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Hawaii Capitalist
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I offered a "Hot or Not" critique to models last week and my unscientific conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

While I am open to the concept that not all models should be hot, shouldn't they at least be attractive in some way? 

(to the anal moderators, this is a serious question)
Nov 07 09 07:23 am  Link  Quote 
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SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 18,958

Hawaii Capital wrote:
I offered a "Hot or Not" critique to models last week and my unscientific conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

While I am open to the concept that not all models should be hot, shouldn't they at least be attractive in some way? 

(to the anal moderators, this is a serious question)

You gotta be kidding....

Nov 07 09 07:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Bernie Browder
Posts: 8,502

Hawaii Capital wrote:
conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

Thats your opinion.

Nov 07 09 07:25 am  Link  Quote 
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viiix
Posts: 68

Hawaii Capital wrote:
I offered a "Hot or Not" critique to models last week and my unscientific conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

While I am open to the concept that not all models should be hot, shouldn't they at least be attractive in some way? 

(to the anal moderators, this is a serious question)

Just because you don't think they are attractive doesn't mean others feel the same, just sayin'

Nov 07 09 07:25 am  Link  Quote 
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immateria
Posts: 10,892

Lol.
Nov 07 09 07:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Hawaii Capitalist
Posts: 321

Bernie Browder  wrote:

Thats your opinion.

right, thank you....and what is your opinion?

Nov 07 09 07:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Hawaii Capitalist
Posts: 321

viiix wrote:

Just because you don't think they are attractive doesn't mean others feel the same, just sayin'

i would imagine that the more competitive modeling agencies would be even more selective than me!!

Nov 07 09 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
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Stock Photo Showcase
Posts: 391

probably about the same percentage as photographers who are not photographer material =P (myself definitely included when I compare my shots to those of really good photographers).

funny thing is, the "industry" requires all kinds of people as models
Nov 07 09 07:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Cogito Ergo Zoom
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This is off to a great start, and here's to an even better ending. This I gotta see.
Nov 07 09 07:29 am  Link  Quote 
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SPRINGHEEL
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Hey OP?  You got a link to this "Hot or Not" thread?
Nov 07 09 07:30 am  Link  Quote 
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immateria
Posts: 10,892

Hawaii Capital wrote:

i would imagine that the more competitive modeling agencies would be even more selective than me!!

Not everyone here aspires to be an agency model. I certainly don't.

Different looks are suitable to different genres in the modeling world. Very few people on here fit into the fashion/mainstream, but there are plenty of successful models here who don't have a conventional look, or might not be "hot" according to your definition, that fit into niches that their look is suitable for.

Nov 07 09 07:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Hawaii Capitalist
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Stock Photo Showcase wrote:
probably about the same percentage as photographers who are not photographer material =P (myself definitely included when I compare my shots to those of really good photographers).

funny thing is, the "industry" requires all kinds of people as models

good point.  however, if you check out the competitive modeling agencies list of models, they are pretty much all hot-level attractiveness. 

sure, i understand "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

Nov 07 09 07:31 am  Link  Quote 
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Image K
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Another troll thread by an up-and-coming troll.

His last one landed him 4 days in the cooler:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … st11254327
Nov 07 09 07:31 am  Link  Quote 
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Lynn Helms Photography
Posts: 323

Hawaii Capital wrote:
I offered a "Hot or Not" critique to models last week and my unscientific conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

While I am open to the concept that not all models should be hot, shouldn't they at least be attractive in some way? 

(to the anal moderators, this is a serious question)

No

And have you EVER started a thread that didn't get locked?

Nov 07 09 07:32 am  Link  Quote 
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ShivaLove
Posts: 8,183

Sometimes, being able to bring a personality, or a character, into an image is attractive, and certain people can do this. They might not be particularly good-looking, or might even be ugly (to some people), but in that moment in that particular image, they do something spectacular with it.
Nov 07 09 07:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Hawaii Capitalist
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immateria wrote:

Not everyone here aspires to be an agency model. I certainly don't.

Different looks are suitable to different genres in the modeling world. Very few people on here fit into the fashion/mainstream, but there are plenty of successful models here who don't have a conventional look, or might not be "hot" according to your definition, that fit into niches that their look is suitable for.

ok, fair enough.  my opinion may mean nothing.  i'm just wondering!  :-)

Nov 07 09 07:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Bernie Browder
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Hawaii Capital wrote:

right, thank you....and what is your opinion?

My opinion is, there is diversity here.  Putting someone in a HOT category is not judging someone if they are model material or not.  Plus you are now talking agencies etc......  You were judging if they were HOT or not with no explanation or being diverse about it.

Nov 07 09 07:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Joe Koz
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Hawaii Capital wrote:
I offered a "Hot or Not" critique to models last week and my unscientific conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

While I am open to the concept that not all models should be hot, shouldn't they at least be attractive in some way? 

(to the anal moderators, this is a serious question)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/joekoz451/wingnut.jpg

... with myopia.

Nov 07 09 07:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Hawaii Capitalist
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Lynn Helms Photography wrote:

No

And have you EVER started a thread that didn't get locked?

sure i have....the "hot or not" thread was quite popular.  i don't know how to "search" it.  can someone plz find it under the "critique" section?

Nov 07 09 07:34 am  Link  Quote 
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Just Danielle
Posts: 1,597

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x301/GlamorousDannie/don_y0.jpg
Nov 07 09 07:35 am  Link  Quote 
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SMS Photography
Posts: 583

Hawaii Capital wrote:
I offered a "Hot or Not" critique to models last week and my unscientific conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

While I am open to the concept that not all models should be hot, shouldn't they at least be attractive in some way? 

