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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,632
Los Angeles, California, US


Let's make a listy here.

1. You get what you pay for. This isn't necessarily false, it's just not necessarily true either. I could charge you $200 to do your make-up for a shoot. If I suck, it won't help you. If an awesome MUA thinks they need your look in their portfolio, they may do trade and give you better results. Likewise, paying $5,000 for a camera doesn't mean you are a better photographer than someone who paid $1,000. It means you have a more expensive camera and you may be able to utilize its awesomeness if you have the skills to match up.

2. If I am larger than the average model, I am a plus-sized model. Just like mainstream fashion modeling, plus-sized modeling has requirements.

3. You're only able to model fashion because you are tall/ skinny/ young/ etc. There are all sorts of requirements to being a model. Sometimes people just have one, like being very tall, but they know someone. But even if you are a size 0 and 5'10, if you don't have the look, you aren't likely to get booked.

4. You shouldn't work for TF because real models/ photographers/ MUAs don't work for free. More than one problem with this one. If you decide to trade with someone, it means you re getting something in return, which means the word "free" doesn't apply. If you give me a fridge in exchange for me giving you a couch, I did not get a free fridge. Also, "real" models, photographers, and MUAs often trade, though there are real ones who choose not to.

5. Nude Modeling is a gold mine of money. Nude models work very hard at what they do, like any other genre of modeling. Just because you take your clothes off does not mean that you are suddenly going to become rich and in demand. Art modeling is a lot of hard work.

6. Modeling has got to be the easiest job ever, because all you really have to do is stand there and look pretty.
If that's what modeling was, there would be a lot more successful models. It takes talent and effort. However, there are rare cases where random girls do get picked up off of the street simply because of their look. This is not the norm.

7. Models who are agency signed make lots of money. A lot of people think that once they get an agency(or if they would ever be able to get signed), their careers will automatically explode and they will automatically start booking top campaigns. While this has happened to many models who are agency signed, it is by no means the norm.

8. If you're too short for a modeling agency, take acting classes and sign with a talent agency.
Acting isn't a fall-back for models who don't fit the requirements.  And while a talent agency might be an option for a shorter model looking to get signed, it still largely relies on looks and marketability.  Taking acting classes might not increase your marketability, especially if your look isn't one the agency needs anyway.

9. Alternative modeling is an easy choice for those who don't fit fashion requirements. Alt modeling is a lot more than just buying a corset top from Hot Topic and painting your nails black. There's a lot of hard work and investment that goes into it, and generally, like fetish modeling, is a lifestyle choice rather than just something you do for money.

10. It doesn't matter what I really look like because Photoshop will fix it. Everyone gets a pimple now and then, but if your face looks like a double pepperoni pizza dripping with extra cheese, you won't get many job offers. If you rely on the magic of pixel manipulation to shave 20 pounds, you need to lose weight. Gisele gets away with a tattoo on her wrist because she's Gisele. You're not Gisele. If you're inked, you may limited in who will hire you.

11. If something seems really good, it's a scam. Do your research. People sometimes lose great opportunities when they take for granted that they are being scammed before checking up on the offer.

12. If I have the looks and the talent and I am offered something good, it's because I am unique and worth it. Maybe. But it could be a scam. Just like #11, do your homework.

13. If I am afraid to go to a shoot, I should bring an escort. This is not an escort thread, and if you feel the need to bring an escort to a shoot, by all means find people who will comply. However, if you feel unsafe going to a shoot, do not bring someone and put the both of you into a dangerous situation. Instead, pass on the shoot.

14. I have a great look and talent in my genre, so it doesn't matter how I act. There are situations where you may be able to get away with this. However, if you are booking work online (through MM) or in any other close-knit community, then expect that your reputation will get out eventually, and it will hurt you.

15. I have a great personality and am a hard worker, so my looks don't matter. Sadly, this is modeling, and looks are very important. You don't have to be conventionally pretty. You don't have to be tall. You don't have to be anything, really, but if there isn't something about you that grabs attention (intense beauty, distinct uniqueness, jaw-dropping figure), then all the personality in the world will not make a career for you.

