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StephenEastwood
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All shot last week, so its not a final firmware.  All shot with speedlites, some a mix of the speedlite and ambient light in the 3200 iso shots.

http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/amy_7t/

comparisons:
http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/iso_comp_7/



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Sep 03 09 07:19 am  Link  Quote 
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Modstudios
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Beautiful Work
Sep 03 09 07:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Sean Baker Photo
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Thanks for posting these Stephen.  Have you by chance run any of the RAW files through the various NR engines to see how well they respond?  Also, what are your thoughts on the AF module?  It seems like a considerable upgrade for the line, though RG was pretty hard on it for the focus tracking.
Sep 03 09 07:24 am  Link  Quote 
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StephenEastwood
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and some range from the speedlites I shot these with the camera and speedlites using the built in as a master:

they can be seen larger here http://stepheneastwood.com/stuff/stefaniya1/2  (after the first one below, the eariler ones were with 5d2 and speedlites using the TT5's)

(and this was more playing around test, so yes I know the wedding dress is wrinkled as can be, I will have it pressed before an actual shoot)


http://stepheneastwood.com/stuff/stefaniya1/2/THUMBNAILS/1_0221.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/stuff/stefaniya1/2/THUMBNAILS/1_stefaniya0718.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/stuff/stefaniya1/2/THUMBNAILS/1_0708.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/stuff/stefaniya1/2/THUMBNAILS/1_stefaniya0833.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/stuff/stefaniya1/2/THUMBNAILS/1_img_0847bw.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/stuff/stefaniya1/2/THUMBNAILS/1_0878l.jpg
http://stepheneastwood.com/stuff/stefaniya1/2/THUMBNAILS/1_0656.jpg
Sep 03 09 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
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saiello
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Ypsilanti, Michigan, US


holy crap, your images at 3200 are MUCH better then ones I've seen floating around out there. 

These are all at 3200?  If so this maybe my new wedding camera.

Thanks a bunch,
Steven
Sep 03 09 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
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Taverner Photography
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Pasadena, California, US


StephenEastwood wrote:
All shot last week, so its not a final firmware.  All shot with speedlites, some a mix of the speedlite and ambient light in the 3200 iso shots.

http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/amy_7t/

comparisons:
http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/iso_comp_7/



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Using briese lighting?  Wow...

Sep 03 09 07:27 am  Link  Quote 
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StephenEastwood
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Sean Baker wrote:
Thanks for posting these Stephen.  Have you by chance run any of the RAW files through the various NR engines to see how well they respond?  Also, what are your thoughts on the AF module?  It seems like a considerable upgrade for the line, though RG was pretty hard on it for the focus tracking.

nothing in the link of still life has had any processing, those are straight from camera. 

The shots of amy I did not use any NR, they were converted from raw to tif 16bit.  I tried NR and the lighting optimization in DPP they are both pretty good, since I never really shoot high iso its hard for me to compare this with any other NR program.

I can say I shot some pictures of the model above at 800-3200iso and can easily consider them totally usable for print with virtually no objectionable noise.

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Sep 03 09 07:30 am  Link  Quote 
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StephenEastwood
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real fast sample video handheld with horrible form  hmm

thank god for pretty models, makes everything seem better.  wink

http://www.vimeo.com/6404469

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Sep 03 09 07:31 am  Link  Quote 
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StephenEastwood
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Taverner Photography wrote:

Using briese lighting?  Wow...

no, I am mainly broncolor so it would be para, but these were the AB PLM's I am using with speedlites.

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Sep 03 09 07:32 am  Link  Quote 
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StephenEastwood
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Steven Aiello wrote:
holy crap, your images at 3200 are MUCH better then ones I've seen floating around out there. 

These are all at 3200?  If so this maybe my new wedding camera.

Thanks a bunch,
Steven

no the last two of amy and you can see most iso's 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 2000, 3200, 5000, 6400, 12800, and on the 5d2 25600iso in the still life.

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Sep 03 09 07:33 am  Link  Quote 
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saiello
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Ypsilanti, Michigan, US


StephenEastwood wrote:

no the last two of amy and you can see most iso's 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 2000, 3200, 5000, 6400, 12800, and on the 5d2 25600iso in the still life.

