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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


toesup wrote:
If it was written in to the admin code, when you removed a pic from the 18+ contest, then all it would need is a pop up box with two options..
1/ Image did not load, please re submit.
2/ Image was DQ"d..
That would automatically go on the members file when it was sent out..

Would that not also save you time Jojo?..

You’re trying to be logical on MM.

I’m still waiting for bug fixes to the contest code from 2 years ago.

'Nuff said?

Dec 27 12 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
toesup
Posts: 1,033
Templeton, California, US


JoJo wrote:

You’re trying to be logical on MM.

I’m still waiting for bug fixes to the contest code from 2 years ago.

'Nuff said?

LOL JoJo... yeah, I guess so!

But it might (yeah, right) be worth suggesting..

Dec 27 12 11:13 am  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


toesup wrote:
I also have another question Jojo..

If an image is allowed to be included in a members portfolio following a discussion with a moderator (it follows MM's 18+ policy) then is it also allowable to be entered in the 18+ contest?..

Portfolio's and the 18+ contest run on the same rules I assume..

If you want to ask about the admissibility of an image to the contests I suggest you send me a CAM. In the CAM cite a URL of where I can view the image.

Dec 27 12 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K E E L I N G
Posts: 39,777
Peoria, Illinois, US


JoJo wrote:

You are preaching to the choir.
The 2-day queue was brought in by my boss at IB... to save me time. (you figure that one out - I can't wink)

Copy + paste + send * 100 = 17 minutes. Sending the message is the easy part.
You forgot about the documenting in the DQ file and the notations that are made in the member's file... 100 * 1.75 minutes = 175 minutes.
Then there's the "whadya mean" responses to my cut n paste messages.
Are you suggesting I just delete them? Then what was the point in sending them in the first place?
I have to respond... and the responses are time consuming part of the job.

Why the hidden queue?
The answer is simple - the bozos that upload the full spreads, the sex pics, the outright porn, the defecation/urination pics, the bukaki pics, even kiddie pics.... yup, every damn day some bozo decided to upload this "stuff".
I had one guy upload a pic of 2 horses copulating... and he got all upset when I disqualified the pic and terminated his account wink
That's why the queues are closed.

I've never had any doubt you're doing what you have to do and not what you want to do, and I sympathize with you about it.  No one's ever been under any impression that anyone at IB understands this site.

All the same, you have to log the dq's and stuff whether you copy and paste or not, so it's still just an extra 17 minutes.  And no, you don't have to respond to their follow up question or bitch.  Like I said, put a note in the copy and paste saying this is the only correspondence there'll be.

Like I said, it's just a suggestion, and I don't blame you for not wanting to add any extra work to a process that you already volunteer a ton of time toward with pretty selfless motives.

Dec 27 12 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
toesup
Posts: 1,033
Templeton, California, US


JoJo wrote:

If you want to ask about the admissibility of an image to the contests I suggest you send me a CAM. In the CAM cite a URL of where I can view the image.

CAM sent..

Thank you JoJo

Dec 27 12 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lifestyle_Images
Posts: 3,982
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


K E E L I N G wrote:
I've never had any doubt you're doing what you have to do and not what you want to do, and I sympathize with you about it.  No one's ever been under any impression that anyone at IB understands this site.

All the same, you have to log the dq's and stuff whether you copy and paste or not, so it's still just an extra 17 minutes.  And no, you don't have to respond to their follow up question or bitch.  Like I said, put a note in the copy and paste saying this is the only correspondence there'll be.

Like I said, it's just a suggestion, and I don't blame you for not wanting to add any extra work to a process that you already volunteer a ton of time toward with pretty selfless motives.

I agree that IB has no clue what this site is about, but the folks at MM who slog out tasks manually that every other site in the world handles automatically do so willingly and with a fair number of built in excuses and indemnifications (we asked, but IB won't do it, etc.).

Could the site and contests run more efficiently, more fairly and more automatically?  Of course.  Will they?  Not likely. As long as people click through from the edge-pushing porn to a page that has an ad on it somewhere on the site, IB is happy.  If IB is happy, then nothing else really matters.  Certainly not what some user who submits to a contest that doesn't even generate any direct ad revenue wants or thinks would improve their user experience.

Dec 27 12 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


I have to say that this forum is the most entertaining of the few I visit...

IB or not...  I get it.  It brings a smile a few times a week for those that don't get it.

