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Model Sarah
Posts: 38,726
Columbus, Ohio, US


Xeris - Dwight wrote:

"average of around $100 an hour"

My experience in negotiations and his apparent lack of the same result in VERY different conclusion.

Sigh.

I'm not going to explain this to you as you are arguing to be arguing. I'll let him defend himself.

Dec 28 08 04:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Boho Hobo
Posts: 25,351
Portland, Oregon, US


theda wrote:
I've accepted less than $50/hour a couple of times over the years, but only when the photographer was really amazing and images were part of the deal. Or for drawing/painting work.
Stella K wrote:
Of course I've done that too. I've done it for students w/ no income as well. But I want to see a model whose normal rates are under $50/hour.

There are a number whose range $25-$40 around college campuses is my experience.  I suspect the reason is that it pays more than being a barista or is a good addition to being a barista but it's not a life's mission in being a model.

The exception are those who are agency (level) models or those shooting adult work and then of course it's a different price range as well as usage.

Dec 28 08 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JLC Images
Posts: 11,559
Phillipsburg, New Jersey, US


ColinR wrote:
It's funny how there are more photographers posting in this than models, I'm sure if he was looking for photographers viewpoints he'd most likely post in the photographers forum.

The problem is that the models actively answering here are top models that can get what they are asking.  Photographers such as myself are not trying to take food out of models mouths, but merely give other options that might have suited the OP a little better.  The OP is not going to get a model like Anna or Sarah for TFP, but I am sure there are some women out there he could practice on so when he does work with a real model he will be a little more prepared and able to utilize what they have to offer a little better.

Dec 28 08 04:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Thornton Harris
Posts: 1,684
San Francisco, California, US


Model Sarah wrote:

Yikes.

Please dont put me into some sort of elite group. I am not. I negotiate and i'd appreciate it if you read my posts saying I do so before putting me on a sarcastic "higher ground" of models who happen to have good work as if I am better than anyone else.

This is absurd at best.

I don't think I said that at all.

You are one of the few art models frequenting this site, whose work actually appears in venues other than this site. Your name appeared in my response to Colin, because I am aware of your relationship to him.

And since when has it been an insult to be called "so, so awesome" and to acknowledge that you are worth more than the standard model?

Dec 28 08 04:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Ashley Graham
Posts: 26,793
Los Angeles, California, US


My usual rates are 60-70/hr but im not as great as Sarah or Anna are. I'll also negotiate based on what the assignment is. It just depends on who you ask how experienced they are. I don't think any of these rates given have been too much due to their experience and such
Dec 28 08 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Model Sarah
Posts: 38,726
Columbus, Ohio, US


PHT wrote:
I don't think I said that at all.

You are one of the few art models frequenting this site, whose work actually appears in venues other than this site. Your name appeared in my response to Colin, because I am aware of your relationship to him.

And since when has it been an insult to be called "so, so awesome" and to acknowledge that you are worth more than the standard model?

Do you really use the terms; "so so awesome" in everyday terms to describe someone's artwork? using me as a chess piece or symbol in a response is just silly.

If you do, I apologize as you were being serious. It sounded to me as if you were saying I were in some higher ground, that I didnt negotiate and didnt offer reasonable rates and I corrected you. As you are wrong.

Dec 28 08 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,345
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


Stella K wrote:
The OP did not specify art nudes.

Trade was not even mentioned in the OP. I'm sure he already knows he can with some models but he would have to hire some others and would like to know what the going rate is. Maybe the OP doesn't want the pressure of having to "deliver" which is part of the equation when doing a trade. None of our business, he asked a question about rates. Plain and simple.

And since the question was about rates, if there are models whose nude rates are under $50/hour, I'd LOVE to see them post here. I'm sure many photographers would appreciate it too. Seriously.

I agree, the OP did not signify art nudes and I imagine the average pay for erotic nudes or pornography is more.  The question was about pay and I simply offered some data about that which is less subjective than any single person's experience.  I have offered no personal opinions on what I feel she may be able to charge, just offered some information to aid her in her decision making.

I certainly agree that the many models who do art nudes for trade are not as vocal about it as those who are able to charge, but I don't find that surprising.  I also wish those models spoke up more in threads concerning pay.  It would yield a more balanced discussion.

Dec 28 08 04:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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V I C T O R I A
Posts: 13,974
Los Angeles, California, US


I base my rates mostly on usage. I have a lower rate for images used strictly for portfolio/promo purposes and a higher rate for people who want a commercial release. And of course, I sometimes negotiate based on other factors as well. I sometimes offer a lower rate to students or artists/painters. I sometimes trade with people for amazing concepts or people with amazing talent. I sometimes trade for travel, lodging, wardrobe, and the like.