(to the anal moderators, this is a serious question)

lol  *grabs popcorn*   I think the fail meter just tipped!!

dude......   the industry calls for all types of people.   granted there is a higher demand for  "attractive" people, but there is certainly nothing saying they must be "hot".


On the side of advice.... when you say stuff like this, you come off as being on here to date rather then be a professional model

Nov 07 09 07:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Lesha FFG
Posts: 664

and what makes YOU "model material"?
Nov 07 09 07:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Svend
Posts: 18,842

Hawaii Capital wrote:

right, thank you....and what is your opinion?

My opinion is that 100% of models on MM are "model material" for my work.

Nov 07 09 07:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Cogito Ergo Zoom
Posts: 4,431

Lesha FFG wrote:
and what makes YOU "model material"?

Hold your tongue young one, he has a Ferrari.

Nov 07 09 07:38 am  Link  Quote 
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SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 18,958

Image K wrote:
Another troll thread by an up-and-coming troll.

His last one landed him 4 days in the cooler:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … st11254327

Oh, thats just peachy.....

Nov 07 09 07:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Lesha FFG
Posts: 664

Cogito Ergo Zoom wrote:

Hold your tongue young one, he has a Ferrari.

that means absolutely nothing to me.

Nov 07 09 07:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Hawaii Capitalist
Posts: 321

Lesha FFG wrote:
and what makes YOU "model material"?

good question.  for one, i did not choose to be a model.   international publications approached me.   to me, that is as credible as one can get.

Nov 07 09 07:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Hawaii Capitalist
Posts: 321

Cogito Ergo Zoom wrote:

Hold your tongue young one, he has a Ferrari.

i have several.  but it means nothing.  they are merely toys.  why bring it up?

Nov 07 09 07:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Creative Smiles
Posts: 462

Hawaii Capital wrote:
I offered a "Hot or Not" critique to models last week and my unscientific conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

While I am open to the concept that not all models should be hot, shouldn't they at least be attractive in some way? 

(to the anal moderators, this is a serious question)

It is always shocking to me to see how incredible some people can appear as a model and how ordinary they can be in "person".

When you find a portfolio with a "not hot" ... "not attractive" model ... there may be two things in play ... 1) no photographer has caught that right angle yet.  2) the model doesn't know how to model yet.

But yea.  I get your drift ... lol.  There are some who don't seem REMOTELY capable of modeling.  I just say ... be nice to them ... they have the same hopes and dreams that we all have ...

Nov 07 09 07:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Lumigraphics
Posts: 23,900

Hawaii Capital wrote:
I offered a "Hot or Not" critique to models last week and my unscientific conclusion was that over 70% of the models that replied were absolutely NOT hot and not "model material."

While I am open to the concept that not all models should be hot, shouldn't they at least be attractive in some way? 

(to the anal moderators, this is a serious question)

Are you in that 70%?

Nov 07 09 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Hassy501
Posts: 994

Different strokes for different folks. One doesn't have to "hot" to be in demand. Agency representation is just a small percentage of model desirability.
Nov 07 09 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Lesha FFG
Posts: 664

Lumigraphics wrote:

Are you in that 70%?

I would say so.

Nov 07 09 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Hawaii Capitalist
Posts: 321

Creative Smiles wrote:

It is always shocking to me to see how incredible some people can appear as a model and how ordinary they can be in "person".

When you find a portfolio with a "not hot" ... "not attractive" model ... there may be two things in play ... 1) no photographer has caught that right angle yet.  2) the model doesn't know how to model yet.

But yea.  I get your drift ... lol.  There are some who don't seem REMOTELY capable of modeling.  I just say ... be nice to them ... they have the same hopes and dreams that we all have ...

thank you!  :-)  finally, honest dialogue without troll accusations.  that's all i'm lookin for really.  just curious.

Nov 07 09 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Svend
Posts: 18,842

So... I actually answered the question posed by the OP and get no reply for being constructive in the thread, yet he finds time to answer the off topic questions and attacks and stoke the flames.  Thinly veiled... thinly veiled.
Nov 07 09 07:43 am  Link  Quote 
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SMS Photography
Posts: 583

If I owned my own modeling agency or was looking to hire a model, your ego and attitude would automatically put you in the "not" pile

to me you seem cocky, arrogant, and next to impossible to work with.  not someone id be jumping to work with
Nov 07 09 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Lumigraphics
Posts: 23,900

Ok OP, you want an honest answer? Being hot has nothing to do with it. Someone who is shallow, materialistic, elitist, with a shitty attitude....that person is not model material. Does that help?
Nov 07 09 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Creative Smiles
Posts: 462

Svend wrote:
So... I actually answered the question posed by the OP and get no reply for being constructive in the thread, yet he finds time to answer the off topic questions and attacks and stoke the flames.  Thinly veiled... thinly veiled.

He did answer mine.

Nov 07 09 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Hassy501
Posts: 994

Hawaii Capital wrote:

good question.  for one, i did not choose to be a model.   international publications approached me.   to me, that is as credible as one can get.

That means nothing in the real world to photographers who hire someone based on the photographers specific needs. Every photographer has different needs and require different looks.

"Just" being "hot" doesn't insure success or desirability.

Nov 07 09 07:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Svend
Posts: 18,842

Creative Smiles wrote:

He did answer mine.

Because it largely agreed with him.

Nov 07 09 07:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Ereka Marcelino
Posts: 579

Hawaii Capital wrote:

i have several.  but it means nothing.  they are merely toys.  why bring it up?

Can I have one? hienvy

Nov 07 09 07:45 am  Link  Quote 
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