16. Everything I hear on ModelMayhem is true. If you want to be a model, learn how to take care of yourself. People lie. People tell you that you don't have a chance when you do, that you do have a chance when you don't, and tell you things about an industry they have never been involved in. Check all your facts before you buy into a belief. Reading this thread? You should be double-checking everything here, too. And, of course, correct me if I'm wrong. wink

17. No one is naturally that tall and that thin. False. Just because something isn't natural for you does not mean it isn't natural for someone else. Many models are very healthy and work hard to stay as such.

18. All models are naturally tall and thin. To an extent, all models have to be naturally tall and thin. However, there are problems in the fashion industry with eating disorders. Tread carefully. Agencies aren't likely to care whether you are healthy or not, they just want you to have the look that pays. If you aren't naturally the right size, it just isn't worth it.

19. The modeling industry is honest. Go look at an agencies Web site. Do you see that girl who is 5'10 and 33-23-34? It is not unlikely that she is truly 5'9 and 34-24-35. A model may be promoted as 23 when she is really 28. The industry is not an honest one. Learn this quickly.

20. The industry is full of liars, so they can lie for me. Are you 5'8 instead of 5'9? Then sure. If everything else is awesome, you have a decent chance of them fudging your height. However, major exceptions are rare and should never be expected.

21. TF* ("Tests") with working photographers is about having fun. GWC's like to hangout and talk to purdy girls at their shoots.  Pictures are secondary. Working pros are doing a session to create new and exciting images for their book (and yours). Images are what matter. Creation matters. Time matters. While a TF* shoot is often a relaxed, interesting, and creative experience, the talent is there to WORK.  Stay off of your phone -- talk to mom, dad, your Beau, or your sister later.  Stop chatting up the MUA for 30 minutes.... she needs to get your makeup on.  Remember, have fun but WORK hard.

22. I can do my makeup fine, so I don't need a MUA.
Camera makeup is far different from daily makeup, or even from "sluttin' it up to hit the bars, yo" makeup.  Cosmetics made with the camera in mind often contain (or don't contain) certain elements to make them flash-friendly, for one.  Additionally, application may need to be heavier, contouring and highlighting may need to be different,and much, much more that you likely don't know if you just know how to "do your makeup".  Heck, the makeup you bought could even be the wrong shade!  And let's not forget the magic MUAs can do when it comes to complex looks, creative beauty work, and special effects, all of which can make or break a shoot!  Hiring a qualified, educated MUA who has the right tools and the right materials will be beyond worth it.

23. When I reach x level of experience, I can start to get paid. You get paid when you have something that someone wants and is willing to pay for. It may be your look, it may be your guts (doing nudes in an avalanche or something equally ridiculous), it may be your posing ability. Some people catch on more quickly than others, and some maybe just aren't meant to do profitable modeling. But modeling for x years doesn't necessarily correlate with getting paid more. Same for photographers. If your work sucks, I don't care if your work has been sucking for 75 years, it still sucks, and I'm still not paying you.

24. I own the copyright because I'm the model.
Wrong. First, there are two basic types of rights, copyright and usage right. Outside the USA, your mileage may vary. In the USA, the photographer owns the copyright to any photo he creates. Yes, there are a few exceptions but they probably don't apply to your situation. Copyrights may be transferred to anyone, but that rarely happens. Usage rights may be granted to the model or someone else by the copyright owner and determine how an image may be used and for how long and for what cost if any. What the model does own is the right to use her likeness. When the model signs a release she is granting the right to use her likeness for the purpose stated in the release.

25. Bunnies reproduce on MM the same way they do in real life. This is false. Many people think this is true since I discovered how to make one a few months ago. But I just really like posting them because they are cute and cuddly.
bunny bunny bunny bunny

26. The hardest thing to do is to get into and Agency.  Once I do that, I am golden.  Sorry girls, getting into an agency is easy.  GETTING WORK once you are there is much harder and significantly more daunting.  Oh, and if you don't get enough work, quickly, your booker will kick you to the curb to free up space on the board for a girl that will get work (and create revenue for the agency).

27. If I get into an agency, then I will do nude work for the right amount of money. Most agencies I have talked to have asked whether or not I will do nudes. They don't want conversations about morals or cash flow. If you are on the list that doesn't do nudes, they won't contact you for a nude job no matter how much it pays. In the modeling industry, you are not irreplacable. If you are on the list that doesn't do nudes, fur, or any other stipulations you may have, expect that you will have to work harder to continue being profitable for the agency.