Nothing is set in stone, things are often up for negotiation depending on a number of factors, but the general rate for experienced nude models tends to be at least $75/hr upwards. I'd say $100/hr is about standard. (Again, this is in MAJOR MARKETS and for EXPERIENCED models)
Dec 28 08 04:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 18,967
Chicago, Illinois, US


In todays economy more models might consider working at all vs. watching
Oprah or Dr. Phil.  I have a friend who worked for Cisco and was laided off.
This guy was making over $40.00 per hour and now works for $12.00.  He's
got a family and doesn't have the luxury of being able to turn a paying job down.
I'm not saying that nude models should accept any amount offered but if most
of your days are spent watching Judge Judy and your getting offers of pay but
just lower then what your used to then still consider accepting some. 

On a personal note:  I've paid several MM models around $25.00 per hour for
nudes.
Dec 28 08 05:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68,937
Orlando, Florida, US


Hey Sarah, if you want to book some paid work in Orlando I'll provide lodging, meals, transportation, and good Shiraz while you're here in exchange for a couple hours shooting time.  big_smile
Dec 28 08 05:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Doug Jantz
Posts: 4,025
Tulsa, Oklahoma, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
I only do them on a TFCD basis

KM

Yep.  I have never paid a model for anything.  I have been paid, but not vice versa.  smile

Dec 28 08 05:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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The Main Man
Posts: 4,135
Sacramento, California, US


I love forums because it gives everyone a chance to brag about how good they are and how much they are worth smile
Dec 28 08 05:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eryn G
Posts: 6,457
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I can't believe someone came in here telling Anna how "real models" work.

ZOMG.

I think a lot of photographers get bent out of shape because models get paid, a lot of the time when they don't.

sad
Dec 28 08 05:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lucas Chapman
Posts: 6,129
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Miss Anna Evans wrote:

We will have to agree to disagree...I'm pretty cheap as far as experienced freelance models go, and damn cheap compared to an agency girl. smile

But you are NOT an agency girl, so you can't even use that comparison.
Thats like me saying "Hey, I'm a lot less expensive than Ken Marcus".

Dec 28 08 05:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V I C T O R I A
Posts: 13,974
Los Angeles, California, US


The Main Man wrote:
I love forums because it gives everyone a chance to brag about how good they are and how much they are worth smile

Or how they would/have/will not EVER pay anyone.....EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

roll

Dec 28 08 05:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V I C T O R I A
Posts: 13,974
Los Angeles, California, US


Eryn M Gombos wrote:
I can't believe someone came in here telling Anna how "real models" work.

ZOMG.

I think a lot of photographers get bent out of shape because models get paid, a lot of the time when they don't.

sad

Wordage. Becomes more of the same ole models vs. photographers ranting.

Dec 28 08 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lucas Chapman
Posts: 6,129
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Miss Anna Evans wrote:

No, it shouldn't be. I work with entirely too many people to worry about other people's cash flow. I worry about my own.

You should really consider some business training then.  How do you think this country got into the financial mess we are in?  If your clients aren't financially viable, you won;t be for much longer.

Dec 28 08 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rebecca Lawrence
Posts: 876
New York, New York, US


This is hilarious because the OP was, afterall, "What would most models charge...?"

Obviously an open invitation for photographers to talk about how they don't pay.
Dec 28 08 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stella K
Posts: 2,173
New York, New York, US


Lucas Chapman wrote:

But you are NOT an agency girl, so you can't even use that comparison.
Thats like me saying "Hey, I'm a lot less expensive than Ken Marcus".

No, it's really not. There are hundreds of agency girls in the U.S. There's only one Ken Marcus. See the difference?

Dec 28 08 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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V I C T O R I A
Posts: 13,974
Los Angeles, California, US


Hurricane Rebecca  wrote:
This is hilarious because the OP was, afterall, "What would most models charge...?"

Obviously an open invitation for photographers to talk about how they don't pay.

lol Seriously.

Dec 28 08 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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bijan studio
Posts: 1,846
TARZANA, California, US


On mm, models either get paid or do TFCD.
All model have different rates. Just ask.
Outside mm, I get paid $150-$200 per session or hour to do nude.
Dec 28 08 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Model Sarah
Posts: 38,726
Columbus, Ohio, US


Hurricane Rebecca  wrote:
This is hilarious because the OP was, afterall, "What would most models charge...?"

