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Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


OK, need some help and some experienced model input.  What is THE best way to get the closest, smoothest pubic area?   Wax/shave, whatever.  I'd like to hear from models that have thicker hair, as it seems that models with finer hair have less of a problem presenting a 'cleaner cut'.

I've had to photoshop out stubble, clean body makeup off of bikinis provided, on and on.   How do I best put it to models and maybe offer advise to less experienced models and make it known that I desire a clean, smooth area in the pubic area so as not to draw unwanted attention to the area for the wrong reasons, and not have to photoshop (extensively) that area.

I'm sure photogs that shoot any type of nudes may have the same issues......maybe even some models that are looking for some tips??
Apr 04 06 12:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Harry Young
Posts: 744
Los Angeles, California, US


OK, here is some info on pubic-shaving which I came across ...
---warning: I do NOT know personally if the following is -safe- AND -works-!
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Posted By: Dennis Leviticus  (152.163.207.208)
                                              Date: 8/21/01 08:47
                            In Response To: Shaved, trimmed, or natural? (Laura Marie)

      As long as we have this subject up, here is a tip for anyone that does shave, and has the above problems....

      Corn Starch Talc Powder.

      Get a fresh Gilette Sensor™ Razor, and douse the area DRY, with the Talc. Then Shave, yes DRY. Almost 90% of the
      women I know that have done this, have completely reduced razor burn, get zero bumps, and no ingrown hairs, and gets a
      super close shave. When I was told about this, I started using this method to shave my face. It works.

      I got into the subject with a Physical Therapist friend of mine. I mentioned that GI's are instructed to shave with cold water
      to reduce the chance of jungle rot. She then told me about Talc, and that she shaves using only talc and razor. I relayed
      this info to my Roommate, (a go-go dancer) and she used this tactic to complete success. So I started telling others about
      it. To date, one woman, who has never found a successful method, shaved that way to no beneficial effects, another still
      got razor burn, but every other dancer I told about it, uses it, to great satisfaction. I do Publicity work for three agencies, so I
      talk to a plethora of dancers.

      Practice on your legs first, then armpits. Once you get the hang of it, you are set.

      BLUENOTES: Why hasn't anyone invented a razor with interchangeable sized blades for fine detail work?

      Other tips: Preparation H Reduces swelling of the Eyes, Visine gets the red out of Pimples (temporarily) and if anyone tries
      this next one...ewwwwww Morning Urine (your own please) dries out pimples fast. If you have to shave in the shower still,
      try turning the water on cold, as that will reduce your burn too. Freeze your butt off...but less burn.
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Apr 04 06 12:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Particle9
Posts: 14
Navarre, Florida, US


haha wow! what an in your face question. granted I would like to know myself, but damn buddy... haha

I wonder if its the amonia in the urine that dries them out...
Apr 04 06 12:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


Thanks for the in-depth answer Harry, but the real reason we GIs are instructed to shave with cold water is usually because there is no hot water.....and we usually shave out of our helmets.

I am interested in model's answers, however, since they are the 'end user', so to say.....And more importantly, how do I convey to the models that I desire the sooper smooth look........I think once I tell them that, the advice on how to achieve it would come in handy, since I don't know myself.
Apr 04 06 12:31 am  Link  Quote 
Model
The Elfling
Posts: 68
Austin, Indiana, US


Waxing.  Not done at home, but done by a professional.  At-home kits are murder.  I would recommend having it done the day before the shoot, so that any redness or irritation will go away by the time you shoot.

Waxing pulls out the root of the hair, so it takes a few days for that to grow back, where as shaving only clips the hair off at skin-level, so the instant the hair starts growing back it's visible.
Apr 04 06 12:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Craig Thomson
Posts: 13,462
Tacoma, Washington, US


Mikhail Image wrote:
OK, need some help and some experienced model input.  What is THE best way to get the closest, smoothest pubic area?   Wax/shave, whatever.  I'd like to hear from models that have thicker hair, as it seems that models with finer hair have less of a problem presenting a 'cleaner cut'.

I've had to photoshop out stubble, clean body makeup off of bikinis provided, on and on.   How do I best put it to models and maybe offer advise to less experienced models and make it known that I desire a clean, smooth area in the pubic area so as not to draw unwanted attention to the area for the wrong reasons, and not have to photoshop (extensively) that area.

I'm sure photogs that shoot any type of nudes may have the same issues......maybe even some models that are looking for some tips??

This has never been a problem.

Makeup on bikinis? that's just wrong

Apr 04 06 12:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


It just seems that some models have it down in any nude or teeny bikini shot, whereas others there's a 'shadow', that to me, is undesireable.

