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Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Hi Gang,

A few weeks ago I started a thread that eventually got closed cause people were upset it smelled too much of SPAM.

The video walks retouchers through the post-processing used on this shot.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/entrants/090830/potd-090830-103568-big.jpg

As I had promised, I was going to share the video from Gry's DVD series - and here it is on Vimeo. Just took us a few weeks to get everything ready. Mods have pre-approved this post.

Let me know your thoughts - and hopefully people find it useful.

Cheers,

Derek Cooper Photography
www.derekcooper.com
Sep 06 10 06:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sean Baker Photo
Posts: 8,036
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Thanks for posting this Derek, it was a great watch - exceptional production quality from the Vimeo stream.

OOC, does the full video series go through the rest of the work she did on that image, or is this the extent to which she shows her work on it?

Thanks again!
Sep 06 10 07:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tog
Posts: 55,204
Birmingham, Alabama, US


SRB Photo wrote:
Thanks for posting this Derek, it was a great watch - exceptional production quality from the Vimeo stream.

OOC, does the full video series go through the rest of the work she did on that image, or is this the extent to which she shows her work on it?

Thanks again!

+1 on this. 

Why is it every time someone goes through the effort to put up an instructional video (and kudos to those who do), it always starts with, "I did some work ahead of time that we won't talk about" that always contains the bits I'm interested in....?

Sep 06 10 07:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rik Austin
Posts: 10,843
Austin, Texas, US


Excellent video.  I was just going to start working on puppet warp today.  Thanks.
Sep 06 10 07:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


SRB Photo wrote:
Thanks for posting this Derek, it was a great watch - exceptional production quality from the Vimeo stream.

Gry does a wonderful - and the video is exceptional for sure.

SRB Photo wrote:
OOC, does the full video series go through the rest of the work she did on that image, or is this the extent to which she shows her work on it?

I'm not sure, actually. I'll ask Gry and report back.

Sep 06 10 07:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sean Baker Photo
Posts: 8,036
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Derek Cooper wrote:
Gry does a wonderful - and the video is exceptional for sure.

Source material didn't hurt any, either.

Derek Cooper wrote:
I'm not sure, actually. I'll ask Gry and report back.

Looking forward to it!

Sep 06 10 07:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Tog  wrote:
+1 on this.

Excellent! I like pluses.

Tog  wrote:
Why is it every time someone goes through the effort to put up an instructional video (and kudos to those who do), it always starts with, "I did some work ahead of time that we won't talk about" that always contains the bits I'm interested in....?

Well, you can't learn every secret from someone else??!!  smile

Sep 06 10 07:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18,130
Orlando, Florida, US


Derek Cooper wrote:

Tog  wrote:
+1 on this.

Excellent! I like pluses.


Well, you can't learn every secret from someone else??!!  smile

This is were you are wrong there are no secrets.

Sep 06 10 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


SRB Photo wrote:

Derek Cooper wrote:
Gry does a wonderful - and the video is exceptional for sure.

Source material didn't hurt any, either.

Looking forward to it!

Unfortunately, that's it for this shot on the DVD. Sorry 'bout that!

Sep 06 10 07:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Angela Michelle Perez wrote:
This is were you are wrong there are no secrets.

Hehehe... apparently not.

Sep 06 10 07:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sean Baker Photo
Posts: 8,036
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Derek Cooper wrote:

Unfortunately, that's it for this shot on the DVD. Sorry 'bout that!

Hey, you checked and let us know - there's no sense complaining about honest (and free) information!

Thank you again.

Sep 06 10 07:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


SRB Photo wrote:
Hey, you checked and let us know - there's no sense complaining about honest (and free) information!

I'm Canadian - we tend to be apologetic!!!! LOL

Sep 06 10 07:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Bennett
Posts: 2,216
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Nice! Thank you! I've been using the Liquefy tool, but I'll be using Warp a lot more in the near future.
Sep 06 10 09:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sean Baker Photo
Posts: 8,036
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Jerry Bennett wrote:
Nice! Thank you! I've been using the Liquefy tool, but I'll be using Warp a lot more in the near future.

