04 08 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
E E S
Posts: 768
Los Angeles, California, US


ArtistryImage wrote:
Courtney Hart wrote ”what do you mean by "pumping"...describe”

It means to squeeze the curler together (gently and repeatedly) start the curling from the inter-most lash attachment point then release and move outward between each squeeze… otherwise you end up with a visible “kink” in the lash… seriously…

I was trained to press hold (2 seconds) release, move outward press hold (2 seconds) release move outward… you get the idea…

Really works well… makes for a gentle feminine sweeping curve…

Hope this helps…

Ah...I call it crimping...I do about 3 or 4 towards the tips.

Dec 04 08 10:00 am  Link  Quote 
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