Or those that do, but would rather whine...   You know who you are!

Carry on...
Dec 27 12 09:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 1,224
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US


The reading here is getting kind of thin!
Dec 30 12 05:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SCR
Posts: 19
Seattle, Washington, US


So...this has probably been discussed but I can't go through 128 pages of discussion; that would prove a bit cumbersome. Yell at me if you want.

Why isn't there a bit of code in the contests to notify the contest participant that their picture has been rejected for either editorial reasons or when exceeding the 100-entry cap? I find it extremely frustrating when submitting images that don't show up in the contest but not knowing why.
Was the image rejected for being too racy? Or was it just fine but missed the 100 entry cap and I should resubmit another day?

It seems to me that this bit of code would be very easy to implement. Not doing so seems rather lazy, and an insult to the paid subscribers like myself who would like to be participating in these contests.
Jan 02 13 09:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,598
Houston, Texas, US


The rules my status but there is no 100 entry cap. In the list of runners up it states right at the top how many entrieswere there were. In the regular POTD More than 100 entries are routinely shown.
Jan 02 13 09:35 am  Link  Quote 
Model
JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


SaltCityRed wrote:
So...this has probably been discussed but I can't go through 128 pages of discussion; that would prove a bit cumbersome. Yell at me if you want.

Why isn't there a bit of code in the contests to notify the contest participant that their picture has been rejected for either editorial reasons or when exceeding the 100-entry cap? I find it extremely frustrating when submitting images that don't show up in the contest but not knowing why.
Was the image rejected for being too racy? Or was it just fine but missed the 100 entry cap and I should resubmit another day?

It seems to me that this bit of code would be very easy to implement. Not doing so seems rather lazy, and an insult to the paid subscribers like myself who would like to be participating in these contests.

The 100 image cap was removed more than a year ago.


If you (or any member) would like to know why your entry was excluded from the contest please send me a CAM.
But before you send off that CAM check this utility:
http://www.sendu.me.uk/modelmayhem/15_d … id=2141825
to make sure your entry was not in violation of the 15 day rule.
Also, read and understand the image rules http://www.modelmayhem.com/help/rules/images
If your response to the image rules is “but they are so loosely written – I want specifics”, here are several hundred (actually thousands) of acceptable entries as examples http://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/pot … le/winners
Look at these acceptable images and learn.
If a specific image you submit is continually disqualified don’t submit it again… there is obviously something in that image causing the violation and disqualification.

If you still can’t figure out why your entry was not in the contest then send that CAM – I will respond fairly quickly, almost always within 6 hours.

Jan 02 13 12:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SCR
Posts: 19
Seattle, Washington, US


JoJo wrote:
The 100 image cap was removed more than a year ago.

This page says there is a 100 image cap for 18+
http://www.modelmayhem.com/help/rules/contests/potd18

and this page says there is a 200 image cap for the original contest
http://www.modelmayhem.com/help/rules/contests/potd

JoJo wrote:
But before you send off that CAM check this utility:
http://www.sendu.me.uk/modelmayhem/15_d … id=2141825
to make sure your entry was not in violation of the 15 day rule.

Cool utility. Did not know about this. However when I checked it did not even show the last two entries that I made (which were successfully submitted according to the normal upload/submission process)...

Is this a known issue? Having contest submissions just disappear?

Jan 02 13 04:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


SaltCityRed wrote:

This page says there is a 100 image cap for 18+
http://www.modelmayhem.com/help/rules/contests/potd18

and this page says there is a 200 image cap for the original contest
http://www.modelmayhem.com/help/rules/contests/potd


Cool utility. Did not know about this. However when I checked it did not even show the last two entries that I made (which were successfully submitted according to the normal upload/submission process)...

Is this a known issue? Having contest submissions just disappear?

You new 'round here.. huh?

Jan 02 13 08:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


Gaze at Photography wrote:
You new 'round here.. huh?

Be nice to the newbies wink

Jan 02 13 10:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


JoJo wrote:
The 100 image cap was removed more than a year ago.
SaltCityRed wrote:
This page says there is a 100 image cap for 18+
http://www.modelmayhem.com/help/rules/contests/potd18

and this page says there is a 200 image cap for the original contest
http://www.modelmayhem.com/help/rules/contests/potd

and I have been trying to have these and several other pages edited/corrected for more than a year.

