Becca OReilly wrote:

Not if you grown your own, that's much safer. Also it's not a depressant, it's actually somewhere between the depressants and the stimulants and isn't really classed under either. It's just a plant tbf.

Are you really believing this shit? Just a plant. well then if that's the case go smoke some Oleander and see how you feel .

Carley Lynde wrote:

Yeah, we definitely don't need another legal drug on the market.  Well, pot I don't care about one way or the other, I think they should make it legal just because people will do it anyway, so why not make a profit?  But if we already have alcohol that can cause so many problems, we don't need one that is maybe only slightly better, you know?

Ah, I'm not even touching the whole legalize not legalize issue. I think drug abuse is a problem. I think responsible drug use is not a problem. I don't really care what drug it is.

Ashley Graham wrote:

I meant its addictive based on what exactly they put in it. And trust me I've seen people who are solely addicted to e and only have done e and weed who you really can't hold a conversation with

So you're basicially you're agreeing that the MDMA itself is not addictive, it's the other crap that messes you up?

Dirty E will definately mess you up... but it's not the MDMA that's doing it...

Becca OReilly wrote:
[UK]
So there was the whole thing in the news recently about certain drugs being less harmful than alcohol, namely cannabis and ecstacy, and some guy was fired for saying so even though he was backed by scientific evidence.

What's your views on these drugs, any other drugs, and alcohol?

Can you please provide me the scientific study that says ecstacy is not causing physical damage to the brain?

The last time I looked at these studies, they were MRI images of people's brains that showed liquefaction of the tissue surrounding the chemical in brain tissue uptake regions.  I have not yet seen anything to refute these... and they were fairly amazing to look at.

Tegan Lynn wrote:

Ah, I'm not even touching the whole legalize not legalize issue. I think drug abuse is a problem. I think responsible drug use is not a problem. I don't really care what drug it is.

Isn't that the whole point of this thread?  There are certain drugs that are certainly worse than others in various ways.  It is very difficult to just "occasionally" use something like coke, meth, or other such things.  Addictive drugs should not be legal because....they are addictive.  There's no way to say "oh, I'll just do it on the weekend" with some of these drugs (or most of them).

Tegan Lynn wrote:

So you're basicially you're agreeing that the MDMA itself is not addictive, it's the other crap that messes you up?

Dirty E will definately mess you up... but it's not the MDMA that's doing it...

I still think in excess amounts any drug will fuck you up from prescirptions to tylenol

Becca OReilly wrote:
Cocaine... Now this I disagree with, it makes people aggressive, paranoid, fidgety, angry, and other similar things. It ruins your septum, is highly addictive and damages your health, it's also easy to overdose on.

there are plenty of ways to do cocaine and not all of them involve snorting

imo
drugs are bad because they are addictive. alcohol on the otherhand is not addictive-for most people. if you are addicted to it, then it's a disease and a whole other matter

Frances Jewel wrote:
Are you really believing this shit? Just a plant. well then if that's the case go smoke some Oleander and see how you feel .

lol
but it's natural...

Ashley Graham wrote:

I still think in excess amounts any drug will fuck you up from prescirptions to tylenol

I agree.  It's why I don't bother using drugs to make me feel better if I only have a minor headache/pain.  Tylenol can mess with your liver or kidneys, I believe.  Also, the more you use pain medication, the less tolerance your body will have for pain.

Faith EnFire wrote:

lol
but it's natural...

JImson Weed.

I'll probably point and laugh as your funeral rolls by- BUT it's NATURAL!!!!

Talk to anyone who studies/practices herbal medicine- NATURAL does not mean SAFE or okay to ingest/abuse/throw around like snowflakes.

Carley Lynde wrote:
Also, about ecstasy....I'm not too well-versed in the effects of drugs and whatnot, but doesn't that make you want to have sex?  While not thinking clearly, it would be all too easy to have unprotected sex, and if E were legal, can you imagine how much STDs would spread?  Doesn't sound fun to me.

On clean MDMA, you think very clearly and can consider things with a great deal of perspective. People are very communicative and enjoy interpersonal problem-solving while on MDMA.

No, it doesn't necessarily make you want to have sex. If you do it with a boyfriend/girlfriend, in a safe environment, and you already have a strong relationship with them, you might find yourself feeling more sexy than usual. Ecstasy does not just increase your sex drive out of nowhere, unless you CHOOSE during the experience to feel it that way.

That being said, I haven't used it in years, but I made some positive changes in my life as a result of the self-exploration I was able to do while using it. I also never used it regularly, only maybe 8-10 times, so I have no idea what it's really like for a long-term user.

The Original Sin wrote:

JImson Weed.

I'll probably point and laugh as your funeral rolls by- BUT it's NATURAL!!!!

