MMDesign wrote:
Someone asked me if I was getting any on the side and I told them it'd been so long since I got any that I didn't know they'd moved it.

What they meant, was on the side of the bed.

If you say no, that means you were in the middle.

MMP HH wrote:

The only time I see this happen is when you listen and dont bring an escort. If a photog doesnt want you to have one, then dont work with them. I incourage those I work with to bring the person they feel most safe and comfortable around therefore making better photos.

And I know male photogs who are the biggest pervs but keep it professional, the people you got asked by arent professional so dont work with them.

So you don't trust yourself to not attempt to molest a model?

Ashley Gander wrote:
I guess all I'm saying is bad people exist everywhere....Trust must be earned and I am VERY cautious about who I'm shooting with...(especially if I have to travel.)

I agree.  In fact, I have:
a) had an "escort" put a gun in my face and rob me after a shoot.
b) seen a model BEATEN by her escort because she "acted too sexy" in front of the camera
and
c) had to forcibly remove an escort who put his hands on a model other than the one who brought him.
d) known photographers to have equipment stolen or smashed oe be assaulted by escorts.

Admittedly this's rare... but then so are cases of photographers getting out of hand with models.
Point being it's a double standard for you to say you can't trust ME but then demand I trust you AND another stranger.
BOTH sides need to be cautious, but in general I am more likely to have references & a good reputation than the models who work with me, much less their escorts.

Ashley Gander wrote:
If it looks to good to be true a lot of the times it is too good to be true..

Which is why due diligence (homework, as you say) is FAR more important.

Ms CHRISTINE wrote:
You really need to be careful who you work with. I've never had a photographer try to sleep with me. You cannot give them an open window, at all. Some women tend to say things men take to another level.

Keep it professional at all times. If they ask, always say you're involved with someone... NEVER give an open window. That's my advice to you. Good luck.

Unless the photographer is young and hot and has money and speaks Italian, then you'll be throwing yourself at his feet.

Please.

Lumigraphics wrote:

I can ask everyone at DEAC to proposition you...

PASS.

Have you seen some of the people who come to DEAC?  *cringes*

There is only one photographer at DEAC who I would let proposition me...thats my bf. 

SLE Photography wrote:

Ashley Gander wrote:
I guess all I'm saying is bad people exist everywhere....Trust must be earned and I am VERY cautious about who I'm shooting with...(especially if I have to travel.)

I agree.  In fact, I have:
a) had an "escort" put a gun in my face and rob me after a shoot.
b) seen a model BEATEN by her escort because she "acted too sexy" in front of the camera
and
c) had to forcibly remove an escort who put his hands on a model other than the one who brought him.
d) known photographers to have equipment stolen or smashed oe be assaulted by escorts.

Admittedly this's rare... but then so are cases of photographers getting out of hand with models.
Point being it's a double standard for you to say you can't trust ME but then demand I trust you AND another stranger.
BOTH sides need to be cautious, but in general I am more likely to have references & a good reputation than the models who work with me, much less their escorts.


Which is why due diligence (homework, as you say) is FAR more important.

Very valid point

Ashley Gander wrote:
Hello all!!
Let me just start off by sayin yes this can truely be an issue from time to time....I for one am happily married with a three year old gorgeous little boy yet have still been propositioned by a couple of photographers....(No...I did NOT let it happen.) This whole thing happened when I was VERY new to modeling and jumped at every opportunity I got for a shoot. Same cheesy pick-up lines..."You are my favorite subject right now..." "Your body is amazing I just can't get u off my mind." "How bout dinner and a drink?" "When can we get together and shoot again?" ALL of these pretty little words pretty much fall under the category of I WANT you....Needless to say I never shot with any of these people again (Its no one I have on my page either.) Let me just go on to say we are all human. We all have feelings desires and urges....What separates the pros from the ametures is the ability to keep those feeling and urges in check....No matter what....It goes the same way for us as models though...We must hold ourselves in high enough reguard to be able to say no in these situations....A true professional even in a moment of weakness will not drop you like a bad habbit for saying no...I promise you this...Respect yourself and you will be respected...Also...I won't shoot anywhere w out having an escort with me....This tends help keep things a bit more tame as well.  Do your homework b4 u shoot...

Hmm. I've had photographers ask me to shoot again. I never got the "I WANT YOU" vibe.

I even want to shoot with them again

Oh, and my last photographer bought me lunch, and we had a beer together.

Rachel Jay wrote:

In Laura's defense, she couldn't really move... the sheets were stuck all weird on her side of the bed

hahaha

You had her pinned and let her slip right through your fingers.

-Jen- wrote:

PASS.

Have you seen some of the people who come to DEAC?  *cringes*

There is only one photographer at DEAC who I would let proposition me...thats my bf. 

:weep: there goes my plan for the weekend

Ex Voto  Studio wrote:
Years ago..I knew a guy named Kevin that was a "photographer"...but he was funny so I kept him around.   He said after he shot his subject (not always models... but females) he would ask them "Wanna do it?".   After I was done laughing I asked him how many said yes or moved forward.  When he told me the # I stopped laughing!  I was amazed!  Never to this day have.. nor do I intend to.. but if both are willing and both are adults...why not.

Divide it in half and that's the real number.

Lora Weaver Photography wrote:

Divide it in half and that's the real number.

No, that's the rule for figuring penis size.
For number of models slept with, divide by 3.

SLE Photography wrote:

No, that's the rule for figuring penis size.
For number of models slept with, divide by 3.

Damn,  I've slept with only 33% of 1 model.