Obviously an open invitation for photographers to talk about how they don't pay.

Yes and I am keeping a close eye on those that said this.


For future reference.

Dec 28 08 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Aussiekylie
Posts: 743
Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia


J C ModeFotografie wrote:
Whatever you can negotiate.

yeah.... someone hit the nail on the head.

Dec 28 08 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rebecca Lawrence
Posts: 876
New York, New York, US


Model Sarah wrote:

Yes and I am keeping a close eye on those that said this.


For future reference.

Me too.  I frequent the zillions of forums that end up like this and make lists.

Dec 28 08 05:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lucas Chapman
Posts: 6,129
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Eryn M Gombos wrote:
$50/hr clothed
$100/hr nude

end of story. Prices can vary, but not usually.

Anna you fucking rock, thanks for speaking for us models.

when you can offer a lot, you deserve a lot.

Just bear in mind, as good or better can be had for less.. or for free.
I admire those with conviction, but there are many here without a clue.

Dec 28 08 05:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lucas Chapman
Posts: 6,129
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Georgia Jen Kraus wrote:

i didn't read all the responses, but this one makes the most sense to me...
if it's known that the usage will end up being for a profit for the photog, he/she should pay the model.  it's the stand up thing to do...of course that doesn't mean anything to some photogs....  hmm

Actually, it was mentioned before BY a photographer, in that unless the photographer can recoup his cost, there is no reason to pay.

Dec 28 08 05:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lucas Chapman
Posts: 6,129
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


The Main Man wrote:
And I hope I dont get too much SHIT for this, But I think that if a Model is reading this thread right now, they should kinda get the idea of how much Photographers will be willing to pay for them to do nudes and start learning more about it. Rather than make an Ass out of themselves and just make up a worthless Dollar Amount

Get shit for this?
You should be getting applause..  Finally someone with a sense of reality!

Dec 28 08 06:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lucas Chapman
Posts: 6,129
Scottsdale, Arizona, US


Stella K wrote:

No, it's really not. There are hundreds of agency girls in the U.S. There's only one Ken Marcus. See the difference?

I hope Arnie Freytag (sp? never sees this post!

Oh.. don't know who that is?  Ask Ken, I'm certain he does.

Dec 28 08 06:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,345
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


Hurricane Rebecca  wrote:
This is hilarious because the OP was, afterall, "What would most models charge...?"

Obviously an open invitation for photographers to talk about how they don't pay.

Knowing what photographers will or will not pay, can help one determine what they should charge.   

But I think you are right about the recent trend.   It is intersting that the most vocal participants in rate threads tend to be models who charge more than average and photographers who only offer trade.

Dec 28 08 06:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
club Jeska
Posts: 3,847
Riverside, California, US


I am just listing what i charge.. but it is kind of irrelevant since i live in California.
I charge 125 for topless and implied nudity (top and bottom)
with a two hour minimum.
I sign a full release.
Dec 28 08 06:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Left-handed Photography
Posts: 179
Richmond, Virginia, US


Depends on where you are and what the market bares (pun intended).

NYC, LA and Miami rates are going to be a eleventy billion dollars more than a secondary market like Richmond. A model doing nationally published work is going to charge more (and should) than a newbie who's starting out. Factor in hotness, the XXX factor and modesty that's negotiable (let's play The Price is Right).

Personally, I find it crass and opportunistic when a model jacks up her rates when she drops her pants. Makes nudity seem dirty and whorish.
Dec 28 08 06:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sabrina Maree
Posts: 9,488
West Hollywood, California, US


Everything depends on usage. For photographers I believe in or concepts I love, I'll shoot them free.

For images for sale (NOT for internet content) I shoot at around $100 hourly.

Not everyone will like their quoted rate. Sometimes I'll negotiate sometimes I won't, I turn down more offers than I accept though.

It's NEVER set in stone though. Take an honest evaluation of your own work, compare it to what is in the model's portfolio, consider what you are offering (MUA/stylist, maybe the model can take home something she wears, etc), how much travel she has to do, and whether she needs you or you need her. That's really the bottom line.
Dec 28 08 06:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Boho Hobo
Posts: 25,351
Portland, Oregon, US


Hurricane Rebecca  wrote:
This is hilarious because the OP was, afterall, "What would most models charge...?"

Obviously an open invitation for photographers to talk about how they don't pay.
Bodyshots Photography wrote:
Knowing what photographers will or will not pay, can help one determine what they should charge.   

