Becca OReilly wrote:
[UK]
So there was the whole thing in the news recently about certain drugs being less harmful than alcohol, namely cannabis and ecstacy, and some guy was fired for saying so even though he was backed by scientific evidence.

What's your views on these drugs, any other drugs, and alcohol?

wtf!?!!? you cant do drugs at work, scientific evidence or not...what a dumbass.

Jessyka Ann wrote:

wtf!?!!? you cant do drugs at work, scientific evidence or not...what a dumbass.

No no no he didn't do drugs at work, he worked for the government in something to do with the drugs laws and stuff like that and he was meant to be anti-drugs to help the government but he found evidence that those two drugs were less harmful than alcohol and was fired for telling people, not for doing them.

Becca OReilly wrote:
[UK]
So there was the whole thing in the news recently about certain drugs being less harmful than alcohol, namely cannabis and ecstacy, and some guy was fired for saying so even though he was backed by scientific evidence.

What's your views on these drugs, any other drugs, and alcohol?

Give me women, wine and snuff
Until I cry out 'hold, enough!'

- John Keats

Becca OReilly wrote:
[UK]

What's your views on these drugs, any other drugs, and alcohol?

Becca..Becca...Becca....one of the cutest faces ever on MM.....It seems like not that long ago you started another thread about the same subject.

Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker....

Ashley Graham wrote:

You're more likely to kill someone while you're drunk than smoking weed probably. The only honest commercial I ever saw about weed was that kid who never moved and just watched tv. It will distort your brain growth though if you do it before 25.

I don't see why it's been upped from a class C to a B when it's really not that bad, it's no worse for your health than smoking fags and drinking, and I do neither of those things so surely it'd be fine if it was legalised, taxed and sold in coffee shops just like in the Netherlands? It's been proven that cannabis does NOT cause any mental health problems, but if you have an existing or underlying problem it can worsen it. But so can alcohol. I used to drink a hell of a lot and it really f**ked me up.

Carley Lynde wrote:

Alcohol has the capability to cause so many problems, and I really wish sometimes that there was a way to safely monitor its use, but that would never work.

I definitely believe that pot is safer than alcohol in almost every regard.  It's not too nice on the lungs, but alcohol is not too nice on the liver.  Either in small amounts are not terribly damaging.  I agree that people do not have behavioral issues when on pot, besides potentially being lazy (which does not happen for everyone).  I would never find it okay to use any kind of drug other than pharmaceutical while at work. 

Ecstasy....safer than alcohol?  Sounds to me like the writer was on something if he believes that.  Alcohol may not be great in certain aspects, but it does not cause damage to the brain.

Definately agree with those points, and the ecstacy thing I think he was referring to it in it's purest form, when not cut with anything else.

TheCinCity Project wrote:

Becca..Becca...Becca....one of the cutest faces ever on MM.....It seems like not that long ago you started another thread about the same subject.

Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker....

LOL I did indeed but it didn't meet the requirements of this one so I created a new one, why waste all the free internet space we have when we can use it all up ;]

Carley Lynde wrote:
Alcohol has the capability to cause so many problems, and I really wish sometimes that there was a way to safely monitor its use, but that would never work.

I definitely believe that pot is safer than alcohol in almost every regard.  It's not too nice on the lungs, but alcohol is not too nice on the liver.  Either in small amounts are not terribly damaging.  I agree that people do not have behavioral issues when on pot, besides potentially being lazy (which does not happen for everyone).  I would never find it okay to use any kind of drug other than pharmaceutical while at work. 

Ecstasy....safer than alcohol?  Sounds to me like the writer was on something if he believes that.  Alcohol may not be great in certain aspects, but it does not cause damage to the brain.


Also, about ecstasy....I'm not too well-versed in the effects of drugs and whatnot, but doesn't that make you want to have sex?  While not thinking clearly, it would be all too easy to have unprotected sex, and if E were legal, can you imagine how much STDs would spread?  Doesn't sound fun to me.

Lots of guys have told me that ecstasy causes temporary impotancy..... And how many people have unprotected sex while under the effects of alcohol?  I'm not advocating either, just saying...

Becca OReilly wrote:
Personally I don't drink alcohol all that much, and I don't enjoy the effects of it either, it makes me feel anxious and sicky. I think it makes people make fools of themselves and turns people agressive, it's also bad for your health, kills brain cells and to me has a lot more bad points than good.