Lumigraphics wrote:

hahaha

You had her pinned and let her slip right through your fingers.

Julian Monaco wrote:
I'm so attractive, women--and men--just can't get enough of me.  It's so damned irritating.  I could politely thank them and decline, but instead I display dramatic condescension as proof of how hot I am.

RIGHT!!
Me too!

Ex Voto  Studio wrote:
Years ago..I knew a guy named Kevin that was a "photographer"...but he was funny so I kept him around.   He said after he shot his subject (not always models... but females) he would ask them "Wanna do it?".   After I was done laughing I asked him how many said yes or moved forward.  When he told me the # I stopped laughing!  I was amazed!  Never to this day have.. nor do I intend to.. but if both are willing and both are adults...why not.

That's the point.

I see this being no difference than any other area of social interaction.

When people are in a social situation there is always the possibility of people propositioning other people about hooking up.

Sure it would be wonderful if everyone could segregate their personal feelings and keep everything "professional" but that would be a stupid expectation. BOTH Models and Photographers are attracted to each other. So if they consent to let things go beyond just that relationship, who are we to judge them?

If someone would like to see if their eye's desire is also interested, really, what is the harm?  Politely decline if you aren't interested. No biggie...really. Now if you've stated this and the person persists then that's another story. In that instance, they are showing disrespect and need to be checked.

Julian Monaco wrote:
I'm so attractive, women--and men--just can't get enough of me.  It's so damned irritating.  I could politely thank them and decline, but instead I display dramatic condescension as proof of how hot I am.

Lumigraphics wrote:
hahaha

You had her pinned and let her slip right through your fingers.

:floor:

Ashlynne Fox wrote:
Rozetta, I had to write this because I feel the same way.  I only had a few photographers, 10-15 in my life, but all but 1 made me feel uncomfortable.

Of the many, many models I've worked with, most have been great, and they have zero stories of photographers even trying to flirt with them. I know it happens, but I just don't get it and have never heard of it ouside of MM forums.

Ashlynne Fox wrote:
Rozetta, I had to write this because I feel the same way.  I only had a few photographers, 10-15 in my life, but all but 1 made me feel uncomfortable.  One kept trying to feed me drinks, and get more provocative, others with the comments and making me feel creepy.  Although, none have text me, to have dinner or drinks.  One told me don't bring anyone with you.  He said all guys do is make you the model, feel uncomfortable.  There was a special on channel E ( I believe), that a guy posing as a photographer was luring women, and bottom line, he tried to rape, and I believe he killed one.  I work in an office, with alot of guys, and I am used to comments, but I hate when a photographer doesn't act PROFESSIONAL!!  So don't feel bad about the post, and maybe it wil lhelp others that are new out.

I think that bad experiences happen. I also think that if you go into a shoot on the defensive and EXPECT unprofessional leering and impolite comments, then you will hear them in even the most innocent remarks.

Why someone was feeding you drinks at a shoot, I dont understand...

(alcohol + hot lights + nude skin + pricey equipment = disaster)

SLE Photography wrote:
Point being it's a double standard for you to say you can't trust ME but then demand I trust you AND another stranger. BOTH sides need to be cautious, but in general I am more likely to have references & a good reputation than the models who work with me, much less their escorts.

This is so true. You're a genious.

I've always thought, if a model can keep track of me and who I've worked with, I'd like a way to keep track of who they bring along. But once again in reality, very few models I work with try to bring an extra person. Some late models. Some no shows... and a mom shows up now and then. But mostly this stuff is very rare for people who are actually here for work. I don't know who these models are working with, but if their stories are true, maybe it's time to find something else to do if you feel threatened at every single photoshoot. Why do you keep doing it if it's so aweful?

LV Aphrodite wrote:
guys always will be guys and will always...

Don't generalize.

Many, if not most male photographers are completely professional...
...just like most models.

Julian Monaco wrote:
I'm so attractive, women--and men--just can't get enough of me.  It's so damned irritating.  I could politely thank them and decline, but instead I display dramatic condescension as proof of how hot I am.

sorry meant to quote this one earlier

MinisterC  wrote:

Don't generalize.

Many, if not most male photographers are completely professional...
...just like most models.

Sorry,ok lets say some guys....better?

LV Aphrodite wrote:
Sorry,ok lets say some guys....better?

Yes, thanks.

I've had a few (several) models ask why I don't flirt. I found this odd considering these kinds of thread topics that pop up every week from some newbie model.

Ashlynne Fox wrote:
Rozetta, I had to write this because I feel the same way.  I only had a few photographers, 10-15 in my life, but all but 1 made me feel uncomfortable.  One kept trying to feed me drinks, and get more provocative, others with the comments and making me feel creepy.  Although, none have text me, to have dinner or drinks.  One told me don't bring anyone with you.  He said all guys do is make you the model, feel uncomfortable.  There was a special on channel E ( I believe), that a guy posing as a photographer was luring women, and bottom line, he tried to rape, and I believe he killed one.  I work in an office, with alot of guys, and I am used to comments, but I hate when a photographer doesn't act PROFESSIONAL!!  So don't feel bad about the post, and maybe it wil lhelp others that are new out.

Anyone with the camera is a photographer now?   I must assumed that those camera phone must really work.

MinisterC  wrote:

Yes, thanks.

I've had a few (several) models ask why I don't flirt. I found this odd considering these kinds of thread topics that pop up every week from some newbie model.

yeah that is weird,why would you wanna flirt with the models? Its always better to keep it professional if you wanna make a good name as a serious photographer/model,my opinion.