Just looking for the most often tried and true methods.....
Apr 04 06 12:46 am  Link  Quote 
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J C ModeFotografie
Posts: 14,718
Los Angeles, California, US


Thanks to all of you - this is highly useful information!

JAY carreon
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Apr 04 06 12:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


Any MModels for input here?
Apr 04 06 12:56 am  Link  Quote 

Posts: 7,666


Brazilian.

No bumps, won't grow out up until 3 months. wink

A little uncomfortable since someone has to do it for you.

Smoother than a baby's bottom.
Apr 04 06 01:00 am  Link  Quote 
Model
E the model
Posts: 1,569
London, Ontario, Canada


I wish I knew.

Waxing seems just so painful! I know sooner or later, I'll have to get it done, but it scares me like heck.

I wouldn't trust shaving it off in my case. My natural hair colour is dark brown and my skin is very light, so you'll se the hair starting to grow back about 2-3 days later and even when it's just done, you can still see the hair under the skin. That's a problem I have with my legs, but it's subtle enough only I notice it. And it angers me. But then, I'm scared of waxing and I don't have the money for laser.
Apr 04 06 01:05 am  Link  Quote 
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lusid
Posts: 53
New York, New York, US


i have thick, dark hair. lots of it. it's genetics.

sometimes it seems no matter what i do there's a shadow- shaving, since it cuts off at the skin, leaves a touch of dark visible underneath if i'm pale. not a damn thing to be done about that. a tan helps, but i don't want skin cancer either.

waxing- i did brazilians for years. while the look was much smoother, i could only shoot for two weeks until it started growing out- and i had to let it grow out so it could be done again. hair has to be a certain length to stick to the wax. i've also been left with lots of ingrowns to deal with, and those aren't sexy at all. because the hair grows back more fine it's more likely to get ingrown. yes, i exfoliated- i tried everything.

laser- because of my skin color and hair color, i'm having the beast lasered off. it should help with the ingrowns (they'll get to heal and fade) because it kills the follicle dead. so far (i've had two of my six sessions so far) it seems to be helping A LOT. everything that's grown back thus far is so fine it's hard to see OR feel, and that makes me happy. the ingrowns come out much more easily and the marks left are fading. as I have more sessions less hair, period, should grow back. really, if you have problems with ingrowns and exfoliating isn't helping, this is about all you can do- it works best with pale skin and dark hair. no good for blondes, since the laser relies on the contrast between hair and skin to target the area. in the end, it doesn't cost any more than i was spending on waxing (i got a package deal for underarm & brazilian).
Apr 04 06 02:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Craig Thomson
Posts: 13,462
Tacoma, Washington, US


I still want to know how you got makeup on bikinis?
Apr 04 06 02:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


I guess the model used body makeup on lower abdomen and upper thigh area to cover a shadow...............well, makeup came off and stained the white bikini

Since it's the beginning of a new day........any other input here, models?
Apr 04 06 05:59 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jessica_Rose
Posts: 92
Clemson, South Carolina, US


shave the day of the shoot and use a gell made to prevent razor burn afterwards.
Apr 04 06 06:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RED Photographic
Posts: 1,458


As a former athlete, current photographer and user of image manipulation software...

Shave.  Shave regularly, and the skin will toughen up and you'll be able to shave every day without rashes, bumps, etc.  If your hair is very dark and you appear to have a shaving shadow, don't worry.  Most photographers should be able to remove the obvious areas in photoshop.
Apr 04 06 06:18 am  Link  Quote 
Model
shimmer
Posts: 680
Arlington, Texas, US


Don't shoot so close up on her hoo haa haa that you can count the hairs?

No seriously...

Waxing.

Or a good shave with a good razor and a body gelee aftershave.

But waxing is better.
Apr 04 06 07:15 am  Link  Quote 
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Natasha Atomic
Posts: 62
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


I wax ... it hurts (suggest taking some advil before you go)
-A good esthetic will explain the procedure
-make sure your not allergic to anything/or have a disese, yeast infection etc
-trim the long hairs
-apply wax
-apply strip
-pull
-add pressure (mine cold compresses it)
-when finished she will examine with a magnafying glass(well the large on, im not too sure what the bugger is called) and pluck out the strays
this may seem a little weird becasue she is looking straight at your chooch
-then talc.

then she'll check my pulse to make sure i'm still alive after all that ripping.

I am planning on going with the laser treatment after seeing the note above, since i'm also very dark and thick as well .... dahm genetics

I hope that helps in your decision making.
Apr 04 06 09:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Frank Tammen
Posts: 203
Sacramento, California, US


I am an expert in female cookie shaving, and, for a small fee, will give PERSONAL instruction to smokin' hot models at an MM discounted rate!