JoJo wrote:
But before you send off that CAM check this utility:
http://www.sendu.me.uk/modelmayhem/15_d … id=2141825
to make sure your entry was not in violation of the 15 day rule.
SaltCityRed wrote:
Cool utility. Did not know about this. However when I checked it did not even show the last two entries that I made (which were successfully submitted according to the normal upload/submission process)...

Is this a known issue? Having contest submissions just disappear?

Contest entries do not just disappear - they go into the contest or are disqualified for various violations or are removed because of an incomplete upload.
Every entry is accounted for in my records.

As for your "missing" entries... brush up on the "emphasis on genitalia" rule.

Jan 02 13 10:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SCR
Posts: 19
Seattle, Washington, US


Gaze at Photography wrote:
You new 'round here.. huh?

Sorta.

Jan 02 13 10:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SCR
Posts: 19
Seattle, Washington, US


JoJo wrote:
Contest entries do not just disappear - they go into the contest or are disqualified for various violations or are removed because of an incomplete upload.
Every entry is accounted for in my records.

When I check that utility page that you sent a link for, I see exactly one image that is marked "DQ" which I assume to mean "disqualified." I submitted two more images within the last week that are unaccounted for: no DQ, and no entry (but the site did indicate that the uploads were complete).

Jan 02 13 10:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


JoJo wrote:
Contest entries do not just disappear - they go into the contest or are disqualified for various violations or are removed because of an incomplete upload.
Every entry is accounted for in my records.
SaltCityRed wrote:
When I check that utility page that you sent a link for, I see exactly one image that is marked "DQ" which I assume to mean "disqualified." I submitted two more images within the last week that are unaccounted for: no DQ, and no entry (but the site did indicate that the uploads were complete).

Did you read the first sentence at the top of the Sendu utility?
"Enter your MM username or number to see what photos you've entered into the PotD or PotD 18+ contests in the past 15 days, to avoid breaking the 15 day rule."
It is a 15-day checker - it's not an entry checker.

Your January 1 entry was disqualified - violation of "emphasis on genitalia and anus" rule
Your December 31 entry was disqualified - violation of "emphasis on genitalia" rule
Your December 30 entry was disqualified - violation of "emphasis on genitalia" rule
I know, I'm the one that disqualified these entries.

You now have 6 recent "emphasis on genitalia" violations on your record.
You are coming close to the point where I will have to suspend you for continued violations.

Please stop submitting entries that are in violation of the rules.

Jan 03 13 12:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SCR
Posts: 19
Seattle, Washington, US


JoJo wrote:
Did you read the first sentence at the top of the Sendu utility?
"Enter your MM username or number to see what photos you've entered into the PotD or PotD 18+ contests in the past 15 days, to avoid breaking the 15 day rule."
It is a 15-day checker - it's not an entry checker.
...
Your December 30 entry was disqualified - violation of "emphasis on genitalia" rule
I know, I'm the one that disqualified these entries.

JoJo: don't misunderstand. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just trying to understand the system. Thank you for clarifying that the linked page is only a 15-day checker. But if that's the case, then something is still wrong. If I understand you correctly, images DQ'd for content violation won't show up on that page. Only images that were successfully entered OR images that were DQ'd for breaking the 15-day rule will show up on that page. But the image I entered for December 30th is on that page (marked as DQ'd); that image was edited on the 28th and had only been entered once, thus it can't be a violation of the 15-day rule.

Again, I suggest a bit of code be added to the site to automatically notify the user when an image has been DQ'd for either reason (content violation or 15-day rule).

Thanks.

Jan 03 13 09:13 am  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


SaltCityRed wrote:
Again, I suggest a bit of code be added to the site to automatically notify the user when an image has been DQ'd for either reason (content violation or 15-day rule).

Thanks.

You have missed the point.
I have been waiting for corrections and revisions to the contest code for almost 2 years.
Silly little things like having closed contests display in order of votes garnered.
Silly little things like "http://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/potd18/female/runner_ups/130102" being changed to "runners_up"
Silly little things like removing the 100 pic cap and 200 pic cap statements

The contests are what they are - I have to work with what I have been given and try to figure out a 'better way' to work around the deficiencies.

Jan 03 13 11:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,598
Houston, Texas, US


My sympathies Jo Jo. It is evident that the powers that be care little or nothing for the contests. You think these much needed a little code changes could be done in an afternoon by 1 person.
Jan 03 13 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


JoJo wrote:
I (We) have been waiting for corrections and revisions to the contest code for almost 2 years.