Talk to anyone who studies/practices herbal medicine- NATURAL does not mean SAFE or okay to ingest/abuse/throw around like snowflakes.

I know , I was being-oh, what's the word...not ironic-ah-sarcastic

Carley Lynde wrote:

Isn't that the whole point of this thread?  There are certain drugs that are certainly worse than others in various ways.  It is very difficult to just "occasionally" use something like coke, meth, or other such things.  Addictive drugs should not be legal because....they are addictive.  There's no way to say "oh, I'll just do it on the weekend" with some of these drugs (or most of them).

No, this thread was just asking our opinions on if we thought certain drugs were safer than alcohol... not opening up the legalization can of worms.

Like I said, drug abuse is a problem. Responsible drug use is not. What drugs each person can and cannot deal with comes down to that particular person.

I know people who are completely addicted to caffeine. I know a guy who does meth about twice a year for fun.

It's all relative, and that's why there is so much controversy.

ShivaLove wrote:

On clean MDMA, you think very clearly and can consider things with a great deal of perspective. People are very communicative and enjoy interpersonal problem-solving while on MDMA.

No, it doesn't necessarily make you want to have sex. If you do it with a boyfriend/girlfriend, in a safe environment, and you already have a strong relationship with them, you might find yourself feeling more sexy than usual. Ecstasy does not just increase your sex drive out of nowhere, unless you CHOOSE during the experience to feel it that way.

That being said, I haven't used it in years, but I made some positive changes in my life as a result of the self-exploration I was able to do while using it. I also never used it regularly, only maybe 8-10 times, so I have no idea what it's really like for a long-term user.

Interesting.  Thank you for the information.

Becca OReilly wrote:
[UK]
So there was the whole thing in the news recently about certain drugs being less harmful than alcohol, namely cannabis and ecstacy, and some guy was fired for saying so even though he was backed by scientific evidence.

What's your views on these drugs, any other drugs, and alcohol?

Alcohol abuse has killed many people and ruined many lives.

Ecstasy has caused many baby-making parties, so it adds lives rather than takes them.

Cannabis has caused many people to go to jail and lose their careers, yet it hasn't directly hurt anyone.

As for the other drugs, I've tried a few and don't see what the hype is. I didn't like them.

Amanda Lentini wrote:
Wow, so an OT thread I can really go on.

Mind you there may be repeats of what people said, I'm writing as I go along.

Becca:  Really quick thing about MDMA (ecstasy).  It is currently being used by MAPS to treat PTSD in soldiers coming back from war.  So while it is not necessarily good for most people on a daily basis, there are medical studies going under way if it can be helpful for other people outside of a simple recreational method.  http://www.maps.org/mdma/
Also since in your post you didn't talk about other psychedelics (LSD, mushrooms, the 2C family, etc.) these are also probably able to fall in between cannabis and MDMA.    I'll probably get more about these as I go on.
Cocaine can be drunk in a tea (South America where the leaves can be chewed on) and if done in moderation and responsibly doesn't cause the aggression.  Also lidocaine and Novacaine are derivatives from cocaine.
Heroin could logistically be used medically (think Morphine) but I think a safer recreational opioid would be going direct to the opium plant.

Ashely:  The MDMA and holes have been debunked.  These results came from force feeding rats a surplus of what any person could probably eat in their life time.  http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin … nholes.htm   
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/md … ity3.shtml (more links throughout article)
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_illegal_ … your_brain
Also the type of addiction caused with marijuana use is a psychological addiction.  While still bad it is less dangerous then the physical addiction things like alcohol and heroin have.  It is not a depressant, it's categorized as a hallucinogen, but a mild one.  Any properties of making a person seem depressed if what state they are in when they smoke (or eat) is heightened.  The same type of thing (addiction part) applies to MDMA.

I am a proponent for full legalization and regulation across the board.  Yes, that does include for things like meth and heroin because regulated doses of this are much safer.  Age limits, set rules on where you can use (like with alcohol), and EXTREMELY harsh penalties for people who commit a crime while under the influence are examples of these.  Generally with the age limits the drugs with the POTENTIAL to be psychologically addicting (you need to either have an addictive personality or be using during a very low point in your life) and little health concerns (psychedelics, MDMA {and derivatives such as MDA and MDE}, and marijuana) at the age of 18 and those with either a high health concern or potential to be physically addicting (heroin, meth, cocaine, and possible opium... not sure if it can fit easily with the first category) at 21.

Why do I have a feeling I'm going to be running into this topic a lot?

Oh wait.......you were serious.

Becca OReilly wrote:
[UK]
So there was the whole thing in the news recently about certain drugs being less harmful than alcohol, namely cannabis and ecstacy,

You must be very young. That opinion has been around for the better part of forty years. Almost as long as I've been doing "research".

Only recently has that view started to overtake, "your brain....your brain on drugs".