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Photographer

Kent Art Photography

Posts: 3588

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

Chris Slaughter wrote:
Thanks Gaze for introducing me to this forum.  Not only is it informative, but also quite entertaining.  Ha.

It's probably more informative about some people than those people realise.

But let's not belittle the contests.  The one I vote in is excellent, and the winners are worthy winners, and they should be proud of their gold medals.  There are some very talented people on MM!

Dec 16 12 03:25 am Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8160

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

CSW Photography wrote:
How does this bathtub image...with no water...qualify?  This was a winner that clearly focuses on genitals.

https://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/po … view/48821
18+

I disagree.  This photo does not focus on genitals.  The genitals are a distraction.  This photo may be gratuitous nudity.  But I see an entire person.  Hair, eyes, breasts, lips (two sets), knees, red fabric, teeth, even a mole there by the naval.  How does that focus on genitals?  It may be what you choose to focus on.  Not just because the genitals are part of the photo.  Okay.  I am not a great photographer.  Maybe I am wrong and need to bow to your presence.  I was taught to place an eye  (or nipple or what ever I wanted to really pop out) at the intersection of the rule of third lines because the intersection of those lines is a focal point.  Am I wrong?  Does that photo have the genitals at a focal point?  Is there anything in the photo other than genitals?  Geez whiz guys!

What about the golden triangle (no pun intended)?  Are the genitals the focus by that rule?

If you don't want to be disqualified, try a more conservative approach.  Maybe enter a photo that doesn't show anything a bikini bottom would cover.  Does an entry have to have labia to be art?  Does it have to have labia to have good composition?  Does it have to have labia to be interesting?  I know a model that won't do topless.  She says, if you add a boob, the photo becomes about the boob.  She is right!  But that is an interpretation thing based on the predisposition of the viewer (including me) but that doesn't make the boob the focal point of the shot.  Just my focal point.  And a distraction.

Look back in this thread.  There were complaints about how only the "pussy parade" shots (thanks for that quote JoJo- it keeps me awake at night) always seem to win.  The blow back was that more people seem to be voting.  Now the artistic merit of the winners often includes shots that are not just about the "half clams or whole clams".  (Another quote from JoJo that has caused a change in eating habits). 

Lighten up!  Be thankful that you are good enough in your photography that you can enter pictures that crack (no pun intended) 5 votes.  Be a little more introspective of your work, and the art, the clam thingy has a very limited market and appeal.  I am sure I would never be allowed to hang such a shot on my living room wall!  And if I need a shot with labia to get a descent number of votes, then what is that saying about my photography skills?  And the voters?

Do you have any concept about how you guys sound to the dispassionate reader?  You are scary!

JoJo, you are amazing to be able to do this job.

Dec 17 12 08:07 am Link

Photographer

Gaze at Photography

Posts: 4371

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US

The word "Focus" has been replaced with "Emphasis"

Seems photographers thought it meant Focus... 

Emphasis on genitalia. 

Ask yourself:  Is the genitalia the only thing that makes the picture 18+?   That might constitute emphasis, might not.  Is the genitalia up close and personal?  IF yes to both...  probable DQ

IMO

Dec 18 12 04:45 am Link

Model

BellaStacie

Posts: 373

Hollywood, Florida, US

CSW Photography wrote:
JoJo, you are amazing to be able to do this job.

Exactly JoJo does an amazing job,she has taken a quite difficult job into her life so were able to show our talents. Even though you might disagree with some of the things she decides on,just move on and adjust.
  Some of my images have been DQ'ed I questioned it,JoJo explained and I excepted and just adjusted

   Just my $0.02  smile

Dec 19 12 01:06 am Link

Photographer

billy badfinger

Posts: 887

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

http://thenudemonkii.files.wordpress.co … 08/436.jpg

It's good that the word "focus" has been replaced in the rules...but...the replacement term,(emphasis),is NOT the best choice...it's also subject to confusion and VERY broad interpretations.
The image above COULD be DQ'd...it only shows the pubic/genital area.No boobs,torso,shoulders...
However,
I don't believe that the "emphasis" is the genitals...there is her face,hair,expression,sweater,the light and composition...
BUT,
because her pubic area is "the only element that makes it an 18+ image"...
it COULD be interpreted as "emphasized"...
I completely disagree with that possible interpretation though.
A large % of bottomless erotica could be DQ'd according to that thinking.
If the model had been fully nude,the shot makes it into the
contest every time.
And quite honestly,I don't think anybody would judge the above example as offensive,crude or pornographic.