You can reach me at the bottom of the Gene Pool....(gurgle...gurgle).
Apr 04 06 09:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


I also am an expert, but it could be a little uncomfortable to offer the model I'm shooting this service prior to the shoot.  I'd like them to show up fully prepped and ready to go.
Apr 04 06 10:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael Rothman
Posts: 777
Oak Park, Illinois, US


The Talc thing worked when I used to shave with an electric razor.  Right after a shower so the BEARD was soaked and the talc drys the skin and allows the razor to slide smoother. I really got CLOSE shaves.   

M
Apr 04 06 11:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Idaho
Posts: 1,271
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


As a veteran of Military service and someone who suffers from ingrown hairs quite a bit - I'd say the best way to treat a shaved area is like a gigantic open wound. You need to disinfect the area and minimize irritation. In her book Jenna Jameson recommends neosporin - I've been using antibiotic creams on my face and have seen some minor improvement.
Apr 04 06 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
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Akaii
Posts: 175
Manassas, Virginia, US


I think waxing works the best... Aside from laser removal.. Which as stated above... Light haired people cannot really do.

If you are afraid of waxing and don't want to do laser removal, there is a good option out there for shavers...

Try "Coochie" ! haha it sounds funny... but is the best at a smooth shave. Back when i used to shave i used it religiously and afterwards was very smooth. You can find it at any local "novalty" shops (aka - porn/sex/toy shops)
It also is the best conditioner for my head hair that ive ever used!
Apr 04 06 11:25 am  Link  Quote 
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La Perle Le Paon
Posts: 29
Portland, Oregon, US


In the middle-east we are taught that either after puberty, or before you get married (depending on how liberal or strict your family is) that as a girl we are to remove all body hair from the neck down.
The easiest way is by using a homemade wax called halawa.
The recipe:
1 cup sugar
2 Tbsp lemon juice
2 Tbsp water

popsicle sticks
strips of cloth (old T-shirt or towels work too)

Mix ingredients in a saucepan and boil for 8-15 minutes. The mixture will become like a soft ball. Pour it into a container, refrigerate, and allow to cool until warm. Test it on your hand first so not to burn yourself. Lightly talc the area you wish to wax. Pull skin taught and spread wax using a popsicle stick or something similar. Place cloth over and pull off quickly against the grain of the hair.
The cloths can be re-used by washing in hot water.

If wanting to shave, using conditioner and cold water works best. Make sure your razor is dry, and place mineral oil or a thin layer of petroleum jelly on the blade after use. According to an S&M Mistress I know, if shaving, use something thick, like neosporin, or even diaper ointment on skin afterward and leave for 1/2 hour. Wash off. The emolliency of the ointments helps keep skin supple, soft and prevents bumps and ingrown hair.

When photographing nudes, or even clothed (if it's going to matter), have a policy about it. Be upfront. No room for embarrassment, awkward situations or conversation.
Apr 04 06 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


Coochie DOES sound funny.........hair debilitator or shaving cream??  what?
Apr 04 06 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


Bueller??
Apr 04 06 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
E the model
Posts: 1,569
London, Ontario, Canada


Ok, I've got a question. Just how much does a brazilian (I'm talking everything off here) hurts? I've been wondering for a while. Those Weaked Weasels bikinis sure are cool. I'll ask my boyfriend to get me one for my birthday. A shame they're not very useful here in Montreal.

I never got waxed, so I don't know how it is. But I work part-time at a hospital, so I can get something for the pain if needed. I just need to know the strenght wink
Apr 04 06 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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ReallyRandy
Posts: 460
Hollywood, Florida, US


Use The Green Wax!
It doesn't hurt as much and if you do it every month it doesn't hurt any more than pulling a band aid off.

If you're a wuss, and must use a razor, make sure the razor AND the water is cold! Thats the key, COLD WATER!

Ask any porn star and they'll agree
Apr 04 06 01:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


Yeah, those Wicked Weasel bikinis sure are hot.........probably a topic for another forum altogether..........but you would definitely need a good wax/shave to wear one.
Apr 04 06 01:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Trevor Meeks
Posts: 81
Sonoma, California, US


yeah... dont shave. wax is the way to go, according to my girlfriend. good times.
personally, i couldnt stand having my pubes ripped out, but she claims that it isnt that bad.
Apr 04 06 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mikhail Image
Posts: 99


I guess it would depend if you have fine hair or thicker hair.....I don't know.  My wife won't even try it, which is how I became expert at the close shave....;0
Apr 04 06 01:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
E the model
Posts: 1,569
London, Ontario, Canada


I've been very reluctant to shave down there because I'm very fair skinned and my hair is coarse and dark. You can see it underneath my skin on my legs. I just can't get a tan, and beside, I like fair skin. I was also afraid of the stubble and how itchy it seemed to be (I was told it was hell). I don't know if I'm afraid for nothing, or it waxing if definitely a better way off for someone like me.