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Ok so only the last 2 of Amy are at 3200? 

Still really quite wonderful ISO noise at 3200.  Good job Canon!

Sep 03 09 07:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Modstudios
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Beavercreek, Ohio, US


How does this camera par up to the 5D mark II, it looks impressive to me.
Sep 03 09 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
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StephenEastwood
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Steven Aiello wrote:

Ok so only the last 2 of Amy are at 3200? 

Still really quite wonderful ISO noise at 3200.  Good job Canon!

yes, and you can see the ambient effecting the color dramatically at that high iso, especially since I was using a modeling light to see in the PLM which shows in her eyes as a big yellow catchlight behind the small softbox with speedlite.

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Sep 03 09 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
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StephenEastwood
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Modstudios wrote:
How does this camera par up to the 5D mark II, it looks impressive to me.

different cameras, iso is not that far off, feel is about the same, focus is much faster, lots of new gadgets in this, more options, more in depth menu and the built in flash which can control a speedlite or groups of them is great!  it means you can take the body and one 580, 430, 550 and have off camera lighting with no extra units or controller.

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Sep 03 09 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
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David Scott
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Marion, Iowa, US


Is that nestle crunch bar still available for a shoot? wink
Sep 03 09 07:47 am  Link  Quote 
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saiello
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StephenEastwood wrote:

yes, and you can see the ambient effecting the color dramatically at that high iso, especially since I was using a modeling light to see in the PLM which shows in her eyes as a big yellow catchlight behind the small softbox with speedlite.

Stephen Eastwood
http://www.PhotographersPortfolio.com

Humm ok, ya I see the difference here.  Isn't this to be expected though?  I guess this is the type of thing you notice and why you get paid the big bucks  = )

If the modeling light has a yellow tint I would expect that the higher ISO would pick up that yellow tone.  What am I missing here?

Thanks,
Steven

Sep 03 09 07:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Paindancer Productions
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I want!  smile
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NYPHOTOGRAPHICS
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FRESH MEADOWS, New York, US


Steven Aiello wrote:

Humm ok, ya I see the difference here.  Isn't this to be expected though?  I guess this is the type of thing you notice and why you get paid the big bucks  = )

If the modeling light has a yellow tint I would expect that the higher ISO would pick up that yellow tone.  What am I missing here?

Thanks,
Steven

I was explaining the easy way to identify the 3200 iso vs the others with out checking exif.


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Sep 03 09 07:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Paindancer Productions wrote:
I want!  smile

I will have one or two for sure, one to take as a small camera and one or two for video.  The built in speedlite controller is great for small size take along, that and a 580ex2 and you can have off camera light anywhere.

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Sep 03 09 07:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Benny
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I wanna play! big_smile
Sep 03 09 07:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Sean Baker Photo
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StephenEastwood wrote:
nothing in the link of still life has had any processing, those are straight from camera. 

The shots of amy I did not use any NR, they were converted from raw to tif 16bit.  I tried NR and the lighting optimization in DPP they are both pretty good, since I never really shoot high iso its hard for me to compare this with any other NR program.

I can say I shot some pictures of the model above at 800-3200iso and can easily consider them totally usable for print with virtually no objectionable noise.

Stephen Eastwood
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Looking at the files, that 3200 cleans up very nicely indeed.  The files handle sharpening better than I'd expected as well.  Looks like quite a winner, particularly at the price point.

Sep 03 09 07:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Roy Lett
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Must have been really difficult for you Stephen to see everyone bitching and suggesting what the next prosumer Canon should do and quietly behind the scenes be shooting/testing with it.
Looks like you put it through the paces well, Congrats!
Sep 03 09 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
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NYPHOTOGRAPHICS
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for those looking into the benifits of raw, check the latitude.

shot as is:  blown out from over powering low flash.
http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/rs/THUMBNAILS/img_0001.jpg

pulled back in DPP
http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/rs/THUMBNAILS/img_0001d.jpg

larger here  http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/rs

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Sep 03 09 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
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NYPHOTOGRAPHICS
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Roy Lett wrote:
Must have been really difficult for you Stephen to see everyone bitching and suggesting what the next prosumer Canon should do and quietly behind the scenes be shooting/testing with it.
Looks like you put it through the paces well, Congrats!