FWIW, Liquify, Warp, and Puppet Warp all do basically the same thing.  Liquify just gives you the finest level of control, consequently allowing you to screw up detail the worst smile.  Working on a smaller copy of the image, saving the mesh, and applying it to the full-size is probably the best way of getting its interface without risking detail destruction.

Or just use the other tools smile.

Sep 06 10 10:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wilde One
Posts: 2,359
Santa Monica, California, US


Derek, when will Gry's e-book on retouching, version Photoshop CS5, come out?
Sep 06 10 04:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Wilde One wrote:
Derek, when will Gry's e-book on retouching, version Photoshop CS5, come out?

Not sure actually - she didn't mention it to me. Sorry!

Sep 06 10 06:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charles Farrah Images
Posts: 8
Yonkers, New York, US


Great video and shot!
Sep 12 10 04:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
DB Design
Posts: 38
Southampton, England, United Kingdom


Thats one way to go about it I suppose. Odd really there is no set way to use photoshop of the final product is the same, but I wouldn't have gone about it the same way she did.
Sep 13 10 12:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Michael C Pearson
Posts: 1,343
Agoura Hills, California, US


SRB Photo wrote:
FWIW, Liquify, Warp, and Puppet Warp all do basically the same thing.  Liquify just gives you the finest level of control, consequently allowing you to screw up detail the worst smile.

Yeah, that's what she must have meant. While I was watching the video, I had wished she'd gone into more detail about the different way that liquify handles the "pushing" of pixels over the other tools, but you must be right; she doesn't like how it's easier to mess up the detail.

Great video, thanks for sharing Derek.

Sep 19 10 12:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SMT-Photos
Posts: 19
Northampton, England, United Kingdom


"Gunna this... gunna that..."
What a complete waste of your life.  If the picture wasn't "taken correctly" in the first place, let it be!  I'm all for retouching but this is absurd.
Sep 19 10 02:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ruben Vasquez
Posts: 3,104
Puyallup, Washington, US


SMT-Photos wrote:
"Gunna this... gunna that..."
What a complete waste of your life.  If the picture wasn't "taken correctly" in the first place, let it be!  I'm all for retouching but this is absurd.

No matter how well an image is photographed, they can all be enhanced and improved. Even the finest diamonds need to be polished.

Sep 19 10 07:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dklee studio photo
Posts: 2,587
Richmond, Virginia, US


damn... time for me to upgrade from cs3 to cs5
Sep 21 10 02:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Ruben Vasquez wrote:

No matter how well an image is photographed, they can all be enhanced and improved. Even the finest diamonds need to be polished.

Totally agree Ruben!

Glad people are enjoying the video - I watched it and was amazed to see how much effort goes into the post work on our shoots. It's amazing - and lovely.

Oct 15 10 07:28 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Vearts
Posts: 129
Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden


I saw this short tutorial on Her website http://www.grygarness.com/dvds/beauty-r … ng-dvd.htm She is very good with Photoshop kinda my style technical. And I think that Her  DVD is affordable for everyone.
Oct 15 10 09:35 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Krunoslav Stifter
Posts: 3,847
Santa Cruz, California, US


Thanks for the video. smile
Oct 15 10 09:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dreamscape Creative
Posts: 478
Charleston, South Carolina, US


Nice real-world demonstration of the new tools in CS5.  Adobe demonstrates with images specifically meant to showcase a feature working perfectly.  But there's honesty in an example such as this, however.

Altogether, well done.
Oct 15 10 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I haven't watched the DVDs as of yet, but I will. I've long been a fan of Gry's work (obviously) and using real-world examples is excellent.

At what point do people think the artistry of photography ends and the artistry of retouching begins? Of course, post can't make a terrible shot look great, but the balance is intriguing.
Oct 16 10 07:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Page Photography inc
Posts: 437
Sherman, Texas, US


Tog  wrote:

+1 on this. 

Why is it every time someone goes through the effort to put up an instructional video (and kudos to those who do), it always starts with, "I did some work ahead of time that we won't talk about" that always contains the bits I'm interested in....?

I totally Agree..Thats why i stopped watching after she said here is what i did ahead of time. And it was never discussed..So its left out alot of important stuff. So why post a How-To Video if you cant discuss the whole thing.

