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Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years?
Mar 10 09 02:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Merlinpix
Posts: 7,096
Farmingdale, New York, US


This  topic  has  been  done  to death.

www.modelmayhem.com/p.php?thread_id=58807
Mar 10 09 03:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BlackWatch
Posts: 3,825
Cleveland, Ohio, US


I'd like to add some tattoos to some of our models...

Different strokes for different folks dude!
Mar 10 09 03:04 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Loli Anna
Posts: 2,233
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I think you timed this to be at a time of day when everyone is sleeping in the US. lol
Mar 10 09 03:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kevin Russo Photography
Posts: 2,257
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


I think the tattoos are just as much art and craft as the photography, I personally do not have any tattoos but I enjoy the work of tattoo artist as well as photographing tattooed models.

Kevin Russo -Photographer
Mar 10 09 03:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Perhaps. Early on in my career I studied medicine. Do you know what tattoos do to the body (beside permanently scarring them)? They end up in the kidneys where the dye can wreak havoc besides the risk of Hep C.

And do models realize what these drawings will look like in years to come when their skin sags and wrinkles? It's a shame, really.
Mar 10 09 03:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith Allen Phillips
Posts: 3,431
Pensacola, Florida, US


What's a shame is you making it your business when it clearly isn't.
Mar 10 09 03:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Kevin Russo Photography wrote:
I think the tattoos are just as much art and craft as the photography, I personally do not have any tattoos but I enjoy the work of tattoo artist as well as photographing tattooed models.

Kevin Russo -Photographer

Hey Kevin, You're right of course. My point is I work in the commercial business where most of my clients DO NOT want tats. Who is pushing models to get them?

Mar 10 09 03:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Keith Allen Phillips wrote:
What's a shame is you making it your business when it clearly isn't.

Thanks Keith. I was just venting my frustration after spending hours retouching a model. True, it's none of my business. It just doesn't seem logical to me.

Mar 10 09 03:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kevin Russo Photography
Posts: 2,257
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:

Hey Kevin, You're right of course. My point is I work in the commercial business where most of my clients DO NOT want tats. Who is pushing models to get them?

Why are you or your clients casting Tattooed Models then spending time removing them, cast non tattooed models. I am obviously missing something.

Mar 10 09 03:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Keith says it's none of my business. Wrong. It is my business. If I didn't have to spend hours retouching skin I do more important things that earn money.
Mar 10 09 03:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Malloch Caldwell
Posts: 2,538
Hastings, England, United Kingdom


Tattoos like many things are a fashion item. They have an appeal to certain people and not to others. It is a matter of choice. For my personal work I prefer to work with models with a clear skin, most of my clients (cosmetics) also prefer this. I will not spend time in post production getting rid of a tattoo that would not fit the theme of the shot when I can employ a model with none. As I said above all a matter of personal choice.
Mar 10 09 03:20 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Senator Awesomepants
Posts: 5,798
Greenville, Indiana, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
Hey Kevin, You're right of course. My point is I work in the commercial business where most of my clients DO NOT want tats. Who is pushing models to get them?

I don't think models are being "pushed" to get them. They probably wanted a piece of art that meant alot to them on their body. I know that's why I have my 2 tattoos, both of which are easily hidden(ok the one on the wrist isn't as easy but a bracelet over it or a watch works wonders) and neither has bothered any of the people I've worked with here(I do commercial work here sometimes.). Of course, if it does bother them I simply won't get the job.

Or they were young and impulsive and got one that they will regret, that can happen. But usually it's the other way.

Mar 10 09 03:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith Allen Phillips
Posts: 3,431
Pensacola, Florida, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:

Hey Kevin, You're right of course. My point is I work in the commercial business where most of my clients DO NOT want tats. Who is pushing models to get them?

No one is pushing them to get tattoos. Some may be doing it for all the wrong reasons and will likely regret it in the future. Some know exactly what they're doing and why and won't have any regrets in the future. My question would be if you have commercial client that don't like tats then why are you/they booking models with tattoos? There are plenty with and without. Hire what you need. And if the client insists on a certain model but wants her tats removed tell them it's gonna cost.

Mar 10 09 03:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian Ziff
Posts: 4,105
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
Keith says it's none of my business. Wrong. It is my business. If I didn't have to spend hours retouching skin I do more important things that earn money.

Listen.  I have a practical solution.

Send me all the retouching jobs that require tattoo removal and I'll do them gladly.

You can then focus your energy on those more important things.

Mar 10 09 03:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


I know it's about choice. My client wanted a specific model for a clothing shot. She had tats. Nothing I could do but post it out. Model's port didn't say she had tattoos and she never mentioned them to my AE. Surprise when the clothes came off!
Mar 10 09 03:22 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
Hi, It seems that lately I've been more busy retouching models tattoos out than actual time on the shots. Most of my clients don't like the rubbed in ink on skin. I just wonder why it's so popular now. Don't models realize what they'll look like in a few years?

You said it all in your title: "I don't get tattoos."

Mar 10 09 03:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith Allen Phillips
Posts: 3,431
Pensacola, Florida, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
Keith says it's none of my business. Wrong. It is my business. If I didn't have to spend hours retouching skin I do more important things that earn money.

Sorry... still none of your business. Why are you hiring models with tattoos if you're going to have to cover them up? And if you are having to cover them up, why aren't you charging for that time(assuming you're being forced to shoot these models because the client wants them)?