you get use to it.  hmm

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Sep 03 09 08:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Retinal Fetish
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Stephen, more interested in the viewfinder,  I know that finally having 1.0x and 100% MUST be nice, but I am thinking of getting one as a backup / longer lens (use that crop factor to my advantage!) alternative to my 5DmkII.  As a full frame shooter for nearly 4 years now (proud 5D owner as well) how much smaller is the viewfinder , how much darker does it feel.  My friend recently, on my recommendation purchased a Rebel T1i, and I could barely look through the finder, it just felt so small and dark even with an f1.4 prime on it.  Is this better / closer to a full frame viewfinder or is it still noticeably constricting?
Sep 03 09 08:09 am  Link  Quote 
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NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote:
for those looking into the benifits of raw, check the latitude.

shot as is:  blown out from over powering low flash.
http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/rs/THUMBNAILS/img_0001.jpg

pulled back in DPP
http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/rs/THUMBNAILS/img_0001d.jpg

larger here  http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/rs

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i'm too embarassed to post my "rescues" from the 5d2, but you're seen them...

you think the 7d's raw will be able to do that ?

Sep 03 09 08:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Retinal Fetish wrote:
Stephen, more interested in the viewfinder,  I know that finally having 1.0x and 100% MUST be nice, but I am thinking of getting one as a backup / longer lens (use that crop factor to my advantage!) alternative to my 5DmkII.  As a full frame shooter for nearly 4 years now (proud 5D owner as well) how much smaller is the viewfinder , how much darker does it feel.  My friend recently, on my recommendation purchased a Rebel T1i, and I could barely look through the finder, it just felt so small and dark even with an f1.4 prime on it.  Is this better / closer to a full frame viewfinder or is it still noticeably constricting?

I did not notice any difference really, but then I am not one to care, I could see and compose easily enough indoors in the dark and outside, so I would not have noticed which camera from that alone.  I did have to switch from the 70-200 for some of the body shots in a large (but not large enough) location. 

I do like the extra reach though, considering my propensity for long lenses, this makes that 24-105 L a useful carry around lens  big_smile

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Sep 03 09 08:13 am  Link  Quote 
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PashaPhoto wrote:

i'm too embarassed to post my "rescues" from the 5d2, but you're seen them...

you think the 7d's raw will be able to do that ?

over exposure handles well, under I have not checked much, at a stop it was very clean, maore than that I need to shoot some bad exposures  tongue

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Sep 03 09 08:14 am  Link  Quote 
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NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote:
more than that I need to shoot some bad exposures  tongue

well, if you ever need badly underexposed images, you know who the master is smile

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Retinal Fetish
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NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote:

I did not notice any difference really, but then I am not one to care, I could see and compose easily enough indoors in the dark and outside, so I would not have noticed which camera from that alone.  I did have to switch from the 70-200 for some of the body shots in a large (but not large enough) location. 

I do like the extra reach though, considering my propensity for long lenses, this makes that 24-105 L a useful carry around lens  big_smile

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Exactly why I am inerested in it, 8fps and 1.6x factor turns my 100-400 into a far more useful birdin / wildlife lens!  Now on camera speedlite control....YAY and about time!!!!!!   So I guess the new focus and exposure system with built in flash control on a Full frame will take the mythical 3D huh?

Sep 03 09 08:22 am  Link  Quote 
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I will be out shooting most of the day, but will try to respond to everything I can this evening, maybe late evening.  smile

Just figured you would all like something to argue over for the day, and yes the M&M's brought an escort to keep me from eating them  tongue

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Sep 03 09 08:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Retinal Fetish
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NYPHOTOGRAPHICS wrote:
I will be out shooting most of the day, but will try to respond to everything I can this evening, maybe late evening.  smile

Just figured you would all like something to argue over for the day, and yes the M&M's brought an escort to keep me from eating them  tongue

Stephen Eastwood
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Hey Stephen be careful.... I hear that escort may be packing Heath!!!! smile

Sep 03 09 08:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Stephen Melvin
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Thanks for these, Stephen. They seem to confirm my initial impression that Canon has solved (or at least really reduced) the pattern noise problem.