Thanks for listening.

Dec 20 12 05:03 pm Link

Photographer

Gaze at Photography

Posts: 4371

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US

billy badfinger wrote:
http://thenudemonkii.files.wordpress.co … 08/436.jpg

It's good that the word "focus" has been replaced in the rules...but...the replacement term,(emphasis),is NOT the best choice...it's also subject to confusion and VERY broad interpretations.
The image above COULD be DQ'd...it only shows the pubic/genital area.No boobs,torso,shoulders...
However,
I don't believe that the "emphasis" is the genitals...there is her face,hair,expression,sweater,the light and composition...
BUT,
because her pubic area is "the only element that makes it an 18+ image"...
it COULD be interpreted as "emphasized"...
I completely disagree with that possible interpretation though.
A large % of bottomless erotica could be DQ'd according to that thinking.
If the model had been fully nude,the shot makes it into the
contest every time.
And quite honestly,I don't think anybody would judge the above example as offensive,crude or pornographic.

Thanks for listening.

That image shows very little genitalia.  It shows pubic hair and a little outer labia, and a small peek of inner labia and hood.  Tiny.  Not considered genitalia, IMO, rather a full frontal.  Certainly not an anatomy class.

Nice pic too.

Dec 20 12 08:15 pm Link

Photographer

Kent Art Photography

Posts: 3588

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

billy badfinger wrote:
http://thenudemonkii.files.wordpress.co … 08/436.jpg

It's good that the word "focus" has been replaced in the rules...but...the replacement term,(emphasis),is NOT the best choice...it's also subject to confusion and VERY broad interpretations.
The image above COULD be DQ'd...it only shows the pubic/genital area.No boobs,torso,shoulders...
However,
I don't believe that the "emphasis" is the genitals...there is her face,hair,expression,sweater,the light and composition...
BUT,
because her pubic area is "the only element that makes it an 18+ image"...
it COULD be interpreted as "emphasized"...
I completely disagree with that possible interpretation though.
A large % of bottomless erotica could be DQ'd according to that thinking.
If the model had been fully nude,the shot makes it into the
contest every time.
And quite honestly,I don't think anybody would judge the above example as offensive,crude or pornographic.

Thanks for listening.

Has this pic been disqualified?

Dec 21 12 02:16 am Link

Photographer

billy badfinger

Posts: 887

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

No.
I used that pic as an example of what was explained to me as a possible
unacceptable image according to the "emphasis" rule.
(Someone further up this page also had this explained evidently.)

I happen to like "bottomless erotica"...but according to the explaination I recieved
from JoJo,
Because the pubic/genital area is the only element (in bottomless pix) that qualify the image as 18+,it can be considered "emphasis"...and DQ'd.
It sounds like your better off having the model topless or fully nude...
frontal bottomless pics seem to trigger the "emphasis" ruling...

At least that's the way I currently understand it...

Dec 21 12 11:10 am Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8160

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

Bold is quoted below.  Not bold is my comment.

billy badfinger wrote:
http://thenudemonkii.files.wordpress.co … 08/436.jpg
[/quote=billy badfinger]



Gaze at Photography wrote:
The word "Focus" has been replaced with "Emphasis"

Seems photographers thought it meant Focus... 

Emphasis on genitalia. 

Ask yourself: 



Is the genitalia the only thing that makes the picture 18+?   That might constitute emphasis, might not.


Ok, the pubic area is the only thing to make this 18+

Is the genitalia up close and personal?

the pubic area is not up close and personal.

  IF yes to both...  probable DQ   so, no.  Why should this be DQ based on these criteria?  (edit) It should not.

