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Dominique Jackson
Posts: 1,116
BRONX, New York, US


1) Commercial/Promotional/Trade show/Shoe Modeling. (Agency + Freelance).
2) Acting (Agency + Freelance).
3) Full-Time.
May 20 09 08:29 am  Link  Quote 
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E_R_E_K_A
Posts: 2,531
Kihei, Hawaii, US


Caperucita Roja wrote:
The only short models that I know who are earning a good, constant amount of money are all art nude models, and they work their asses off. Every day it's a shoot.

If you're working or at college at our height, best stick to that and keep modeling as a fun hobby that might give you a nice bit of extra bob on the side to buy yourself something nice with smile

Well...I am a full time model....at 5'2. So I can disagree completely. Look at my travel schedule and tell me it can't be done.

I do fashion, commercial, stock, art nude, all but playboy style or beyond...

Non agency represented. I work hard and it does pay...been doing this for years and have made it work..

May 20 09 08:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 36,211
Boston, Massachusetts, US


The Li Model wrote:
please list 1) your main modeling source of income (promotional/trade shows, commercial work for an agency, paysite, artistic nude modeling -- for an art class or for a photographer, porn,...?!) and 2) if it's your full-time income
Then the rest of us will know how to get rich quick, hehe smile

I am 5'1 and do Fine Arts Nude, Artistic, Erotica, Glam and Glam Nude, as well as figure study/classroom sitting for artists and figure study groups. I have been actively working for three, almost four, years.

You will never "get rich quick" as a model or nude model. There is no such thing as easy money, and there isn't a lot of money to be made modeling, contrary to popular opinion - even with nude and fetish work. Many areas of the country, unless you live in an urban center, you (the universal "you," not you specifically) will never receive offers for paid work - regardless of the style you're shooting, because there is just no market. I was a working and active nude model in the Southeast for almost two years before I received any offers at all for paid work. I did get paid for figure study sitting in art schools, but the $15/hour I made off that was generally just enough to buy some gas, and pay for lunch after the session. For photography work there, I was lucky to get my gas reimbursed. I moved to the Boston area, and now I get plenty of paying work, but it doesn't come without tireless networking, openness to working with many styles, and commuting- lots and lots of commuting. As a short model - as a model in general - how well you do will depend a lot on where you live.

I shoot 2-4 days each week, and work a part-time conventional job on the weekends. While 80% of my *very modest* income comes from modeling, some months I do not make enough through modeling, and have to use the income from the part-time job to cover bills and travel expenses.

I feel like I live in my car, drive hundreds (sometimes) of miles each week, spend my "days off" (some weeks I don't have any days off) networking: checking casting calls, making phone calls, answering emails, networking. I spend 1.5 - 2 hours most days at the gym to keep my body good-looking enough to get plentiful work. I know that because I am so short, if I start letting my body go, my bookings are likely to taper off sharply. Like many people who become more professional at modeling, this has become my life. There is limited time for social life activities, or other leisure activities. I live it and breathe it.

This is the reality of being a full-time short model. I don't have the luxury of having an agency to book work for me, so it's all up to me, and it gets exhausting sometimes. The money to be made from it - if you live near large cities - is adequate to keep you afloat, though it is highly unlikely to make you rich, or even well-off. If that's what you want, then you are better off pursuing a more lucrative career - but if you have boundless energy, and willingness to push yourself, you will find that there is a place for short models -- Be aware that it's limited and it often takes years to find out exactly where you fit.

May 20 09 08:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Dekilah
Posts: 4,880
Detroit, Michigan, US


I have been paid very few times, but I only just started in March. I do have a few paid shoots planned, so I'm including those in what I'm saying here.

I've been paid/will be paid the majority of what I've made modeling so far doing nudes or implied, or whatever you want to call me being fully or partly naked. However, the purpose and photographers for these shoots have all been different (which may be of interest). One is the owner of a very ritzy portrait studio. He mostly shoots babies, but also does boudroir for brides to be and the like. He wants a model to come in to help with his marketing (good photos to show potential customers). A few are hobby photographers who want the photos for their port. What they actually are is men with more money than they need who want to take pictures for one reason or another that has nothing to do with making themselves money. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just telling you. And a few are photographers who do need the work for their port, gallery submissions, etc. One man is actually an apparently successful gallery exhibitor and sells his work on a regular basis (art nudes).

I've also been paid to do a lingerie/implied/swimsuit/clothed feet themed (not sexual fetish) shoot. And then I've been paid to do combinations of different types including nude.

As for my income, yeah, well, that's the not so funny thing. I make about $450 a month, working 20 hours a week at my part time job. With my current rates and the current level of interest I've been seeing from the responses, I could do 4 or 5 shoots a month and be making that amount just from modeling. Do I really plan for this? Hell no. My area isn't that good, and even if it happened one month, it wouldn't be consistent. Unless I start having the ability to travel, I'm probably going to run out of "customers" soon.
May 20 09 09:03 am  Link  Quote 
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AD
Posts: 4,259
New York, New York, US


Rachel Jay wrote:
My regular paycheck comes from my full-time "real world" job.  Not modeling.