28. My Agency loves me. Your booker may love you today.  He/she may think you are a nice person.  They will return all your calls and really be a big help to you -- as long as you keep earning.....  If you fail to book work.... lots of work.... your agent will soon forget about you.  You are a commodity.  You can be nice and friendly and warm and funny but, unless you can EARN money, you are not worth anything to your agency.  Keep earning and they will always love you.  Stop earning and you will find yourself at the curb.  Your booker may be "friendly" but he is not your friend..... he is a businessman first and your friend second.  Never confuse that.  You too should be a businessperson first and a model second.  Take charge or your career and take charge of yourself.

29. Any reputable agency pays for everything... the model NEVER pays.  This is simply not true.  Increasingly agencies -- even legit ones -- ask for up front fees for items like comp cards, web listings, etc.  You will likely need to PAY (oh, the horror) for comp card images from Test photographers that the Agency recommends (but does not require).  It is becoming increasingly common for agencies to get more money directly from you rather than wait to take it out of your earnings (as extra fees on top of their standard fee paid by the client).   Models sent to another city by their mother agent will also have their travel costs, room, board, etc taken out of their earnings.  What happens if you don't make enough to cover the fees?  Well, life ain't free.... you signed a contract ..... you still owe the agency the money.   Scams are scams.  Legit agencies are legit.  Your job is to know the difference..... Hint: asking for money up front to pay for comps or Tests with unaffiliated photographers does not immediately mean "scam."  Modeling is a business.  Learn it.

30. I should always sign a model release because it is there to protect me. Wrong, it's there to protect the photographer.  You should often sign a model release because otherwise the photographer won't shoot with you, or because you are being paid to sign one for the agreed upon usages, or because you'd like the photographer to provide you with a usage agreement, or (best case) you and the photographer have discussed this issue, understand each other, and have come to an agreement satisfactory to both.

31. The reason people talk badly about my work is because they are jealous. This, while possible, is very unlikely. First, even if your work is better than theirs, their opinions may not spawn from jealousy. Case in point: I don't do make-up. However, if I see an MUA who can't blend and uses horrid colors, I may still critique and be very right. Also, many who are very good at their craft ma give you negative feedback. They are likely not jealous. If you still choose to assume people are jealous, please, for the love of God keep it to yourself. Otherwise you risk looking like a diva and automatically taking opportunities away from yourself. See #14.
Feb 18 10 08:42 am  Link  Quote 
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picturephoto
Posts: 8,687
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Kelli Kickham wrote:
Let's make a listy here.

1. You get what you pay for. This isn't necessarily false, it's just not necessarily true either. I could charge you $200 to do your make-up for a shoot. If I suck, it won't help you. If an awesome MUA thinks they need your look in their portfolio, they may do trade and give you better results. Likewise, paying $5,000 for a camera doesn't mean you are a better photographer than someone who paid $1,000. It means you have a more expensive camera and you may be able to utilize its awesomeness if you have the skills to match up.

2. If I am larger than the average model, I am a plus-sized model. Just like mainstream fashion modeling, plus-sized modeling has requirements.

3. You're only able to model fashion because you are tall/ skinny/ young/ etc. There are all sorts of requirements to being a model. Sometimes people just have one, like being very tall, but they know someone. But even if you are a size 0 and 5'10, if you don't have the look, you aren't likely to get booked.

Yes.

On point 3, there tends to be an over-emphasis on height in the MM forums, perhaps because people are too polite to point out that, yes, a model might be 5'10", but she's just not that pretty.

Feb 18 10 08:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56,032
Yelm, Washington, US


4. Nude Modeling is not a gold mine of money.

We work very hard at what we do. (Okay, some of us do, I'm a hobbyist, so I don't work hard at much). Just because you take your clothes off does not mean that you are suddenly going to become rich and in demand. Art modeling is a lot of hard work.
Feb 18 10 08:46 am  Link  Quote 
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John Ujjjjjjj Xghp
Posts: 2,298
Ķızıltepa, Navoi, Uzbekistan


5. Modeling has got to be the easiest job ever, because all you really have to do is stand there and look pretty.

:l

If that's what modeling is, pretty much anyone can do it. It takes talent, and I wish more people would understand that.
Feb 18 10 08:47 am  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,632
Los Angeles, California, US


Richard Dubois wrote:

Yes.