Dec 21 12 01:09 pm Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

billy badfinger wrote:
No.
I used that pic as an example of what was explained to me as a possible
unacceptable image according to the "emphasis" rule.
(Someone further up this page also had this explained evidently.)

I happen to like "bottomless erotica"...but according to the explaination I recieved
from JoJo,
Because the pubic/genital area is the only element (in bottomless pix) that qualify the image as 18+,it can be considered "emphasis"...and DQ'd.
It sounds like your better off having the model topless or fully nude...
frontal bottomless pics seem to trigger the "emphasis" ruling...

At least that's the way I currently understand it...

Quoting from a message I sent you?
Please cite.

Dec 21 12 01:15 pm Link

Photographer

billy badfinger

Posts: 887

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Before I reply let me just say that I am in no way challenging anyones authority
or judgment...I'm not suggesting that the contests are poorly managed and I'm
not simply whining because I had an entry DQ'd...

What I am hoping for is an informative discussion on how the "emphasis" ruling gets applied.

JoJo,
I wasn't quoting you...I was paraphrasing your reply to an inquiry
I made in this forum back in early Nov. re: a submission that was DQ'd...

A week or so after that I submitted an image of a model reclining on a couch wearing just the top half of her business suit,some stockings and some black heels.
Her pubic area is shaved but it's hardly what I would call an obscene or pornographic image...you can see similar pics in Playboy every month.
(Which I thought was OK here on MM.)
That image was also DQ'd...the common element in both was a bottomless model.
That is how I surmised what I said earlier on this page.

If you say Bottomless=Emphasis...I guess I have to live with that...You are after all "The Supreme Court" around here...
I just disagree and think a legit style of erotica is being judged incorrectly.

I welcome your comments...(I think!)

Dec 21 12 04:32 pm Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

billy badfinger wrote:
Before I reply let me just say that I am in no way challenging anyones authority
or judgment...I'm not suggesting that the contests are poorly managed and I'm
not simply whining because I had an entry DQ'd...

What I am hoping for is an informative discussion on how the "emphasis" ruling gets applied.

JoJo,
I wasn't quoting you...I was paraphrasing your reply to an inquiry
I made in this forum back in early Nov. re: a submission that was DQ'd...

A week or so after that I submitted an image of a model reclining on a couch wearing just the top half of her business suit,some stockings and some black heels.
Her pubic area is shaved but it's hardly what I would call an obscene or pornographic image...you can see similar pics in Playboy every month.
(Which I thought was OK here on MM.)
That image was also DQ'd...the common element in both was a bottomless model.
That is how I surmised what I said earlier on this page.

If you say Bottomless=Emphasis...I guess I have to live with that...You are after all "The Supreme Court" around here...
I just disagree and think a legit style of erotica is being judged incorrectly.

I welcome your comments...(I think!)

If you are going to claim I said something then back up this claim with the COMPLETE and EXACT quote…. and a cite.
Never play the  game with quotes.
Never paraphrase without making it abundantly clear that you are indeed paraphrasing.

I have gone back to mid September searching your disqualifications looking for this “model reclining on a couch wearing just the top half of her business suit,some stockings and some black heels” image.
October 29 disqualification – no business suit in that one
November 3 disqualification – no business suit in that one
November 8 disqualification – no business suit in that one
November 10 disqualification – no business suit in that one
These four entries were disqualified as they violated the “emphasis on genitalia” rule.

I did find an entry for the December 16 contest that would fit the above description…
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/contest/ … 00-big.jpg
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/contest/ … -small.jpg
This entry was incomplete because of the CDN server issue. It was removed – NOT disqualified.

So, who told you your December 14 entry was disqualified for violating the “emphasis on genitalia” rule?

You are desirous of having an informative discussion?
Let’s get the facts straight first… not to mention the quotes.

Dec 21 12 11:30 pm Link

Photographer

billy badfinger

Posts: 887

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Ummm,
Actually I'm too stupid to know what a CDN server issue is...
or what removal vs. DQ is...

Nobody TOLD me that image was DQ'd...(members are not informed of that.)...and so members many times will just assume a DQ has happened.

I really appreciate the info you provided but,I'm getting the feeling that here,in the POTD18+ DISCUSSION thread,that
my ACTUAL question re: how "emphasis" is determined will never
actually be answered.