The still life images are all really soft. I'm wondering if it's diffraction, since you shot them at f/10. Other sample images I've seen weren't soft like this, so I assume it's not a camera issue.
Sep 03 09 05:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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sublime LightWorks
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Atlanta, Georgia, US


StephenEastwood wrote:
All shot last week, so its not a final firmware.  All shot with speedlites, some a mix of the speedlite and ambient light in the 3200 iso shots.

http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/amy_7t/

comparisons:
http://stepheneastwood.com/Canon/iso_comp_7/



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You are the man....period, end of discussion.

Thx Stephen.  (am still holding out for the 1DmkIV)

Sep 03 09 06:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alex MacPherson
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Hey Stephen

Would you shoot beauty with it? Or is the 5D mk II still the best choice?
Sep 03 09 06:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dolce Moda Photography wrote:
Hey Stephen

Would you shoot beauty with it? Or is the 5D mk II still the best choice?

I shot with it the other day, and see no reason not too.  It makes the 70-200 have more reach and little drawback, I like that, if I had to go high iso I may stick with a 5D2, but after seeing the performance of this at 3200 I cannot say there is a clearly obvious choice, I don't shoot 3200 iso often enough to have that as a deciding factor, I often shoot long so the extra reach with not much loss in pixels (over cropping) allows for me to stick with the 70-200 rather than switching back and fourth (though I usually just have more than one body with lenses covering wider to at least 300mm) 

For the price difference for beauty I would have no issue recommending the 7D.

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Sep 03 09 07:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Garrett Sanders
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I can see some of the "noise dandruff" in the black patches at ISO 3200 that one reviewer has already mentioned.

I'm amazed that everyone is raving about this camera after the 50D was pilloried because it had too many MP in a crop camera and this new one has even more.

I had a 50D and it did have noticeable noise, even at ISO 100 (my XSi performed better at low ISOs).  Ultimately, I traded in the 50D for a 5DM2 which is an incredible camera.

I still don't understand people who claim a crop camera is superior for certain applications due to the extra "reach."  The crop factor is really the same as using digital (vs optical) zoom that's available in most point-and-shoots.  I can crop the image from my FF sensor and get the same reach as a crop camera.
Sep 03 09 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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StephenE
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Garrett Sanders wrote:
I can crop the image from my FF sensor and get the same reach as a crop camera.

that is more camera dependent, you cannot crop into a 5D1 image and get the same pixel count as you could have shot on a 50D, so if the noise issue is near equal (especially when using lower iso) you do effectively get more from the same lens, which can be valuable in shots requiring longer glass.  Also it does allow for in camera framing rather then shooting wider and cropping later, which is either good or bad depending on your shooting style and workflow and final production workflow.  At higher iso's the larger pixels can become more important given equal technology in processing of the raw data.  But as seen when shooting at 800iso the 5D and even 5D2 have much better results than the 11MP 1DS with smaller pixels.  The new cameras have better noise chracteristics than even the original 4MP 1D which had much larger pixels (CCD however) and even better than the D60 which also had larger pixels.
 


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Sep 03 09 07:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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that said, there is no clearly better format, one has some advantages over the other, neither is inherently better in all circumstances, output becomes more important, workflow becomes important, working style and characteristics become a factor, processor becomes very important.  They both can have a place and in many situations can be indistinguishable.  in other situations one can outweigh the other.

in film size matters more, and yet many use MF and in that field some use 645 vs the larger 6x7 and see advantages just as some do in crop chip vs FF.


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Sep 03 09 07:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stephen Melvin
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Kansas City, Missouri, US


StephenE wrote:
that said, there is no clearly better format, one has some advantages over the other, neither is inherently better in all circumstances, output becomes more important, workflow becomes important, working style and characteristics become a factor, processor becomes very important.  They both can have a place and in many situations can be indistinguishable.  in other situations one can outweigh the other.

in film size matters more, and yet many use MF and in that field some use 645 vs the larger 6x7 and see advantages just as some do in crop chip vs FF.


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Possibly the most sensible post I've seen in this forum in months.

Sep 03 09 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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