Jan 03 13 02:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,096
New York, New York, US


Hi JoJo and thanks for your efforts and all the time you take to do what you do! I want to apologize for some folks on here.  Reason being is that some of them need to put on their big boy pant's and man up! I mean really? WTF! You crying over something you aren't getting paid for just so you can put a little gold badge on your page saying you won potd? Really??? You need that validation? I shoot cuz I luv it, whether I suck at it or not. I still love it! I don't need an applause at the end of the day!....Grow up folks! Do it cuz you love it, not cuz you need a pat on the back ya pussy!!!!
Jan 03 13 04:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SCR
Posts: 19
Seattle, Washington, US


Marin Photography wrote:
Reason being is that some of them need to put on their big boy pant's and man up!

Grow up folks! Do it cuz you love it, not cuz you need a pat on the back ya pussy!!!!

Marin--is this directed at me? Pussy? Really?
My complaints aren't directed at JoJo. I'm trying to understand a contest system that is apparently riddled with lousy code...which is not JoJo's fault. So excuse me if I actually want to participate in the community but need to ask a few questions in the process.

Lame.

Jan 03 13 04:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sendu
Posts: 3,499
Cambridge, England, United Kingdom


SaltCityRed wrote:
Thank you for clarifying that the linked page is only a 15-day checker. But if that's the case, then something is still wrong. If I understand you correctly, images DQ'd for content violation won't show up on that page. Only images that were successfully entered OR images that were DQ'd for breaking the 15-day rule will show up on that page. But the image I entered for December 30th is on that page (marked as DQ'd); that image was edited on the 28th and had only been entered once, thus it can't be a violation of the 15-day rule.

The checker displays all entries that would count toward the 15-day rule, so you can avoid posting duplicates. Photos that get voted on, but are subsequently DQd (for any reason) count toward the 15-day rule, so I still display them.

So in your case, 2 of your entries were DQd before voting began, and don't show up in the checker. 1 of your entries was DQd after voting began, so was visible.


Again, I suggest a bit of code be added to the site to automatically notify the user when an image has been DQ'd for either reason (content violation or 15-day rule).

Contrary to what JoJo seems to be implying, I've offered to implement such a notification feature but she didn't want it: apparently it would end up causing her too much work (because if people actually know they've been DQd, they'll want to complain to her about it).

Jan 04 13 07:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,598
Houston, Texas, US


And those whose entries suddenly disappear never ask about it? For myself I normally don't bother to ask. But I could see where some might.
Jan 04 13 10:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SCR
Posts: 19
Seattle, Washington, US


Sendu wrote:
The checker displays all entries that would count toward the 15-day rule, so you can avoid posting duplicates. Photos that get voted on, but are subsequently DQd (for any reason) count toward the 15-day rule, so I still display them.

So in your case, 2 of your entries were DQd before voting began, and don't show up in the checker. 1 of your entries was DQd after voting began, so was visible.

THANK YOU for finally explaining how this process works. I get it now.

Jan 04 13 11:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SCR
Posts: 19
Seattle, Washington, US


Sendu wrote:
Contrary to what JoJo seems to be implying, I've offered to implement such a notification feature but she didn't want it: apparently it would end up causing her too much work (because if people actually know they've been DQd, they'll want to complain to her about it).

Um. WOW.

I've decided to stop participating in the contests due to the seemingly arbitrary enforcement of the rules, and now have canceled my VIP subscription payment. I know it's only $10/month, but I won't continue to pay for a site with such lousy service.
It's not due only to this contest debacle, but my frustrations began to boil over a few months back when the site was having server problems for days or weeks on end (pages that wouldn't load leaving the site completely unaccessible and unusable)...and not even a hint of a refund or credit for the downtime. IB just kept charging the subscribers for a site that was broken.

And now this.