+1

May 20 09 10:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Image K
Posts: 23,365
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Ereka Marcelino wrote:

Well...I am a full time model....at 5'2. So I can disagree completely. Look at my travel schedule and tell me it can't be done.

I do fashion, commercial, stock, art nude, all but playboy style or beyond...

Non agency represented. I work hard and it does pay...been doing this for years and have made it work..

She didn't say that "it can't be done"...

She said that the only ones that she knows of are nude models.

No one said that it can't be done.

May 20 09 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 36,211
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Dekilah wrote:
I could do 4 or 5 shoots a month and be making that amount just from modeling. Do I really plan for this? Hell no. My area isn't that good, and even if it happened one month, it wouldn't be consistent.

This is very smart.

May 20 09 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
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P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Rachel Jay wrote:
My regular paycheck comes from my full-time "real world" job.  Not modeling.

Yep.
But I sometimes make some monies from shooting nudes and fetish.

Of course, I'm not posting this with my nude/fetish account... *facepalm*

May 20 09 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Jingersnap
Posts: 184
London, England, United Kingdom


Sources of income:

1. Day job
2. Martial arts instructor

I get one or two paid jobs a month or so for modelling. But considering most of the cash for shorties comes from nude work, adult work or glamour, and I do none of them, this can only ever be a hobby realistically...

Jin smile
May 20 09 11:35 am  Link  Quote 
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MandaMoon
Posts: 1,457
Carpinteria, California, US


I constantly get questions from regular people asking if I make a lot of money modeling or making comments that i must... every time I hear it I giggle a little and say nope, I pay for a lot of my shoots as well as my wardrobe and styling. People always look at me like I'm crazy and they're confused as to why I wouldn't be getting paid. I have to explain what it takes to be a decently paid model and then they get it.
May 20 09 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Laura BrokenDoll
Posts: 3,550
Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy


PYPI FASHION wrote:
Every time I see a short model thread, someone comes in and talks about how short, non agency models can make a good living doing all kind of non-nude, non-glamor work. Why are those models not posting in this thread?

Because I don't think they exist.


I am mainly a student and keep on modeling as a good part-time job that gives me the money to pay my extras and sometimes my holidays, but I shoot mainly nudes.

In order to make a living out of it you must:
- be incredibly beautiful
- be incredibly talented
- be willing to get naked and pose for art classes, fine art nudes, bodyscapes
- be willing to shoot fetish/bondage
- be willing to shoot softcore for paysites
- networking like crazy

May 20 09 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 36,211
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Broken Doll wrote:
In order to make a living out of it you must:
- be incredibly beautiful
- be incredibly talented
- be willing to get naked and pose for art classes, fine art nudes, bodyscapes
- be willing to shoot fetish/bondage
- be willing to shoot softcore for paysites
- networking like crazy

I don't really think you have to be incredibly beautiful to make a living out of it, but you do have to be completely open to working with concepts and material that tend to freak other people out, primarily comfort with nudity and sensuality.

May 20 09 04:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brown Barbie
Posts: 553
San Francisco, California, US


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Sockpuppet Studios
Posts: 7,862
San Francisco, California, US


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May 20 09 07:10 pm  Link 
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Sockpuppet Studios
Posts: 7,862
San Francisco, California, US


Broken Doll wrote:

Because I don't think they exist.


I am mainly a student and keep on modeling as a good part-time job that gives me the money to pay my extras and sometimes my holidays, but I shoot mainly nudes.

In order to make a living out of it you must:
- be incredibly beautiful
- be incredibly talented
- be willing to get naked and pose for art classes, fine art nudes, bodyscapes
- be willing to shoot fetish/bondage
- be willing to shoot softcore for paysites
- networking like crazy

Not quite, you just have to work your ass off.
I never modeled for softcore paysites unless Zivity counts...
And I did VERY little hardcore bondage ... only when it pleased me.

May 20 09 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rebecca Lawrence
Posts: 876
New York, New York, US


Broken Doll wrote:

Because I don't think they exist.


I am mainly a student and keep on modeling as a good part-time job that gives me the money to pay my extras and sometimes my holidays, but I shoot mainly nudes.

In order to make a living out of it you must:
- be incredibly beautiful
- be incredibly talented
- be willing to get naked and pose for art classes, fine art nudes, bodyscapes
- be willing to shoot fetish/bondage
- be willing to shoot softcore for paysites
- networking like crazy

No bondage or paysites here.  Emphasis should, however, go to networking like CRAZY.  Also, not just a willingness to get naked, but complete devotion to a lifestyle that is primarily naked.