You seem angry about something...apologies if I've pissed you off.
That was never my intention.

Dec 22 12 06:22 am Link

Photographer

Gaze at Photography

Posts: 4371

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US

Hunter Wald wrote:

billy badfinger wrote:
http://thenudemonkii.files.wordpress.co … 08/436.jpg
[/quote=billy badfinger]


Bold is quoted below.  Not bold is my comment.

Gaze at Photography wrote:
The word "Focus" has been replaced with "Emphasis"

Seems photographers thought it meant Focus... 

Emphasis on genitalia. 

Ask yourself: 



Is the genitalia the only thing that makes the picture 18+?   That might constitute emphasis, might not.


Ok, the pubic area is the only thing to make this 18+

Is the genitalia up close and personal?

the pubic area is not up close and personal.

  IF yes to both...  probable DQ   so, no.  Why should this be DQ based on these criteria?

It would not be.  IMO

Dec 22 12 07:57 am Link

Photographer

Gaze at Photography

Posts: 4371

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US

I don't want to portray that I have a role is this, I'm not a Mod, I just understand it and am offering my opinion.

I've had my fair share of DQ's, but I also use CAM to ask Questions about a particular pic.

The Mods are more than happy to answer a CAM with disqualifying notes about your pic if you send them a link or insert it in the CAM.  This will help you understand the rules and prevent long "what if" conversations in here.

Dec 22 12 08:05 am Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8160

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

Gaze at Photography wrote:
I don't want to portray that I have a role is this, I'm not a Mod, I just understand it and am offering my opinion.

I've had my fair share of DQ's, but I also use CAM to ask Questions about a particular pic.

The Mods are more than happy to answer a CAM with disqualifying notes about your pic if you send them a link or insert it in the CAM.  This will help you understand the rules and prevent long "what if" conversations in here.

Thank you for clarifying.  Your point of view was a reasonable interpretation and guide.  I thought any way.   Not like I have any say either. 

It is also good that you pointed out  "The Mods are more than happy to answer a CAM with disqualifying notes about your pic if you send them a link or insert it in the CAM.  This will help you understand the rules and prevent long "what if" conversations in here. "   I thought it was worth repeating again.

I think it's fun watching the people go nuts over a disqualification, like it is going to matter in five years.   Not much happens in this thread when people calm down.

Dec 22 12 10:42 am Link

Photographer

Blaine Dixon

Posts: 1993

San Francisco, California, US

zoomring photo wrote:
"First they came for the unionists, but I was not a unionist. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew ". . . . . Isn't that how that goes?

But actually, doing moderation with a peer panel having  photographers on it is a very good idea. If not the day to day, at least review of the significant stuff. This would end the autocracy and create goodwill.

Another constructive idea: Pre-submission review of images which might be close to the line. This would avoid the "guillotene" phenomenon. Review  could be by a peer panel acting in an advisory capacity to the mod.

THis!

Dec 22 12 11:43 am Link

Photographer

Blaine Dixon

Posts: 1993

San Francisco, California, US

zoomring photo wrote:
I made a couple of specific suggestions, apparently they didn't register. End the autocracy.  A peer panel to do advance review of uncertain submissions and significant moderator actions. Above all a change of attitude toward users.

"above all a change of attitude toward users"

This this this! also a change of attitude of photographers toward each other

Dec 22 12 11:48 am Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

billy badfinger wrote:
Ummm,
Actually I'm too stupid to know what a CDN server issue is...
or what removal vs. DQ is...

Nobody TOLD me that image was DQ'd...(members are not informed of that.)...and so members many times will just assume a DQ has happened.

I really appreciate the info you provided but,I'm getting the feeling that here,in the POTD18+ DISCUSSION thread,that
my ACTUAL question re: how "emphasis" is determined will never
actually be answered.

You seem angry about something...apologies if I've pissed you off.
That was never my intention.

OK, so let’s start fresh here…

For the past 2 week there has been a site-wide problem with the display of images and avatars.
The contests have been experiencing an almost 40% failure rate in the display of either the big picture or the thumbnail… that’s over 100 entries per day that should have been in the contests that didn’t make it.
The CDN is the image/avatar server complex that houses the 100+/- million images on MM.