+1 with this.
I agree with *most* of what you said, but this is me and my exact point of view. I NEVER have fun when i drink. Most people probably think I'm boring because of it, but truth is there are much more exciting things I'd rather be doing.

Carley Lynde wrote:
Ecstasy....safer than alcohol?  Sounds to me like the writer was on something if he believes that.  Alcohol may not be great in certain aspects, but it does not cause damage to the brain.

I think what they've found is that pure MDMA is safer than alcohol. Not the stuff on the street that's cut with god knows what. Not saying it's great for you or anything... since alcohol is pretty bad for you to begin with, just that it's safer.

I tried what I was told was pure MDMA once, and the high was definately a lot different from all the E I'd tried before, so I could find these findings believable. Not that I do a ton of it or anything, I just was a curious teenager.

We have to keep in mind that the street E is an entirely different thing because it has other drugs mixed into it.

I also think a lot of people underestimate how bad alcohol is for you, because it's a legal and popular drug.

And yeah, pot is safer than alcohol (in my opinion)... not good for ya... but better than booze.

Caroline Rose MUA wrote:

+1 with this.
I agree with *most* of what you said, but this is me and my exact point of view. I NEVER have fun when i drink. Most people probably think I'm boring because of it, but truth is there are much more exciting things I'd rather be doing.

Exactly I get that all the time if I go to the pub and just have 1 drink, maximum of 3, usually something moderate like archers and lemonade and always a single, my friends say I'm boring or in their words 'a dry out'. I don't like sitting getting drunk, or drinking just to get drunk, if I'm honest there's only one alcoholic drink that I like the taste of and it's a fizzy, light, low alcohol content wine. I'd rather chill out in a park, play rounders or something with a few mates and maybe ONE beer than get pi$$ed. It's really not my thing.

Becca OReilly wrote:
[UK]
So there was the whole thing in the news recently about certain drugs being less harmful than alcohol, namely cannabis and ecstacy, and some guy was fired for saying so even though he was backed by scientific evidence.

What's your views on these drugs, any other drugs, and alcohol?

anyone can be an addict to anything.

drugs such as pills do actual severe damage to the brain and physical body, aside from the mental state of health.  i've been seeing it first hand. pretty grim.

eating cannabis, as far as i know, isn't harmful.  provided you're responsible.

smoking anything isn't any good.

the flip side:  80% of all the problems I see in court are a result of drugs/and-or alcohol.

Biana_Libertine wrote:

Lots of guys have told me that ecstasy causes temporary impotancy..... And how many people have unprotected sex while under the effects of alcohol?  I'm not advocating either, just saying...

Haha, thats awesome. Thats the best "Yo we don't need condoms, you won't get pregnant" excuse ever haha.

AllisonZ wrote:

I think drugs are fun and not as bad as many people think, AS LONG AS the user can use them RESPONSIBLY.

Know what your using and proped dosages for your weight. If doing something such as E, try to have it tested or look it up on pillreports.com. It may not be completely accurate but I still think its smart to check.

Know your limits. Know your surroundings, do them in a safe place, with people you can trust. Its always a good idea to have a sober person to 'babysit', some people can have crazy reactions depending on the substance and user. Also don't EVER drive while under the influence.

As long as your safe and not abusing them I think its ok. Problem is to many people aren't responsible or let themselves get addicted.

Just my opinion.

+a million to that! my thoughts exactly, anything is good in moderation, and the right enviroment.

Becca OReilly wrote:

I don't see why it's been upped from a class C to a B when it's really not that bad, it's no worse for your health than smoking fags and drinking, and I do neither of those things so surely it'd be fine if it was legalised, taxed and sold in coffee shops just like in the Netherlands? It's been proven that cannabis does NOT cause any mental health problems, but if you have an existing or underlying problem it can worsen it. But so can alcohol. I used to drink a hell of a lot and it really f**ked me up.

Thats flase then. I worked in a rehab center. You can get addicted to weed. You can also get mental health problems from it. It's a depressant and they add chemcials and such to it now too. It's not the same as it once was

Becca OReilly wrote:
and some guy was fired for saying so even though he was backed by scientific evidence.

What's your views on these drugs, any other drugs, and alcohol?

