TF is not free. Time is traded for pictures, clothing, whatever.
I mean you have a shoot that either you know will not benefit your portfolio (concept, photographer's level of work, etc) or you will not be given any pictures from the shoot and there is no other compensation.
Is there any circumstance you would do this in?
The only thing I can think of is if I thought the photographer had a good eye with lots of potential and I felt like helping out.
I sometimes do it for friends that are students like me...
but I always like to see the images .... but I don't always get them, but it's okay in that circumstance.
Kelli Kickham wrote: TF is not free. Time is traded for pictures, clothing, whatever.
I mean you have a shoot that either you know will not benefit your portfolio (concept, photographer's level of work, etc) or you will not be given any pictures from the shoot and there is no other compensation.
Is there any circumstance you would do this in?
The only thing I can think of is if I thought the photographer had a good eye with lots of potential and I felt like helping out.
I've done it when it seems a good crapshoot for a photographer aiming
for an exhibition and seems to have a good chance, that's it!!!
But that's very rare!!!
Purposely... Yes, one time... but that doesn't count because it was my wife for her portfolio... AND I did get compensated... but it wasn't money or pictures
Outside of that.... I'm sure there were TFP shoots that have gone bad and you haven't got picture for your TFP shoot hence you just worked for free.
Extreme Body Art wrote: Purposely... Yes, one time... but that doesn't count because it was my wife for her portfolio... AND I did get compensated... but it wasn't money or pictures
Outside of that.... I'm sure there were TFP shoots that have gone bad and you haven't got picture for your TFP shoot hence you just worked for free.
Haha. Definitely. But, yes, I was referring to the ones that happen on purpose.
Thanks for the answers guys. I like that people here are always so nice to answer my curious questions.
Extreme Body Art wrote: Outside of that.... I'm sure there were TFP shoots that have gone bad and you haven't got picture for your TFP shoot hence you just worked for free.
Yes, happened to me once.
I HAVE, both intentionally and unintentionally, worked with photographers that didn't benefit my portfolio at all. I don't mind that much if it doesn't take much of my time, and I felt like helping out. But the time when I actually thought i might get something out of it was rather disappointing.
ive done it plenty of times, whether it be someone i just wanted to help out, not caring if i used the images or not or maybe just a favor for a friend... but yes, i do FREE work all the time... regardless of what, on MM? i still consider tfcd to be = free
N E E F FRESH wrote: ive done it plenty of times, whether it be someone i just wanted to help out, not caring if i used the images or not or maybe just a favor for a friend... but yes, i do FREE work all the time... regardless of what, on MM? i still consider tfcd to be = free
nobody is getting paid
I may get ripped apart for this, but it's been my personal experience that an awesome photographer has a chance at getting a great portfolio shot from a less-than-great model. Maybe not his/her best, but portfolio worthy.
I address this question *mainly* to models because if a photographer doesn't understand basic lighting (natural or not), then it is unlikely the model will even have a chance at a portfolio shot.
I know at least one photographer on here that when you shoot with him:
- don't schedule an afternoon. Schedule a week, a month to stay at his place.
- He will put you in very uncomfortable poses and have you hold them.
- you will not see anything back for a year or two.
And its completely worth it every second. He is in my top 3 highest recommended people on this website to shoot with.
iMonstrosity wrote: I know at least one photographer on here that when you shoot with him:
- don't schedule an afternoon. Schedule a week, a month to stay at his place.
- He will put you in very uncomfortable poses and have you hold them.
- you will not see anything back for a year or two.
And its completely worth it every second. He is in my top 3 highest recommended people on this website to shoot with.
This may be a silly question-- but may I ask why? The person, the experience?
Kelli Kickham wrote: This may be a silly question-- but may I ask why? The person, the experience?
The experience, the company, the music, the food, the conversation, the movies, the whole package deal.
Its not something that can be typed in words.
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iMonstrosity wrote: I know at least one photographer on here that when you shoot with him:
- don't schedule an afternoon. Schedule a week, a month to stay at his place.
- He will put you in very uncomfortable poses and have you hold them.
- you will not see anything back for a year or two.
And its completely worth it every second. He is in my top 3 highest recommended people on this website to shoot with.
I know someone similar to this that I've shot with
The experience, the company, the music, the food, the conversation, the movies, the whole package deal.
Its not something that can be typed in words.
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I have done many tfp shoots, i believe people have to start somewhere in this industry, i have always gotten all the pics back on cd and some edited, everyone to their own though
I sometimes find the differences between models and photographers curious.
Many shooters will shoot models of any size and shape to try to get a
good image. Its not for many about what a model looks like but what she/he
could look like with their eye.
I could care less about making a dime. Many of the photographers here also
don't care. A model could have out of focus web cam level work and
one leg (I shot a model with one leg once) we want to shoot. I guess I
understand models wanting to know they will get good images but sometimes
the journey is worth the price of admission. A little Zen. Very little.
XxSophie wrote: I have done many tfp shoots, i believe people have to start somewhere in this industry, i have always gotten all the pics back on cd and some edited, everyone to their own though
Kelli Kickham wrote: TF is not free. Time is traded for pictures, clothing, whatever.
I mean you have a shoot that either you know will not benefit your portfolio (concept, photographer's level of work, etc) or you will not be given any pictures from the shoot and there is no other compensation.
Is there any circumstance you would do this in?
The only thing I can think of is if I thought the photographer had a good eye with lots of potential and I felt like helping out.
Tony Lawrence wrote: I sometimes find the differences between models and photographers curious.
Many shooters will shoot models of any size and shape to try to get a
good image. Its not for many about what a model looks like but what she/he
could look like with their eye.
I could care less about making a dime. Many of the photographers here also
don't care. A model could have out of focus web cam level work and
one leg (I shot a model with one leg once) we want to shoot. I guess I
understand models wanting to know they will get good images but sometimes
the journey is worth the price of admission. A little Zen. Very little.
Depends, are you counting exposure as compensation? If not, if my face appeared on the cover of a magazine or something, screw any other sort of compensation- exposure is pricelss
This works both ways around - I often shoot free pictures for models who are just starting out even though I know I might never use any of the images myself.
If I were a model I would certainly do a free shoot for a photographer who was just starting and learning his or her craft
Yea, I have and probably will again. Hate to see a kid not have senior pics cause can't afford them. No water mark in the corner either. :-) I've shot wantabes with no intention of using the result in my port. It's nice to be payed, but if that is your only reason for shooting....something is missing.
Ah well sometimes when agencies send me girls that really need pictures and normally would pay, but the results are bad , they don't pay, hence I am doing that for free. With the pictures I already have often enough the models can use the pictures but they don't necessarily get used in my book.
IF it was a TF, but I don't use the pictures then there too , it's for free.
Some of my best jobs have been a result of free shots. Take this story for instance:
A friend of mine owns a watch distributorship for very high end watches in the US. They were kind enough to let me borrow one $8,000.- from their showroom for me to shoot. I drove an hour to pick it up - shot it - and drove an hour to drop it off.
I have gotten more well paid jewelry photography jobs out of this one photo, than any paid marketing I could have done.
I have had the same experience with fashion photography and location photography, where images that from shoots that I either did for free or that cost me money to produce, landed me jobs in the long term.
Kelli Kickham wrote: I address this question *mainly* to models because if a photographer doesn't understand basic lighting (natural or not), then it is unlikely the model will even have a chance at a portfolio shot.
If a photographer does not know their lighting, one really should practise with a mannequin. Amateurs really really need to pay for others' services. That is my opinion.
