Jackon B Photography wrote:
photographing a person under 18 nude isnt illegal in america.

you better convince yourself it is unless you want to end up on the sex offender list.

Extreme Body Art wrote:
This is more of an inquiry, but.

Are models younger than 18 being asked to do nudes?

I mean, they must be being asked a lot to force them to put it in there profile stating "I don't do nudes"

When looking for a model and the age is less then 18 I usually just move to the next, but the "I DON'T DO NUDES!" just catches my eye and I just have to think.. "Who's asking?"

Actually, most of them think they are so hot that someone SHOULD ask them.. just so they can say they don't do them...   Its a classic 17 year old Paris Hilton attitude... "Do you think I'm Hottt???"

Jackon B Photography wrote:
photographing a person under 18 nude isnt illegal in america.

No, but it can be criminally stupid.

Weldphoto wrote:
I'm confused - perhaps its the late hour or my old brain is fried. Is it or is it not legal to photograph someone under 18 in the nude? Or is there no simple law to answer this question.

N.B. I have not and do not shoot minors nude, semi-nude, implied nude or any other form of nude. REPEAT I do NOT.

No one is saying you do...

However, there is no law that states you cannot take a nude photo of a minor... you will not find one... Now.. you will find laws all over the place stating it's not legal for a minor to be photographed in a lewd manor and what not...

Here is a thread that discusses it in detail... (Warning, big debate in it though)
https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … 631&page=1

Extreme Body Art wrote:

No one is saying you do...

However, there is no law that states you cannot take a nude photo of a minor... you will not find one... Now.. you will find laws all over the place stating it's not legal for a minor to be photographed in a lewd manor and what not...

Here is a thread that discusses it in detail... (Warning, big debate in it though)
https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … 631&page=1

the person disagreeing with it will MAKE AN EXCUSE as to how its portrayed in a lewd manner...

Jessyka Ann wrote:

the person disagreeing with it will MAKE AN EXCUSE as to how its portrayed in a lewd manner...

And that is why I and many of the photographers on this site will only do nudes with models that are 18+
Better to be safe than in court for the rest of your life.

Extreme Body Art wrote:

No one is saying you do...

However, there is no law that states you cannot take a nude photo of a minor... you will not find one... Now.. you will find laws all over the place stating it's not legal for a minor to be photographed in a lewd manor and what not...

Here is a thread that discusses it in detail... (Warning, big debate in it though)
https://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thre … 631&page=1

Surprise......look in Ohio statutes. Specifically states minors.

Extreme Body Art wrote:

And that is why I and many of the photographers on this site will only do nudes with models that are 18+
Better to be safe than in court for the rest of your life.

I sure as hell WILL NOT end up on a sex offended list because I took a nude of a 17 year old just standing there naked...and lets face it...thats all you need...someone out there would point out WHY that pose is sexual.

Cherrystone wrote:

Surprise......look in Ohio statutes. Specifically states minors.

Link that please....
The only thing I found about that was Osbourne vs Ohio.

Anyway, if you were prosecuted couldn't you appeal to the supreme court where they already have ruled on issues like these?

Jessyka Ann wrote:

I sure as hell WILL NOT end up on a sex offended list because I took a nude of a 17 year old just standing there naked...and lets face it...thats all you need...someone out there would point out WHY that pose is sexual.

I totally agree with you. If you have an artistic idea... what does a 17 year old have that an 18 year old couldn't do?

Extreme Body Art wrote:
I totally agree with you. If you have an artistic idea... what does a 17 year old have that an 18 year old couldn't do?

I personally cant look at a 17 year old standing there and think anything sexual about it, but I see nudity in a different way anways being a nude model myself...but why risk it when you can take the safe route.
why would anyone WANT to take a picture of a minor or even ask just because they think they are drop dead gorgeous...I mean, cant they find another drop dead gorgeous model and play it safe?
Seems to me that only the pervs will risk taking pictures of minors in the buff.

A decent photographer would NEVER ask a minor to pose nude for them.

Extreme Body Art wrote:

Link that please....
The only thing I found about that was Osbourne vs Ohio.

Anyway, if you were prosecuted couldn't you appeal to the supreme court where they already have ruled on issues like these?