On point 3, there tends to be an over-emphasis on height in the MM forums, perhaps because people are too polite to point out that, yes, a model might be 5'10", but she's just not that pretty.

Or, sometimes harder to put into words, she is pretty, but not angular or otherwise doesn't seem to have the "look" for fashion.

Op updated.

Feb 18 10 08:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56,032
Yelm, Washington, US


Kelli Kickham wrote:

Or, sometimes harder to put into words, she is pretty, but not angular or otherwise doesn't seem to have the "look" for fashion.

Op updated.

But...but...Kate Moss can do it!

Feb 18 10 08:54 am  Link  Quote 
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DarcieK
Posts: 10,874
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada


Thanks for pointing out #2. for the longest time I thought I couldn't model b/c of my size (I am too big to be a fashion model, but too small for plus sized). I realize now that I fit into other genres better smile
Feb 18 10 08:54 am  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,632
Los Angeles, California, US


Elizabeth Claret wrote:

But...but...Kate Moss can do it!

I should add something in about the fashion industry being "honest."

One of Kate's sites says she is 5'8.

Yes, she was a hit for being a short model because she passed some requirements and was an inch under on others. I mean, sure, it would still be harder for her, but she wouldn't have her rep at 5'8.

There are two sides:
1. Major exceptions are pretty rare.

2. If you look at an agency Web site, chances are the stats are tweaked and not 100% accurate.

Feb 18 10 08:56 am  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,632
Los Angeles, California, US


DarcieK wrote:
Thanks for pointing out #2. for the longest time I thought I couldn't model b/c of my size (I am too big to be a fashion model, but too small for plus sized). I realize now that I fit into other genres better smile

Anything to say about misconceptions on more alternative genres?

Feb 18 10 08:57 am  Link  Quote 
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MissSybarite
Posts: 11,863
Los Angeles, California, US


Kelli Kickham wrote:
5. Nude Modeling is a gold mine of money. Nude models work very hard at what they do, like any other genre of modeling. Just because you take your clothes off does not mean that you are suddenly going to become rich and in demand. Art modeling is a lot of hard work.

So very true!!!

Feb 18 10 08:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Biana_Libertine
Posts: 3,458
Brooklyn, New York, US


just because you're signed doesn't mean you're rolling in dough a lot of people think that once they get an agency(or if they would ever be able to get signed) their careers will automatically explode and they will automatically start booking top campaigns.
Feb 18 10 08:57 am  Link  Quote 
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MissSybarite
Posts: 11,863
Los Angeles, California, US


To make a continual living modeling, you can't rest on your past laurels,
you've always got to keep moving, growing and shooting!!!
Feb 18 10 08:58 am  Link  Quote 
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DarcieK
Posts: 10,874
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada


Kelli Kickham wrote:

Anything to say about misconceptions on more alternative genres?

Yes, actually. I find with a lot of alternative modeling, people think you still have to sit and look pretty. Depending on the type of shoot, you should be able to get into character so to speak. It makes the quality of the photos so much better than if you have the same expression throughout them all.

Feb 18 10 09:02 am  Link  Quote 
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Rachel Jay
Posts: 20,334
Hoffman Estates, Illinois, US


If you're too short for a modeling agency, take acting classes and sign with a talent agency.
Acting isn't a fall-back for models who don't fit the requirements.  And while a talent agency might be an option for a shorter model looking to get signed, it still largely relies on looks and marketability.  Taking acting classes might not increase your marketability, especially if your look isn't one the agency needs anyway.
Feb 18 10 09:04 am  Link  Quote 
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Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56,032
Yelm, Washington, US


DarcieK wrote:

Yes, actually. I find with a lot of alternative modeling, people think you still have to sit and look pretty. Depending on the type of shoot, you should be able to get into character so to speak. It makes the quality of the photos so much better than if you have the same expression throughout them all.

Or

Alt modeling is a lot more than just buying a corset top from Hot Topic and painting your nails black. There's a lot of hard work and investment that goes into it, and generally, like fetish modeling, is a lifestyle choice rather than just something you do for money.

Feb 18 10 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
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mmmbbbbb
Posts: 667
New York, New York, US


Biana_Libertine wrote:
just because you're signed doesn't mean you're rolling in dough a lot of people think that once they get an agency(or if they would ever be able to get signed) their careers will automatically explode and they will automatically start booking top campaigns.

This!