May 20 09 08:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Model Sarah
Posts: 38,892
Columbus, Ohio, US


I make my living modeling nude for artists/photographers/sculptors/etc.

But I dont do this solely for money and it really irritates me that people are fueled by this and have no artistic goals at all. To each their own I suppose and good luck with that.
May 22 09 07:43 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura BrokenDoll
Posts: 3,550
Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy


Sockpuppet Studios  wrote:
I never modeled for softcore paysites unless Zivity counts...

Is your photoset softcore?
Then you do it.
And when I say "softcore" I mean solo erotica.

May 22 09 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
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JasmineBowen
Posts: 485
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


1) Commercial, glamour, etc, whatever you want to call that modeling that short people do ;P. Non nude.
2) Promo work
3) Acting.
These three do indeed make up my full time life. I am agencied (I think I just made up that word) as a commercial model, and with a talent agencies, as while as with several non-exclusive promo agencies. All that and networking/freelancing makes the living, but I agree you do have to really work hard.
May 22 09 03:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Grace R
Posts: 2,779
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


1) Art nude. But then, not everyone pays for art nude either. I've just been lucky to have got work with artists who either make money from selling prints etc or earn enough money from their day job to have some funds to pay their models. Also non-photographic nude for life classes etc is often paid, but even then the rates aren't always especially high.

2) My full-time income is from my full-time job. If your approach to modelling is that you want to make a living from it then chances are at some point you might have to compromise (artistically, for example, or doing shoots that you might not be comfortable with) in order to pay the bills. There just isn't usually a huge amount of money to be made and personally I'd rather stick to doing the shoots that appeal to me and treating the money as a bonus. I'd work with my regular artists for free because they're brilliant, it's just quite nice that they appreciate my efforts enough to pay me.

Just an extra point - is it really THAT much easier for tall models to make money? Seems to me that a lot of available work is TF*, and we all have to network our asses off to make any money at all.
May 22 09 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marc Rosebeck
Posts: 2,281
Albany, New York, US


PYPI FASHION wrote:
Every time I see a short model thread, someone comes in and talks about how short, non agency models can make a good living doing all kind of non-nude, non-glamor work. Why are those models not posting in this thread?

Why do you care ?

May 22 09 07:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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PYPI FASHION
Posts: 36,332
San Francisco, California, US


Marc Rosebeck wrote:

Why do you care ?

I am curious by nature. I also wonder about Bigfoot, the Lochness monster, flying saucers, and alien abductions.

May 22 09 08:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Samantha I
Posts: 1,577
London, England, United Kingdom


You should ALL be inspired by this model:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/258946

Her stats were listed when I added her as friend but I can tell you now: she is SHORT and a FT MODEL.

I believe ALL things are possible if you believe and work at it, regardless of whether you meet the "requirements" or not. The only thing is, shorter models have to be extra special/unique/stand out from the crowd.
May 23 09 08:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Sarah Ruest
Posts: 34
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I do commercial modeling and acting (signed to an agency in Toronto).

Most commercial models make more money than fashion models IF you get booked for jobs with big brands.

Otherwise, I shoot fashion/editorial for TF smile
Jul 09 13 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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sasweets
Posts: 404
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


When I market myself it's a couple hundreds for a day but if I let others do it, it's more $$$ for a day. It's way better for me when someone else takes over marketing. XDD

* It's my experience for Montreal not Ottawa.. Only doing tfp work if it really works for my print portfolio.
* Oh and it's all been mua's needing my face for beauty work, I only started to do a bit of commercial work now.
Jul 09 13 04:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,017
New York, New York, US


The sense I'm getting from what most of the ladies have said here is pretty much what I found as an actor. It's a great way to live, but it's a lousy way to make a living.
Jul 09 13 05:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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GeorgeMann
Posts: 1,148
Orange, California, US


PYPI FASHION wrote:
Every time I see a short model thread, someone comes in and talks about how short, non agency models can make a good living doing all kind of non-nude, non-glamor work. Why are those models not posting in this thread?

Probably because most work for cash and posting cash income on the internet is not smart.

Jul 09 13 05:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


I get most of my work from photographers who want to do lingerie or bikini with me. It's what I'm doing for money these days. Of course, that's also massively helped by those who take me for commercial stuff, which almost always pays more than the average photographer working on a personal or portfolio project.

smile
Jul 12 13 04:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Miss Photog
Posts: 287
VALLEY VILLAGE, California, US


most of my paid modeling gigs are fine art nude shoots. smile
Jul 12 13 04:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nicole Michelle
Posts: 1,463
Albany, New York, US


I'm 5'3" and I don't get regular paid modeling work. However I do work as a promotional model for different brands and with that I get paid 10-25 an hour and on a regular basis. I love it. It's fun and a good source of money!
Jul 14 13 10:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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