It's there. I've read it, so has my attorney.
Perhaps your good a googling law stuff.
State statute enacted in.....recent years, if memory serves.

I'm not going to be prosecuted for that.....I rarely even shoot with models much under 21 anymore, for various reasons.

Younger clients, yes. Younger net models, no.

Cherrystone wrote:
It's there. I've read it, so has my attorney.
Perhaps your good a googling law stuff.
State statute enacted in.....recent years, if memory serves.

I'm not going to be prosecuted for that.....I rarely even shoot with models much under 21 anymore, for various reasons.

Younger clients, yes. Younger net models, no.

http://www.nudelife.com/

This is in Ohio.. this is a nudist Club, and not 18+... so... according to the law "Sorry, no family portraits, it's against the law"

I'm sorry... If I was a nudist and it was my way of life, and it's an everyday thing... I would sue the state of Ohio.

K E S L E R wrote:
Ask yourself, are there GWC's/ Perverts on MM?

'Nuff Said....

Fiddlers Green Photo wrote:
I surely would not want American law Enforcement deciding if I am making art or not

no one under 18 nude gets my lens

+1

Extreme Body Art wrote:
This is more of an inquiry, but.

Are models younger than 18 being asked to do nudes?

I mean, they must be being asked a lot to force them to put it in there profile stating "I don't do nudes"

When looking for a model and the age is less then 18 I usually just move to the next, but the "I DON'T DO NUDES!" just catches my eye and I just have to think.. "Who's asking?"

Honestly, I'd rather not shoot with anybody under the age of 18.

Extreme Body Art wrote:

http://www.nudelife.com/

This is in Ohio.. this is a nudist Club, and not 18+... so... according to the law "Sorry, no family portraits, it's against the law"

I'm sorry... If I was a nudist and it was my way of life, and it's an everyday thing... I would sue the state of Ohio.

Nudist clubs are usually 65+.

Wilde One wrote:

Nudist clubs are usually 65+.

Yes... a lot of them are old.. but my wife and I just this last April visited Blacks Beach in San Diego and there was a nudist family there... ages 3-19 with the mom and dad.. so there are kids too.

Jackon B Photography wrote:
photographing a person under 18 nude isnt illegal in america.

Garry k wrote:
people who believe this

Should I have marked this M?

George Lue wrote:

Jackon B Photography wrote:
photographing a person under 18 nude isnt illegal in america.

Should I have marked this M?

Careful.. Someone might turn you in!  (Very cute picture by the way.)

Soulgers Works wrote:
Sadly in todays state of affairs most conservative people see any kind of nudity as pornography. The picture could be the most innocent of all images ever taken and it would still be considered lewd. I am a new father and just cant stop taking pictures pf my new baby girl and ofcourse some of them have nudity like when she was born and just placed in the bassinet at the hospital. My biggest complaint with this is that we have people who know nothing of art making deliberations on what they consider lewd and sexual. If nudity means that it is sexual does that mean every time I take a shower I am being pornographic? Or when I change my clothes? I do understand though the controversy surrounding this because not all have been innocent pictures but the photos should be looked at as an individual basis and not labeled the same as the illegal photos just because of the nudity. Sally Mann and Jock Sturges have some great talent and should not be persecuted like they are.

It really is in the eye of the beholder... I have met guys (few girls)  that looks at some of the work in the museums Venus De Milo, David, etc... and say "Hubba Hubba"... it's arousal to them... So I could just imagine the same people looking at a nude 14 or 15 year old... artistic or not... "Hubba Hubba"

On the other side of it... I have met MANY that don't care if they are naked or not... if they have the look they want... naked or not... it really turns them on.

And the sad thing is... I have seen MANY models that you look at them and say "Under 18... Really? They sure do look 25"

There really isn't much of a difference between 17 and 18 for some...

I bet I could line up a about 20 of photos side by side ranging ages from 16 to 19 and you will not be able to tell who is 16 and who is 19 unless you knew the model already.

Jackon B Photography wrote:
photographing a person under 18 nude isnt illegal in america.

You have to be able to prove artistic intent, or you could be spending time making some new friends.