I guess it is.

So, anyway, do you think one can handle the full brazilian the first time or should I ask for something more modest?

it's quite expensive, and I don't want to start doing it at home (I'll chicken out, be scared of hurting myself and won't want to pull the strip). Beside, I was told to go see a pro for the first times at least.
Apr 04 06 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lillith Leda
Posts: 663
Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa


Waxing for sure, the only problem with waxing is you have to let the hair grow out and even waxing can cause bumpy skin.

The main problem I have encountered whilst being in the US is that your razor blades are as close as, if not completely, blunt!!!! I'm absolutely flabbergasted at this, and I only use men's razors, Gilette to be precise, and have bought blades from various different shops, all with the same conclusion. You may as well throw it out after one use, and feel like two days growth right after shaving.

That's the one thing I can't wait to have when I go back home, a smooooooooooth shave!!!!
Apr 04 06 01:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lillith Leda
Posts: 663
Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa


Eloise wrote:
it's quite expensive, and I don't want to start doing it at home (I'll chicken out, be scared of hurting myself and won't want to pull the strip). Beside, I was told to go see a pro for the first times at least.

Definitely do not do it at home, yes you need to have it done professionally, yes it hurts like hell, yes you can damage your skin if you don't know what you're doing, but waxing would more than likely be a better option than shaving if you have coarse hair.

Apr 04 06 01:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
crazycreativity
Posts: 3
Cobourg, Ontario, Canada


The trick to shaving well is to PLAN PLAN PLAN.

First of all- let the hair grow out for about 5 days. The mistake people make most is shaving when the hair is not long enough, it really hurts the delicate skin. Make sure it is not too long that you need to clip it first... but long enough that your razor doesnt scape the skin between the thick hairs.

Second- exfoliate the area with a gentle scrub to free any hairs still trapped under the skin from the last time you shaved (nothing too harsh... look for "gentle face scrubs" that do not contain anti-acne ingregients as this may dry the area)

Third- the NIGHT before your shoot, using a new blade and great shaving cream (I find mens shaving mousse's work the best because they are made for thick beard hair) shave in the opposite direction the hair grows. Make sure to pull the skin tight as you shave and try to pass over each area only once.

Fourth- Apply a cream to the area after drying it with a towel (pat dry, dont rub). Different creams work best for different people. Moisture is key... I use body butter from The Body Shop. Creams containing a hydrocortisone reduce redness and swelling... but I do not know how safe they are for use in this area. I use a cortate cream sparingly on individual red spots. There are creams on the market especially made for reducing bikini irritation... never tried them, but they ARE out there.

Hope that helps! Works for me, ive never waxed cause im scared!! LOL

M
Apr 04 06 05:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Jessica Steele
Posts: 370
Los Angeles, California, US


Seiko Cleancut.
Takes less than two minutes a day- you can take it to shoots- and it's super close and pain free.
Apr 04 06 05:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dragon Lily Photo
Posts: 523
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Just my 2 cents worth but.... do not shave it all!!!!  Trim and manicured but leave some of the hair!  There are so many models with shaved pubic areas, it is refreshing to see some hair once in a while!
Apr 04 06 05:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
theda
Posts: 21,711
New York, New York, US


Mikhail Image wrote:
It just seems that some models have it down in any nude or teeny bikini shot, whereas others there's a 'shadow', that to me, is undesireable.

Just looking for the most often tried and true methods.....

A lot of that has to do with hair and skin color and texture.  I have very fair, sensitive skin and very dark, thick hair. My skin won't stand for being shaved too frequently and often will use body make-up to cover 5 o'clock hoo-ha shadow.

Exfoliate before shaving.  Use a new razor blade (because, as Lilith said, the blades in the US are already pretty dull). Use conditioner as shaving cream.  Use deodorant on the area immediately afterwards to prevent bumps.

Apr 04 06 05:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


theda wrote:
5 o'clock hoo-ha shadow.

im not a doctor damn it, could you please, not use medical terms?....

Apr 04 06 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ThefStopsHere
Posts: 2,387
Olympia, Washington, US


thank you all for the excellent advice.  I can't wait to shave for my next shoot!
Apr 04 06 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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