Disqualification vs Removal:
If a member’s entry is disqualified for violating the image rules the image disappears from the contest.
Each disqualification adds a ‘black mark’ against the submitter in my disqualification notes (and my disqualification notes detail every disqualification from all the contests going back almost 4 years).
I work with the current record of a member going back XX days so only recent disqualifications are considered (just like the points on your driver’s license). If the member accumulates YY violations over those XX days I send them an RCAM (Reverse CAM) advising them that they really need to change their submission criteria. If the member does not then they win a free 15-day vacation from the contests. If after their 15 days off they fail to come into line with the MM rules they win a 1 month suspension… and after that the member is permanently banned from all MM contests.

I use the 15-day suspension VERY rarely.
Currently there is 1 member on a 15 day suspension – 0 on 1 month suspensions – 12 members have been permanently banned from all the MM contests.

Removal of an image (as opposed to disqualification) from the contest does not create a ‘black mark’ against the submitter.

Emphasis on Genitalia:
(note to everyone reading this – read it ALL – don’t cherry-pick snippets from this)
If the whole point of an image is to display the model’s genitalia to the viewer then you have “emphasis on genitalia”. A close-up of a model’s labia is a prime example.
If the image is of a model facing away from the lens on hands and knees (doggie style) with her posterior in the air showing her genitalia, you have emphasis on genitalia.
If the image is of a model in such a pose that the genitalia is positioned in the viewer’s face, you have emphasis on genitalia.
If the image is of a model in a spread-eagle pose (standing or reclined) and the photographer shoots the genitalia in the foreground, you have emphasis on genitalia.
If the focus, the focal point, the DOF, the lighting, the shadowing, the pose, the angle, the positioning of the model is designed or intended to emphasize the genitalia….
If the post work accentuates/adds colouration/pigmentation/size to the genitalia then you have emphasis on genitalia.
(there are many more specifics but I think you get the idea)
Each of these things by themselves may or may not constitute a breech of the “emphasis on genitalia” rule but each contributes.
Also please keep in mind that we are dealing with art here – each image has to be considered on its own merit - there is no mathematical formula that can be applied to allow or disallow any image.
The rationalization of “my image is just like this other image – you allowed that image but DQd mine” just doesn’t work. The two images are not the same.
If you want to see a visualization of how the “emphasis on genitalia” rule works look at the last few days of the contest – what you see is acceptable so you can see where the line is drawn. All you have to do is bracket your entry into what you see.
If you choose to push the limits of what you see you run the chance of having your entry disqualified.
If you want to step over the line and submit an obvious violation your entry will be disqualified.
Those members that you see with entries in the contest every day don’t have some “special in” with me, there’s no favouritism, they have not “paid me off” – they have figured out where the acceptable line is and they tailor their images to just an infinitesimal increment back from the line.


Am I pissed off with you for asking? – no

I am pissed off with people continually asking the same question? – yes – there is no magic formula that can be stated in 25 words or less… much less 250 words, or even 2500 words.

How do I decide which images are acceptable and which are not?
I look at each and every picture submitted, weight what I see and decide from there. I have done this with more than ¾ of a million images that have been submitted to the contests over the past almost 4 years.

Dec 22 12 02:53 pm Link

Photographer

Shutterbug

Posts: 202

San Francisco, California, US

And a Merry Christmas to all.

PS: I don't recall getting any "shape up or ship out" RCAM warnings before the recent banishment. The above exposition amounts to a "it is what I say it is" standard. Though I dont care for that or for autocracy in general, I decided I would have to accept it.

What I won't accept is having to risk my standing on the site every time I submit an image. If I have to choose between sticking my neck in a guillotene and submitting only  absolutely safe and tame poses, I will choose not to participate at all. While I don't compare myself to Wharhol, Maplethorpe or other boundary pushers, and while I am *not* writing this to merely assert a right to break the rules, art *is* about testing the envelope.

Dec 22 12 03:20 pm Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

zoomring photo wrote:
And a Merry Christmas to all.