All of my friends are like "So who did you walk for this season?" And when I name them, they are like ".....who?"

Just because you're signed doesn't mean you are booking the biggest jobs, you are booking jobs with the clients that your agency has.

Feb 18 10 09:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Marc Damon
Posts: 6,562
Biloxi, Mississippi, US


+1 to every post here so far!

so let me add one more.

It doesn't matter what I really look like because Photoshop will fix it. Everyone gets a pimple now and then, but if your face looks like a double pepperoni pizza dripping with extra cheese, you won't get many job offers. If you rely on the magic of pixel manipulation to shave 20 pounds, you need to lose weight. Gisele gets away with a tattoo on her wrist because she's Gisele. You're not Gisele. If you're inked, you're limited in who will hire you.
Feb 18 10 09:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Lies Lies Lies
Posts: 173
Reno, Nevada, US


I'm sure I'm going to be stepping on someone's toes for saying this, as despite my intentions stepping on toes seems to be something I'm inadvertently good at, but ...

Shouldn't there be an addition to that list to the effect of, just because you have the angles and the beauty doesn't mean you should be a model?

Meaning: A pleasing attitude and personality, a strong sense of professionalism and dedication, among other things, are also prerequisites of being a model no matter the genre. In short; looks aren't everything.

More than once I've turned down working with someone because though they had a great look they simply were too difficult to be around.

Obviously this would be a great set of prerequisites for photographers as well. It's unfortunate the number of horror stories we've all either heard or experienced because of the overbearing personalities of some of the photogs out there.
Feb 18 10 09:25 am  Link  Quote 
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picturephoto
Posts: 8,687
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


GentFoto wrote:
I'm sure I'm going to be stepping on someone's toes for saying this, as despite my intentions stepping on toes seems to be something I'm inadvertently good at, but ...

Shouldn't there be an addition to that list to the effect of, just because you have the angles and the beauty doesn't mean you should be a model?

Meaning: A pleasing attitude and personality, a strong sense of professionalism and dedication, among other things, are also prerequisites of being a model no matter the genre. In short; looks aren't everything.

More than once I've turned down working with someone because though they had a great look they simply were too difficult to be around.

Obviously this would be a great set of prerequisites for photographers as well. It's unfortunate the number of horror stories we've all either heard or experienced because of the overbearing personalities of some of the photogs out there.

When it comes to models, looks are everything.  It doesn't seem necessary to point out to aspiring models that they have to maintain a minimal level of professionalism, any more than you should have to point that out to someone working in an office. 

This list is about common misconceptions - if any model has a misconception about having a positive attitude and needs to have something that obvious pointed out, I'm not sure this list will help.

Feb 18 10 09:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9,220
Pelham, New York, US


Kelli Kickham wrote:
5. Nude Modeling is a gold mine of money. Nude models work very hard at what they do, like any other genre of modeling. Just because you take your clothes off does not mean that you are suddenly going to become rich and in demand. Art modeling is a lot of hard work.

And they have to be their own managers, book their own work, promote themselves and do all their own travel arraingements

Feb 18 10 09:35 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9,220
Pelham, New York, US


Marc Damon wrote:
+1 to every post here so far!

so let me add one more.

It doesn't matter what I really look like because Photoshop will fix it. Everyone gets a pimple now and then, but if your face looks like a double pepperoni pizza dripping with extra cheese, you won't get many job offers. If you rely on the magic of pixel manipulation to shave 20 pounds, you need to lose weight. Gisele gets away with a tattoo on her wrist because she's Gisele. You're not Gisele. If you're inked, you're limited in who will hire you.

I knew a model with a lot of freckles who insisted that photographers remove her freckles. Every time she went to a paying gig based on her photos, they told her to leave... wonder why???

Feb 18 10 09:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Marc Damon
Posts: 6,562
Biloxi, Mississippi, US


Jeff Fiore wrote:
I knew a model with a lot of freckles who insisted that photographers remove her freckles. Every time she went to a paying gig based on her photos, they told her to leave... wonder why???

We must know the same model. She asked me to re-edit an entire shoot because I didn't remove her freckles, which would have taken considerably more effort than a few clicks with the healing brush. When I refused she got pissy and told me she wouldn't use them in her portfolio. I can still hear the violins.