I dont think he was fired because he have backup info

he is prob fired cause:

a) he is talking about drugs at works

b) he is thinking about drugs at works

c) employer don't want to have druggies working for them

d) he is a fucking idiot for bringing up drugs conversation at works

Biana_Libertine wrote:

Lots of guys have told me that ecstasy causes temporary impotancy..... And how many people have unprotected sex while under the effects of alcohol?  I'm not advocating either, just saying...

Woah... really? All the guys I've seen on it have had a hard on for hours...

Tegan Lynn wrote:

I think what they've found is that pure MDMA is safer than alcohol. Not the stuff on the street that's cut with god knows what. Not saying it's great for you or anything... since alcohol is pretty bad for you to begin with, just that it's safer.

I tried what I was told was pure MDMA once, and the high was definately a lot different from all the E I'd tried before, so I could find these findings believable. Not that I do a ton of it or anything, I just was a curious teenager.

We have to keep in mind that the street E is an entirely different thing because it has other drugs mixed into it.

I also think a lot of people underestimate how bad alcohol is for you, because it's a legal and popular drug.

And yeah, pot is safer than alcohol (in my opinion)... not good for ya... but better than booze.

+1 to that!

Becca OReilly wrote:

Exactly I get that all the time if I go to the pub and just have 1 drink, maximum of 3, usually something moderate like archers and lemonade and always a single, my friends say I'm boring or in their words 'a dry out'. I don't like sitting getting drunk, or drinking just to get drunk, if I'm honest there's only one alcoholic drink that I like the taste of and it's a fizzy, light, low alcohol content wine. I'd rather chill out in a park, play rounders or something with a few mates and maybe ONE beer than get pi$$ed. It's really not my thing.

you're still young.  you'll probably go through a phase.  you'll emerge from that phase.

maybe you'll be a drinker, maybe you won't, maybe you'll have a legitimate drinking problem or an addiction.

anyone, anytime, anywhere.  but usually there's some trauma that brings it about.

alcohol isn't my thing either, but it doesn't mean i'm totally inexperienced with alcohol. 

Ashley Graham wrote:

Thats flase then. I worked in a rehab center. You can get addicted to weed. You can also get mental health problems from it. It's a depressant and they add chemcials and such to it now too. It's not the same as it once was

Not if you grown your own, that's much safer. Also it's not a depressant, it's actually somewhere between the depressants and the stimulants and isn't really classed under either. It's just a plant tbf.

Ashley Graham wrote:
The only honest commercial I ever saw about weed was that kid who never moved and just watched tv.

barepixels wrote:

I dont think he was fired because he have backup info

he is prob fired cause:

a) he is talking about drugs at works

b) he is thinking about drugs at works

c) employer don't want to have druggies working for them

d) he is a fucking idiot for bringing up drugs conversation at works

Talking about and experimenting with the use of drugs was his job at the government, it's what they paid him to do. Not to take the drugs himself obviously but to be testing them etc...

AJ Sullivan wrote:

Haha, thats awesome. Thats the best "Yo we don't need condoms, you won't get pregnant" excuse ever haha.

I ment like, they can't get it up....

Becca OReilly wrote:

Not if you grown your own, that's much safer. Also it's not a depressant, it's actually somewhere between the depressants and the stimulants and isn't really classed under either. It's just a plant tbf.

Its a depressant, just because it's a plant doesn't mean it doesn't somehow have an effect on your body

Biana_Libertine wrote:

I ment like, they can't get it up....

Oh that's definately not true. Whiskey dick will do that though

Biana_Libertine wrote:
how many people have unprotected sex while under the effects of alcohol?

Ah, that's true.

Tegan Lynn wrote:

I think what they've found is that pure MDMA is safer than alcohol. Not the stuff on the street that's cut with god knows what. Not saying it's great for you or anything... since alcohol is pretty bad for you to begin with, just that it's safer.

I tried what I was told was pure MDMA once, and the high was definately a lot different from all the E I'd tried before, so I could find these findings believable. Not that I do a ton of it or anything, I just was a curious teenager.

We have to keep in mind that the street E is an entirely different thing because it has other drugs mixed into it.

I also think a lot of people underestimate how bad alcohol is for you, because it's a legal and popular drug.

And yeah, pot is safer than alcohol (in my opinion)... not good for ya... but better than booze.