PS: I don't recall getting any "shape up or ship out" RCAM warnings before the recent banishment. The above exposition amounts to a "it is what I say it is" standard. Though I dont care for that or for autocracy in general, I decided I would have to accept it.

What I won't accept is having to risk my standing on the site every time I submit an image. If I have to choose between sticking my neck in a guillotene and submitting only  absolutely safe and tame poses, I will choose not to participate at all. While I don't compare myself to Wharhol, Maplethorpe or other boundary pushers, and while I am *not* writing this to merely assert a right to break the rules, art *is* about testing the envelope.

a. you were not banished - you were suspended for 15 days - your suspension has ended.

Why were you suspended? You submitted an image that was SO FAR over the line. That coupled with a long list of image based disqualifications took your specific case directly to the suspension state.


b. if you don't want to run the risk of having your image disqualified enter images that you know are acceptable.

You have served your suspension time - next time don't enter an image that is SO FAR over the line that even Stevie Wonder would disqualify it.

and a big HoHoHo from JoJoJo wink

Dec 22 12 04:20 pm Link

Photographer

Gaze at Photography

Posts: 4371

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US

""art *is* about testing the envelope.""


Yes, it is,  but this contest is not.

and Happy Holiday to everyone....

Dec 22 12 04:36 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8160

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

zoomring photo wrote:
"art *is* about testing the envelope."

No.  Art can be about testing the envelope.  Testing the envelope is a choice applied to art, not a definition of art.   And if that choice is made, there are other ways to test the envelope. 

I agree with Gaze, the contest is not about testing the envelope.

Dec 22 12 04:51 pm Link

Photographer

Shutterbug

Posts: 202

San Francisco, California, US

>>That coupled with a long list of image based disqualifications took your specific case directly to the suspension state. >>

Other than the "outrageous" one you took such offense to, one DQ'd image was from August and the other was from October. I submitted on an almost-daily basis during this period. Three of these images were relied on. All three showed a whole person, which is my personal standard. None had any editing to highlight genitals. I didn't think any of them could be taken as offensive, especially within the context of an 18+ contest, but that's a matter of taste.

Oh, and I posted a lot in here to question the vagueness of the standard and the autocracy in general.

And no, clearly, the contest isn't about pushing anything, thus not about art.

Dec 22 12 04:56 pm Link

Artist/Painter

Hunter GWPB

Posts: 8160

King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US

zoomring photo wrote:
Oh, and I posted a lot in here to question the vagueness of the standard and the autocracy in general.

And no, clearly, the contest isn't about pushing anything, thus not about art.

Is anyone making you play in this sandbox?  Why all the anger?  The contest is about art to me.   Not genitals.

Dec 22 12 07:05 pm Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

Moderator Note!

zoomring photo wrote:
>>That coupled with a long list of image based disqualifications took your specific case directly to the suspension state. >>

Other than the "outrageous" one you took such offense to, one DQ'd image was from August and the other was from October. I submitted on an almost-daily basis during this period. Three of these images were relied on. All three showed a whole person, which is my personal standard. None had any editing to highlight genitals. I didn't think any of them could be taken as offensive, especially within the context of an 18+ contest, but that's a matter of taste.

Oh, and I posted a lot in here to question the vagueness of the standard and the autocracy in general.

And no, clearly, the contest isn't about pushing anything, thus not about art.

Enough.
From this point forward I am very politely requesting that you use CAM, and only CAM, to communicate about any contest.

JoJo
Contest Admin

Dec 22 12 10:28 pm Link

Photographer

Z_Photo

Posts: 7079

Huntsville, Alabama, US

merry crotchmas

Dec 25 12 06:12 am Link

Photographer

Kent Art Photography

Posts: 3588

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

lol

Dec 25 12 06:15 am Link

Photographer

the other studio

Posts: 5

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Good evening I posted this image 2 days ago in the POTD +18 contest, but it never came up for voting?


Thanks

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31059531

Dec 25 12 08:16 pm Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

the other studio wrote:
Good evening I posted this image 2 days ago in the POTD +18 contest, but it never came up for voting?