Mar 10 09 03:23 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
I know it's about choice. My client wanted a specific model for a clothing shot. She had tats. Nothing I could do but post it out. Model's port didn't say she had tattoos and she never mentioned them to my AE. Surprise when the clothes came off!

Did you ever ask, in advance?

Mar 10 09 03:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Brian Ziff wrote:

Listen.  I have a practical solution.

Send me all the retouching jobs that require tattoo removal and I'll do them gladly.

You can then focus your energy on those more important things.

Hey Brian, thanks, I will! Been a fan of your stuff for years. You're an amazing photographer.
Yeah, "the more important things" are making money. Got burned on this job with the retouching.

Mar 10 09 03:24 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Senator Awesomepants
Posts: 5,798
Greenville, Indiana, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
I know it's about choice. My client wanted a specific model for a clothing shot. She had tats. Nothing I could do but post it out. Model's port didn't say she had tattoos and she never mentioned them to my AE. Surprise when the clothes came off!

See, what I don't like about that is the not mentioning them. You're supposed to. All jobs I get through my agency and without them, the client and photographer are fully aware that I have two small tattoos. It's something that does need to be mentioned.

Mar 10 09 03:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Lauren WK wrote:

Did you ever ask, in advance?

Yes, of course. She said she "forgot."

Mar 10 09 03:25 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
Yes, of course. She said she "forgot."

You should have sent her home.  That's not an example of tattoos getting in your way... it's an example of a model who isn't upfront about what she comes with.

Mar 10 09 03:25 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Senator Awesomepants
Posts: 5,798
Greenville, Indiana, US


Lauren WK wrote:

You should have sent her home.  That's not an example of tattoos getting in your way... it's an example of a model who isn't upfront about what she comes with.

Exactly.

Mar 10 09 03:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Keith Allen Phillips wrote:

No one is pushing them to get tattoos. Some may be doing it for all the wrong reasons and will likely regret it in the future. Some know exactly what they're doing and why and won't have any regrets in the future. My question would be if you have commercial client that don't like tats then why are you/they booking models with tattoos? There are plenty with and without. Hire what you need. And if the client insists on a certain model but wants her tats removed tell them it's gonna cost.

Hi Keith, I'm in Singapore for this shoot and the choice was limited.

Mar 10 09 03:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith Allen Phillips
Posts: 3,431
Pensacola, Florida, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:

Hi Keith, I'm in Singapore for this shoot and the choice was limited.

Still... not a tattoo problem, but a dishonest model problem.

Mar 10 09 03:30 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
Hi Keith, I'm in Singapore for this shoot and the choice was limited.

I still don't know why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than the model who lied to you....

Mar 10 09 03:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Elisabeth West wrote:

Exactly.

I must work on a different planet. Imagine the client sitting there with the MUA and hair person all booked and I cancel the shoot? I followed Nike's tagline and just did it. Otherwise I would have lost a few thousand bucks.

Mar 10 09 03:31 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Loli Anna
Posts: 2,233
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Lauren WK wrote:

I still don't know why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than the model who lied to you....

+1

Mar 10 09 03:31 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
I must work on a different planet. Imagine the client sitting there with the MUA and hair person all booked and I cancel the shoot? I followed Nike's tagline and just did it. Otherwise I would have lost a few thousand bucks.

So, you made a few thousand bucks.  Why are you complaining?

Mar 10 09 03:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Lauren WK wrote:

I still don't know why you're complaining about tattoos, rather than the model who lied to you....

Oh sorry. When we did casting we rejected about 8 models that had tats, so the choices were getting thin.....

Mar 10 09 03:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith Allen Phillips
Posts: 3,431
Pensacola, Florida, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:

I must work on a different planet. Imagine the client sitting there with the MUA and hair person all booked and I cancel the shoot? I followed Nike's tagline and just did it. Otherwise I would have lost a few thousand bucks.

MUA could have concealed it enough to at least make your post work a little easier?

Mar 10 09 03:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Lauren WK wrote:

So, you made a few thousand bucks.  Why are you complaining?

Ah, because we spend a lot of that money in retouching.

Mar 10 09 03:33 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
Oh sorry. When we did casting we rejected about 8 models that had tats, so the choices were getting thin.....

If your choices were running thin after rejecting eight models, the job must not have been very appealing to them....

Mar 10 09 03:33 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:
Ah, because we spend a lot of that money in retouching.

If you were the retoucher, why did you have to spend money?

Mar 10 09 03:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Keith Allen Phillips wrote:

MUA could have concealed it enough to at least make your post work a little easier?

Keith, don't get me started on the make-up artist!

Mar 10 09 03:34 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:

Keith, don't get me started on the make-up artist!

Then, maybe you should be complaining about make up artists, rather than tattoos....

Mar 10 09 03:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Stedman
Posts: 191
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Lauren WK wrote:

If you were the retoucher, why did you have to spend money?

Lauren, time is money. I run a studio with four designers. We didn't count on that amount of post so we lost other jobs.

Mar 10 09 03:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith Allen Phillips
Posts: 3,431
Pensacola, Florida, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:

Keith, don't get me started on the make-up artist!

smile
I know. Sometimes everything goes to shit and there's nothing left to do but bitch about it. Better luck next time.

Mar 10 09 03:36 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lauren WK
Posts: 1,961
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Stedman  wrote:

Lauren, time is money. I run a studio with four designers. We didn't count on that amount of post so we lost other jobs.

If you're so busy that you lost jobs because of having to edit out a tattoo, I don't think you're doing too badly....

Mar 10 09 03:36 am  Link  Quote 
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