Yeah, we definitely don't need another legal drug on the market.  Well, pot I don't care about one way or the other, I think they should make it legal just because people will do it anyway, so why not make a profit?  But if we already have alcohol that can cause so many problems, we don't need one that is maybe only slightly better, you know?

Ashley Graham wrote:
Ecstacy will put holes in your brain. That's why they call addicts e-tards. It's also addictive and sometime cut with other kinds of drugs.

In the late 90's (I think), that reporting show "60 Minutes" did a special on Ecstasy where they explored whether or not Ecstasy actually causes brain damage.

The original study that showed E causing brain damage was a skewed study, as the test animals had the drug injected directly into their brains in MASSIVE quantities, far larger amounts than a regular user would eat, and for a much longer period of time. The E used on the test animals was also not clean MDMA. Instead, it was a mix of MDMA and methamphetamine. Meth DOES cause brain damage. In this way, it was impossible to tell whether the MDMA caused the brain damage, or the meth, or whether the overwhelming dose caused it.

People have also studied the brains of humans who've used Ecstasy and found damage to these people's brains. However, most of the test subjects in those experiments were active drug users, addicted to a variety of substances, people who were likely to mix drugs and who went though periods of dependency with assorted chemicals. This also left THAT test result questionable. These were also people who did not test the E they purchased to make sure they were always getting what they were paying for, and therefore may have been eating all types of substances sold as E, but actually containing very little MDMA, and a whole lot of dangerous fillers/drugs.

There is some, mild risk of addiction, but addiction is likely formed to the amphetamine that MDMA is commonly cut with, not to the actually Ecstasy itself. Other than mild depression from active serotonin release, there are no major withdrawal symptoms that manifest physically.

It's also possible that brain damage in humans who have prolonged exposed to Ecstasy might have obtained these "holes" from perpetual use of poor-quality E, which is often just amphetamines marketed as MDMA. Amphetamines are harmful, and cut with toxic substances. MDMA appears to be non-damaging when used from time to time, in small doses. This is why Ecstasy testing kits became available in the 90's, so people could avoid getting a harmful substance, when what they meant to purchase was MDMA-based Ecstasy. 

Unless new research has emerged relatively recently, the evidence that claims MDMA will cause holes in your brain is questionable at best.

ShivaLove wrote:

In the late 90's (I think), that reporting show "60 Minutes" did a special on Ecstasy where they explored whether or not Ecstasy actually causes brain damage.

The original study that showed E causing brain damage was a skewed study, as the test animals had the drug injected directly into their brains in MASSIVE quantities, far larger amounts than a regular user would eat, and for a much longer period of time. The E used on the test animals was also not clean MDMA. Instead, it was a mix of MDMA and methamphetamine. Meth DOES cause brain damage. In this way, it was impossible to tell whether the MDMA caused the brain damage, or the meth, or whether the overwhelming dose caused it.

People have also studied the brains of humans who've used Ecstasy and found damage to these people's brains. However, most of the test subjects in those experiments were active drug users, addicted to a variety of substances, people who were likely to mix drugs and who went though periods of dependency with assorted chemicals. This also left THAT test result questionable. These were also people who did not test the E they purchased to make sure they were always getting what they were paying for, and therefore may have been eating all types of substances sold as E, but actually containing very little MDMA, and a whole lot of dangerous fillers/drugs.

There is some, mild risk of addiction, but addiction is likely formed to the amphetamine that MDMA is commonly cut with, not to the actually Ecstasy itself. Other than mild depression from active serotonin release, there are no major withdrawal symptoms that manifest physically.

It's also possible that brain damage in humans who have prolonged exposed to Ecstasy might have obtained these "holes" from perpetual use of poor-quality E, which is often just amphetamines marketed as MDMA. Amphetamines are harmful, and cut with toxic substances. MDMA appears to be non-damaging when used from time to time, in small doses. This is why Ecstasy testing kits became available in the 90's, so people could avoid getting a harmful substance, when what they meant to purchase was MDMA-based Ecstasy. 

Unless new research has emerged relatively recently, the evidence that claims MDMA will cause holes in your brain is questionable at best.

I meant its addictive based on what exactly they put in it. And trust me I've seen people who are solely addicted to e and only have done e and weed who you really can't hold a conversation with