Feb 18 10 09:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,457
Paris, Île-de-France, France


That it is such a fun job and by just being glamourous, it is easy to be in fashion.
Feb 18 10 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9,220
Pelham, New York, US


Marc Damon wrote:

We must know the same model. She asked me to re-edit an entire shoot because I didn't remove her freckles, which would have taken considerably more effort than a few clicks with the healing brush. When I refused she got pissy and told me she wouldn't use them in her portfolio. I can still hear the violins.

Well the same type.. she is no longer a model.

Feb 18 10 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
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MissSybarite
Posts: 11,863
Los Angeles, California, US


Marc Damon wrote:
...If you rely on the magic of pixel manipulation to shave 20 pounds, you need to lose weight...

This reminds me of a thread where a model was hired for a paid shoot by a
photographer for her current looks.  Now in all her current images she was
thin enough.  When she showed up, what should have been only a couple
of weeks after her mostcurrent uploaded images, she was at least 35lbs
bigger.  Turns out she actually paid to have all of her images in
her portfolio slimmed down via photo manipulation big_smile

Feb 18 10 10:02 am  Link  Quote 
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Scott Johnson Studios
Posts: 3,353
Wausau, Wisconsin, US


Kelli Kickham wrote:
Let's make a listy here.

1. You get what you pay for. This isn't necessarily false, it's just not necessarily true either. I could charge you $200 to do your make-up for a shoot. If I suck, it won't help you. If an awesome MUA thinks they need your look in their portfolio, they may do trade and give you better results. Likewise, paying $5,000 for a camera doesn't mean you are a better photographer than someone who paid $1,000. It means you have a more expensive camera and you may be able to utilize its awesomeness if you have the skills to match up.

2. If I am larger than the average model, I am a plus-sized model. Just like mainstream fashion modeling, plus-sized modeling has requirements.

3. You're only able to model fashion because you are tall/ skinny/ young/ etc. There are all sorts of requirements to being a model. Sometimes people just have one, like being very tall, but they know someone. But even if you are a size 0 and 5'10, if you don't have the look, you aren't likely to get booked.

4. You shouldn't work for TF because real models/ photographers/ MUAs don't work for free. More than one problem with this one. If you decide to trade with someone, it means you re getting something in return, which means the word "free" doesn't apply. If you give me a fridge in exchange for me giving you a couch, I did not get a free fridge. Also, "real" models, photographers, and MUAs often trade, though there are real ones who choose not to.

5. Nude Modeling is a gold mine of money. Nude models work very hard at what they do, like any other genre of modeling. Just because you take your clothes off does not mean that you are suddenly going to become rich and in demand. Art modeling is a lot of hard work.

6. Modeling has got to be the easiest job ever, because all you really have to do is stand there and look pretty.
If that's what modeling was, there would be a lot more successful models. It takes talent and effort. However, there are rare cases where random girls do get picked up off of the street simply because of their look. This is not the norm.

You forgot the one ... I'm on Model Mayhem.. I must be professional smile

Feb 18 10 10:04 am  Link  Quote 
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Engel Schrei
Posts: 14,455
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


Kelli, I love you.
Feb 18 10 10:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Stuart McConaghy
Posts: 855
New York, New York, US


Another one: That booth at the mall is NOT a modeling agency. They aren't going to get you work, or make you famous, or even start your modeling career. All they're going to do is extract as much money from your pocket as possible.
Feb 18 10 10:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lies Lies Lies
Posts: 173
Reno, Nevada, US


Richard Dubois wrote:

When it comes to models, looks are everything.  It doesn't seem necessary to point out to aspiring models that they have to maintain a minimal level of professionalism, any more than you should have to point that out to someone working in an office. 

This list is about common misconceptions - if any model has a misconception about having a positive attitude and needs to have something that obvious pointed out, I'm not sure this list will help.

Something tells me that if these points were so obvious there wouldn't be threads popping up on this site on such a regular basis in regard to the unprofessional antics of models. Maybe because a model has a great look you're perfectly happy dealing with incessantly bitchy/whiney attitudes, ongoing coaching to get the right poses or emotes, no-call-no-shows, distractions due to texts or cell phone calls, or any number of other factors.

Personally and professionally, I'd rather have a model who's look is close enough and she knows how to pose or least take direction easily; concentrates on the task at hand and showed up on time or at least gave a phone call if he/she was going to be late for any reason.

Just because a model has a great look doesn't mean he or she has the qualifications needed to use it.