Keith aka Wolfie wrote:

Ummm, they're all legal. Unless by referring to illegal is the ability to sign a a contract.

A person under 18 CAN sign a contract. The problem is they can also retract their signature.

Jessyka Ann wrote:
A decent photographer would NEVER ask a minor to pose nude for them.

Yeah, Sally Mann, Jock Sturges, David Hamilton - they're all really crappy photographers.

I understand your point that the law is open to interpretation and the impacts of being accused and scrutinized are probably devastating, regardless of the legality, but don't get irrational and closed minded and start making blanket generalities.  I can think of perfectly legitimate, non-lewd artistic concepts that would require a nude minor model.

George Lue wrote:

Jackon B Photography wrote:
photographing a person under 18 nude isnt illegal in america.

Should I have marked this M?

a baby is different from a teenage girl.

Tim Hammond wrote:

Yeah, Sally Mann, Jock Sturges, David Hamilton - they're all really crappy photographers.

I understand your point that the law is open to interpretation and the impacts of being accused and scrutinized are probably devastating, regardless of the legality, but don't get irrational and closed minded and start making blanket generalities.  I can think of perfectly legitimate, non-lewd artistic concepts that would require a nude minor model.

like what. Tell me.

Jessyka Ann wrote:

like what. Tell me.

Jessyka Ann wrote:
the person disagreeing with it will MAKE AN EXCUSE as to how its portrayed in a lewd manner...

LOL!  Use your own reasoning.  I describe a concept.  You make an excuse for why it's not legitimate, not artistic, or is lewd, not because you're right but because you don't want there to be a right answer.  I'm not even going to start that game.

Tim Hammond wrote:

Jessyka Ann wrote:
like what. Tell me.

LOL!  Use your own reasoning.  I describe a concept.  You make an excuse for why it's not legitimate, not artistic, or is lewd, not because you're right but because you don't want there to be a right answer.  I'm not even going to start that game.

I didnt say I would make the excuse! lmao!
I wouldnt ask someone under 18 just to be safe...
I dont need to get in trouble for creating art, I photograph more erotic photography than anything so I have no use for anyone under 18.
I was just sayin...that random mom who finds it will say something.

Jessica-Elizabeth wrote:
I'm sixeen, and I have it on my profile for my own saftey. Just for peace of mind I like to think that having it on my profile will reduce any chance of anyone creepy asking me. However, I look well over eighteen in person, so I think its just personal preferance.

to me you look your age, but then again look at me...Im 22 and I look much younger...it sucks.

Jessyka Ann wrote:

to me you look your age, but then again look at me...Im 22 and I look much younger...it sucks.

It took me alot of pictures to get one where i look my age. lol.
I think it all depends on outfit and hair and makeup, and on camera or in person.
And looking younger isn't really a bad thing, You're very pretty!

Jessica-Elizabeth wrote:
I'm sixeen, and I have it on my profile for my own saftey. Just for peace of mind I like to think that having it on my profile will reduce any chance of anyone creepy asking me. However, I look well over eighteen in person, so I think its just personal preferance.

It probably won't make any difference. The people who you are trying to warn away will ignore it and everyone else will either laugh or roll their eyes because they weren't ging to ask in the first place.

Jessica-Elizabeth wrote:
I'm sixeen, and I have it on my profile for my own saftey. Just for peace of mind I like to think that having it on my profile will reduce any chance of anyone creepy asking me. However, I look well over eighteen in person, so I think its just personal preferance.

How is it a risk to your safety for someone to ask you, as long as you say no?

Jessyka Ann wrote:

a baby is different from a teenage girl.

Just to play devils advocate...

At what age is it no longer OK to photographer a child in the nude?

IF a baby is ok... how old does the baby have to be to all of a sudden become taboo?

Stefano Brunesci wrote:

People who don't check their age or people who feel that their work qualifies as "art" and will therefore render them harmless from prosecution.

Either way they're idiots.


Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

+1

Tim Hammond wrote:

How is it a risk to your safety for someone to ask you, as long as you say no?

Yes.. it's fine that you might put it in there (Because you might not change your portfolio even after you turn 18... BUT I don't understand the "safety" either.

People will ask you to pose nude and then you are not safe after they ask?