Jan 04 13 11:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
toesup
Posts: 1,033
Templeton, California, US


There seems to be a Guy (unless my eyesight is failing me!) in today's, Jan 4th, Female 18+ contest!
Jan 04 13 01:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
StacieMaria Nudes
Posts: 3
Cleveland, Ohio, US


Okay I truely confused,once again an image was suppose to be on the 18+ contest today has mysteriously disappeared. I checked the Sendu 15 day and it was still posted on there to be in todays contest and it's not. I know it couldn't of been "Emphasis on the genitalia" because it was my bottom end with a hint of my labia,nothing like whats posted in the 18+ contest today or even yesterday. Alittle help please!!  sad

  This was the image that was posted,it's 18+ obviously
18 +  http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31128840  18+
Jan 07 13 12:26 am  Link  Quote 
Model
JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


StacieMaria Nudes wrote:
Okay I truely confused,once again an image was suppose to be on the 18+ contest today has mysteriously disappeared. I checked the Sendu 15 day and it was still posted on there to be in todays contest and it's not. I know it couldn't of been "Emphasis on the genitalia" because it was my bottom end with a hint of my labia,nothing like whats posted in the 18+ contest today or even yesterday. Alittle help please!!  sad

  This was the image that was posted,it's 18+ obviously
18 +  http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/xxxxxx  18+

"it was my bottom end with a hint of my labia"

That's exactly what it was... a closeup of your butt and genitalia

It was disqualified as "emphasis on genitalia"

Want to talk more about this?
I suggest CAM

Jan 07 13 12:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


It appears that the rules have changed once again.  Or at least the random enforcement of SOME rules/subjectiveness/whatever have been....

Now, it seems that event the hint of a spread shot is DQ'd.

What is going to be next time?  Nipples?  Nothing but work safe shit?

This is getting... no it has been, quite silly....

What are they afraid of?  Only members can view the thing in the first place.
Jan 14 13 12:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,598
Houston, Texas, US


Venting a little are we? A sour grape or two? The contest is in and of itself a triviality. The term tempest in a teapot comes to mind. I suggest we all enter in Vogt and if per chance we get disqualified so be it. Move on and save wear and tear on our dispositions.
Jan 14 13 04:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


Sour grapes?  I think not.

Not venting.  Quite calm actually.  Merely an observation.

People can still ask questions in the forum, I hope...

I'm talking to the room, not anyone in particular.

And you are right, it's quite trivial, but it's enjoyable to watch...
Jan 14 13 05:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


Gaze at Photography wrote:
It appears that the rules have changed once again.  Or at least the random enforcement of SOME rules/subjectiveness/whatever have been....

Now, it seems that event the hint of a spread shot is DQ'd.

What is going to be next time?  Nipples?  Nothing but work safe shit?

This is getting... no it has been, quite silly....

What are they afraid of?  Only members can view the thing in the first place.

As I removed your entry from the Jan 14th contest, because of the incomplete upload and malformed thumbnail, I thought to myself, "I know Gaze is an intelligent guy and will send me a CAM when he doesn't see his otherwise acceptable entry in the contest"... so I guess you're commenting on some other issue.

Jan 14 13 10:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


It was more of a reaction to the observation of my looking through the recent winner and runner-uppers once I saw my entry dissolved.

By no means was I slamming you JoJo.  I was hoping you had the day off that day.

On the other hand, my post was more of a reason to get the forum back on the front page.  It's been way too quiet lately.

A soapbox bump so-to-speak.

Thanks for the compliment BTW.... 

I should edit my post. I viewed today's voting with a scoured look and realized my mild rant was not at all the case as a whole. I think the pendulum has just swung in that direction for a while. It will swing back.

As always, I appreciate everything you do daily.
Jan 15 13 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lifestyle_Images
Posts: 3,982
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


Great image of a man bound in rope in yesterday's female contest.  Good to see these gender-specific contests are not sexist ;-)

http://www.modelmayhem.com/contests/pot … view/64132
Jan 17 13 08:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gaze at Photography
Posts: 4,371
Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, US


One snuck through......  We must tighten security.

http://media.point2.com/p2a/htmltext/0c52/ee6e/f4c5/ca30635ec5b5cc1c54d1/original.gif
Jan 18 13 11:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 24,978
Clearwater, Florida, US


Gaze at Photography wrote:
One snuck through......  We must tighten security.

http://media.point2.com/p2a/htmltext/0c52/ee6e/f4c5/ca30635ec5b5cc1c54d1/original.gif

Maybe the submitter is having 'gender issues'.

Jan 18 13 02:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,598
Houston, Texas, US


JoJo wrote:

Maybe the submitter is having 'gender issues'.

Like antipathy towards males? The man is bound and obviously in a submissive position. Most bondage scenes involve women.

Jan 18 13 03:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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