Feb 18 10 10:28 am  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,632
Los Angeles, California, US


GentFoto wrote:

Something tells me that if these points were so obvious there wouldn't be threads popping up on this site on such a regular basis in regard to the unprofessional antics of models. Maybe because a model has a great look you're perfectly happy dealing with incessantly bitchy/whiney attitudes, ongoing coaching to get the right poses or emotes, no-call-no-shows, distractions due to texts or cell phone calls, or any number of other factors.

Personally and professionally, I'd rather have a model who's look is close enough and she knows how to pose or least take direction easily; concentrates on the task at hand and showed up on time or at least gave a phone call if he/she was going to be late for any reason.

Just because a model has a great look doesn't mean he or she has the qualifications needed to use it.

I think this differs greatly depending on where a model is getting work (MM, agency, etc.) and what genre they fit into.

I will think about adding something.

Feb 18 10 11:11 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel Jay
Posts: 20,334
Hoffman Estates, Illinois, US


Kristallin wrote:
Another one: That booth at the mall is NOT a modeling agency. They aren't going to get you work, or make you famous, or even start your modeling career. All they're going to do is extract as much money from your pocket as possible.

lol Those booths crack me up.  I always want to go up to them and hear what they have to say to me... but every time I want to they're with some poor, hopefull-looking teenager hmm

Feb 18 10 11:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Beatrix Mae
Posts: 2,499
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Elizabeth Claret wrote:
4. Nude Modeling is not a gold mine of money.

We work very hard at what we do. (Okay, some of us do, I'm a hobbyist, so I don't work hard at much). Just because you take your clothes off does not mean that you are suddenly going to become rich and in demand. Art modeling is a lot of hard work.

Ermm... you contradict yourself by adding that "Not" in there, it's a thread about Missconceptions...


Kelli this is awesome

Feb 18 10 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,632
Los Angeles, California, US


Rachel Jay wrote:

lol Those booths crack me up.  I always want to go up to them and hear what they have to say to me... but every time I want to they're with some poor, hopefull-looking teenager hmm

I have no had one of those booths show any interest in me.

I'm going to walk in dressed like I have some money one day and see what they say.

Feb 18 10 11:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,632
Los Angeles, California, US


Beatrix Mae wrote:

Ermm... you contradict yourself by adding that "Not" in there, it's a thread about Missconceptions...


Kelli this is awesome
Feb 18 10 11:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Antonio Marcus
Posts: 1,849
San Francisco, California, US


Kelli Kickham wrote:
2. If you look at an agency Web site, chances are the stats are tweaked and not 100% accurate.

Soooooo true for me as well (so far). Adding an inch when needed is not uncommon. Even the location of the model can be tweaked. Do a search for San Francisco women's division on some of the agency sites. Many models are actually based out of NYC and other places, but say SF on their comp card.

Feb 18 10 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digitoxin
Posts: 13,343
Houston, Texas, US


Myth: TF* ("Tests") with working photographers is about something other than HARD WORK. GWC's like to hangout and talk to purdy girls at their shoots.  Pictures are secondary.  Hanging out with pretty girls is more important.  Working pros could give a darn about that.  They are doing a session to create new and exciting images for their book (and yours).   Images are what matter.  Creation matters.  Time matters.   While a TF* shoot is often a relaxed, interesting, and creative experience, the talent is there to WORK.  Stay off of your phone -- talk to mom, dad, your Beau, or your sister later.  Stop chatting up the MUA for 30 minutes.... she needs to get your makeup on.  Remember, have fun but WORK hard.
Feb 18 10 11:45 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,632
Los Angeles, California, US


Thanks for all the help in compiling this list, guys!
Keep adding your additions and corrections.

*hugs*
Feb 18 10 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Beatrix Mae
Posts: 2,499
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Kelli Kickham wrote:

Muah!

Love you and Engel. Bunnies~! bunny

Purr loves you too peanut!

Feb 18 10 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56,032
Yelm, Washington, US


Beatrix Mae wrote:

Ermm... you contradict yourself by adding that "Not" in there, it's a thread about Missconceptions...


Kelli this is awesome
Feb 18 10 12:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Beatrix Mae
Posts: 2,499
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Elizabeth Claret wrote:

I know, my brain is totally not working today lol...

Not acceptable!

wink'

Feb 18 10 12:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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