Oct 16 10 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Krunoslav Stifter
Posts: 3,847
Santa Cruz, California, US


Page Photography inc wrote:
I totally Agree..Thats why i stopped watching after she said here is what i did ahead of time. And it was never discussed..So its left out alot of important stuff. So why post a How-To Video if you cant discuss the whole thing.

Beginner
Intermediate
Advance

...take your pick. If someone wanted to explain every little detail, the video would be 3+ hours long. Lucky there are more video tutorials on the market, than it ever was in the past. And that number is growing. Dose that answers your question?

Oct 16 10 07:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan OMell
Posts: 1,335
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Post hidden on Oct 16, 2010 08:39 am
Reason: violates rules
Comments:
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    - Stay on topic. Do not hijack the thread.
Oct 16 10 08:22 am  Link 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Page Photography inc wrote:

I totally Agree..Thats why i stopped watching after she said here is what i did ahead of time. And it was never discussed..So its left out alot of important stuff. So why post a How-To Video if you cant discuss the whole thing.

What stuff ahead of time would be of interest to you Page?

Really all we did was some toning work - colour tones, not body toning. Pretty basic hue / sat moves. Nothing terribly exciting.

Does that help?

Oct 16 10 08:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Joan Morgades
Posts: 311
Reus, Catalonia, Spain


Thanks for the video, amazing picture.
Oct 16 10 08:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


The Factory Fotografia wrote:
Thanks for the video, amazing picture.

My pleasure - glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for the kudos on the pic.

Oct 16 10 02:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ruben Vasquez
Posts: 3,104
Puyallup, Washington, US


I just got Gry's dvd's in the mail a couple days ago. I'm still working through Natalia's dvd's but have a watched a few of the tutorials. I'm really looking forward to studying them in depth. smile
Oct 16 10 08:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Ruben Vasquez wrote:
I just got Gry's dvd's in the mail a couple days ago. I'm still working through Natalia's dvd's but have a watched a few of the tutorials. I'm really looking forward to studying them in depth. smile

Let us know what you think of the DVDs Ruben once you get a chance to watch them. I think there is something like 14 hours of content!!! Unreal.

Oct 17 10 09:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ruben Vasquez
Posts: 3,104
Puyallup, Washington, US


Derek Cooper wrote:
Let us know what you think of the DVDs Ruben once you get a chance to watch them. I think there is something like 14 hours of content!!! Unreal.

You aint kidding! Both Natalia's and Gry's are quite in depth but go over the various material in very different ways. Besides simply watching the dvd's, I plan on retouching the image prior to the tutorial, while watching the tutorial and then once more after to see just how well I was able to absorb the material. Not too sure if any one really cares but I can do a write up on the experiance if you like.

Oct 17 10 01:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Ruben Vasquez wrote:

You aint kidding! Both Natalia's and Gry's are quite in depth but go over the various material in very different ways. Besides simply watching the dvd's, I plan on retouching the image prior to the tutorial, while watching the tutorial and then once more after to see just how well I was able to absorb the material. Not too sure if any one really cares but I can do a write up on the experiance if you like.

Sounds cool - go for it and let us see when you're ready!

Oct 17 10 02:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Derek Cooper
Posts: 106
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


How did it go Ruben?
Dec 23 10 05:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jon LiIIey
Posts: 927
London, England, United Kingdom


dklee studio photo wrote:
damn... time for me to upgrade from cs3 to cs5

Not really. The important thing is the workflow and attention to the detail. You could do all that without puppet warp and using imagedoctor plug-ins.

Great video though. Always useful to watch excellent people at work.

Dec 23 10 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Bennett
Posts: 2,216
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


SRB Photo wrote:

FWIW, Liquify, Warp, and Puppet Warp all do basically the same thing.  Liquify just gives you the finest level of control, consequently allowing you to screw up detail the worst smile.  Working on a smaller copy of the image, saving the mesh, and applying it to the full-size is probably the best way of getting its interface without risking detail destruction.

Or just use the other tools smile.

Yeah, there's something about liquify that just works well with the body. Maybe 'cause it's round?

Dec 23 10 10:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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