Thanks

https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31059531

and here's what it looked like when we received it
https://photos.modelmayhem.com/contest/ … 72-big.jpg

When a bad upload happens I remove the entry - this way you can submit it again without running afoul of the 15-day rule.

Dec 25 12 10:18 pm Link

Photographer

the other studio

Posts: 5

Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US

Thank you.....

Dec 26 12 03:45 pm Link

Photographer

toesup

Posts: 1240

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

Could I make a suggestion..

When I pic is deleted from the 18+ contest due to a bad upload.. or even because it's outside of the rules, could there be some sort of automated message that is sent out telling the author it has been removed..

I've had a pic not show up in the contest and I'm not sure if it was a bad upload or if it was DQ'd...

Dec 26 12 05:35 pm Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

toesup wrote:
Could I make a suggestion..

When I pic is deleted from the 18+ contest due to a bad upload.. or even because it's outside of the rules, could there be some sort of automated message that is sent out telling the author it has been removed..

I've had a pic not show up in the contest and I'm not sure if it was a bad upload or if it was DQ'd...

You have had three images recently removed from the contests, 1 for 15-day violation, 1 image rule violation and 1 removal of a bad upload.

Why are members not sent messages advising them an entry was disqualified/removed?
I don’t have the time.
I disqualify about 100 images from the PotD and PotD18+ for all sorts of reasons including violation of the image rules and violation of the 15-day rule.
It takes about 2 minutes to write and send a message and also document and add the information to the member’s account information.
That’s 200 minutes.
About 50% of those disqualified will want to discuss the matter further. Each reply takes on average about 4 minutes.
That’s another 200 minutes of writing, bringing the daily total of time required to advise members to 400 minutes… so with 1 coffee break that’s 7 hours of work.

Add that 7 hours per day to the 7 hours per day I already spend taking care of all the contests and my other duties here on MM.
That’s a 14 hour work day or a 98 hour work week (yes, I work 7 days a week - 365 days a year)
There have been days when I don’t leave MM until after 05:00AM.

That’s why wink

Here’s a utility to keep you from running afoul of the 15 day rule
https://www.sendu.me.uk/modelmayhem/15_day/?mm_id=69237

If you are concerned about an entry you can always send me a CAM. It is rare that a contest CAM goes unanswered for more than 6 or 7 hours.

Dec 26 12 11:05 pm Link

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toesup

Posts: 1240

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

JoJo wrote:

Why are members not sent messages advising them an entry was disqualified/removed?
I don’t have the time.
I disqualify about 100 images from the PotD and PotD18+ for all sorts of reasons including violation of the image rules and violation of the 15-day rule.
It takes about 2 minutes to write and send a message and also document and add the information to the member’s account information.
That’s 200 minutes.
About 50% of those disqualified will want to discuss the matter further. Each reply takes on average about 4 minutes.
That’s another 200 minutes of writing, bringing the daily total of time required to advise members to 400 minutes… so with 1 coffee break that’s 7 hours of work.

I did say 'automated'.. a message that goes out automatically..

Thanks for the reply Jojo.. I'll have to re submit some of the pics..

Dec 26 12 11:58 pm Link

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K E E L I N G

Posts: 39894

Peoria, Illinois, US

JoJo wrote:

You have had three images recently removed from the contests, 1 for 15-day violation, 1 image rule violation and 1 removal of a bad upload.

Why are members not sent messages advising them an entry was disqualified/removed?
I don’t have the time.
I disqualify about 100 images from the PotD and PotD18+ for all sorts of reasons including violation of the image rules and violation of the 15-day rule.
It takes about 2 minutes to write and send a message and also document and add the information to the member’s account information.
That’s 200 minutes.
About 50% of those disqualified will want to discuss the matter further. Each reply takes on average about 4 minutes.
That’s another 200 minutes of writing, bringing the daily total of time required to advise members to 400 minutes… so with 1 coffee break that’s 7 hours of work.

Add that 7 hours per day to the 7 hours per day I already spend taking care of all the contests and my other duties here on MM.
That’s a 14 hour work day or a 98 hour work week (yes, I work 7 days a week - 365 days a year)
There have been days when I don’t leave MM until after 05:00AM.