But I think you are right about the recent trend.   It is intersting that the most vocal participants in rate threads tend to be models who charge more than average and photographers who only offer trade.

Just an aside, but I don't think that every photographer saying they do trade only are saying like they're all that.

In my case for instance, I think I  must come from a different artistic cultural perspective, that is most of the models I work with, have all come from the same local, and typically artist community, meaning most are artists themselves and so trades aren't something negative, insulting perjorative or the like.   It's two people respecting what the other has to offer and acting on it.

This whole us vs. them, posturing, is really something I never came into contact with until I came up internet photography/model sites.

Dec 28 08 06:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rebecca Lawrence
Posts: 876
New York, New York, US


Patchouli Nyx wrote:

Hurricane Rebecca  wrote:
This is hilarious because the OP was, afterall, "What would most models charge...?"

Obviously an open invitation for photographers to talk about how they don't pay.

Just an aside, but I don't think that every photographer saying they do trade only are saying like they're all that.

In my case for instance, I think I  must come from a different artistic cultural perspective, that is most of the models I work with, have all come from the same local, and typically artist community, meaning most are artists themselves and so trades aren't something negative, insulting perjorative or the like.   It's two people respecting what the other has to offer and acting on it.

This whole us vs. them, posturing, is really something I never came into contact with until I came up internet photography/model sites.

GOOD point!  To clarify my post, I can easily spot the differences in a ego-driven philosophy against paying and an art-driven one and don't consider it to be inherently negative for photographers to not offer compensation.

Dec 28 08 06:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Model Sarah
Posts: 38,726
Columbus, Ohio, US


Hurricane Rebecca  wrote:

GOOD point!  To clarify my post, I can easily spot the differences in a ego-driven philosophy against paying and an art-driven one and don't consider it to be inherently negative for photographers to not offer compensation.

I second this.

Dec 28 08 06:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Alejandra Hernandez
Posts: 1,731
Los Angeles, California, US


$1,000 per hour smile
Dec 28 08 06:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
My shots
Posts: 23
SHAW A F B, South Carolina, US


A lot of opinions here on the subject of pay. I'm willing to pay models. We all want to make money. I was looking for a price to offer and not be looked at as a jerk.
Dec 28 08 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Porboy Gallery
Posts: 163
Los Angeles, California, US


Patchouli Nyx wrote:

Just an aside, but I don't think that every photographer saying they do trade only are saying like they're all that.

In my case for instance, I think I  must come from a different artistic cultural perspective, that is most of the models I work with, have all come from the same local, and typically artist community, meaning most are artists themselves and so trades aren't something negative, insulting perjorative or the like.   It's two people respecting what the other has to offer and acting on it.

This whole us vs. them, posturing, is really something I never came into contact with until I came up internet photography/model sites.

I lost track of what this subject was about after viewing your port...such wonderful work..

Oh, right how much do models charge to take off their clothes...In my opinion...It depends on:

1. Your location (girls in LA might charge $100 an hour but girls in Nebraska might charge $25 an hour)

2. Experience of model (a new model trying to build her port may do it for free or charge only a small hourly rate where is a model who has a ton of nude may charge more if the concept doesnt add to her port)

3. How broke the model is (times are hard now...rates everywhere are dropping)

4. How good the photographer (in the models eyes) is who is paying (If a model loves your work and just wants to be a part of your collection you may pay nothing)

my random thoughts, opinions and blah, blah, blah...happy New Years folks!

porboy

Dec 28 08 07:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RobertGaliano
Posts: 1,094
Gulfport, Mississippi, US


my rates stay the same , whether the model wants nude or not...

of course if she shows up in a BMW or Benz, my rates sre "subject to change without notice"...
Dec 28 08 07:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Knomad One
Posts: 1,146
Eureka, California, US


A lot of art models are very reasonable. 

Sure, you can spend a lot; but at top dollar, you're paying for one or more of several things:  1) experience, which is good; 2) demand... if everybody wants to shoot with her, she can gradually  raise rates until she finds a balance; 3) ego, which is generally not good, and usually these are relative newbies selling a strip show and they aren't necessarily good models; 4) name recognition, which matters to some people but not others.  Another thing that can factor in is geographic location, the supply/demand equation varies a lot from place to place.

The first thing is to define your goals for the shoot, and base decisions from that.  One option is to post a casting call and offer a modest amount, maybe $25-30/hr (typical art school sitting rates in many cities) and see if it draws the type and quality of models you seek.  If not, then you have some decisions to make.
Dec 28 08 07:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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