That’s why wink

Here’s a utility to keep you from running afoul of the 15 day rule
https://www.sendu.me.uk/modelmayhem/15_day/?mm_id=69237

If you are concerned about an entry you can always send me a CAM. It is rare that a contest CAM goes unanswered for more than 6 or 7 hours.

Copy.. paste.. and ignore.

No extra time out of your day and contestants aren't left in the dark.  With the current system in place where everything disappears the moment you enter and on top of that a 2 day wait, the average player assumes he's in the contest when he hits the submit button.  Running around having to look for our entries 2 days later is frustrating and quite frankly a tacky way to run the contest.

The simple solution is to copy.. paste.. and ignore. 

You can even put in the copy/paste that no further discussion on the matter will be entertained.  100 qualifications x 10 seconds = 17 minutes.  It's worth 17 minutes to help the contest run smoothly for the contestants.

I absolutely hate the choice that was made to make the que invisible to us, you can't fathom how much I hate it, haha, but if for whatever reason the powers that be think it's a good idea then there has to be a method in place to notify us when something's wrong.  We can't see it for ourselves.

Dec 27 12 12:33 am Link

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JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

K E E L I N G wrote:
Copy.. paste.. and ignore.

No extra time out of your day and contestants aren't left in the dark.  With the current system in place where everything disappears the moment you enter and on top of that a 2 day wait, the average player assumes he's in the contest when he hits the submit button.  Running around having to look for our entries 2 days later is frustrating and quite frankly a tacky way to run the contest.

The simple solution is to copy.. paste.. and ignore. 

You can even put in the copy/paste that no further discussion on the matter will be entertained.  100 qualifications x 10 seconds = 17 minutes.  It's worth 17 minutes to help the contest run smoothly for the contestants.

I absolutely hate the choice that was made to make the que invisible to us, you can't fathom how much I hate it, haha, but if for whatever reason the powers that be think it's a good idea then there has to be a method in place to notify us when something's wrong.  We can't see it for ourselves.

You are preaching to the choir.
The 2-day queue was brought in by my boss at IB... to save me time. (you figure that one out - I can't wink)

Copy + paste + send * 100 = 17 minutes. Sending the message is the easy part.
You forgot about the documenting in the DQ file and the notations that are made in the member's file... 100 * 1.75 minutes = 175 minutes.
Then there's the "whadya mean" responses to my cut n paste messages.
Are you suggesting I just delete them? Then what was the point in sending them in the first place?
I have to respond... and the responses are time consuming part of the job.

Why the hidden queue?
The answer is simple - the bozos that upload the full spreads, the sex pics, the outright porn, the defecation/urination pics, the bukaki pics, even kiddie pics.... yup, every damn day some bozo decided to upload this "stuff".
I had one guy upload a pic of 2 horses copulating... and he got all upset when I disqualified the pic and terminated his account wink
That's why the queues are closed.

Dec 27 12 01:43 am Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

and here it is 04:48AM... and I still have another hour of work before I am done for the night.

Dec 27 12 01:48 am Link

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toesup

Posts: 1240

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

JoJo wrote:
Copy + paste + send * 100 = 17 minutes. Sending the message is the easy part.
You forgot about the documenting in the DQ file and the notations that are made in the member's file... 100 * 1.75 minutes = 175 minutes.

If it was written in to the admin code, when you removed a pic from the 18+ contest, then all it would need is a pop up box with two options..
1/ Image did not load, please re submit.
2/ Image was DQ"d..
That would automatically go on the members file when it was sent out..

Would that not also save you time Jojo?..

Dec 27 12 08:28 am Link

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toesup

Posts: 1240

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

I also have another question Jojo..

If an image is allowed to be included in a members portfolio following a discussion with a moderator (it follows MM's 18+ policy) then is it also allowable to be entered in the 18+ contest?..

Portfolio's and the 18+ contest run on the same rules I assume..

Dec 27 12 08:34 am Link

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Blaine Dixon

Posts: 1993

San Francisco, California, US

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Dec 27 12 09:19 am Link