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S T U D I O S I X
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Here are some great shot of 2 amazing photographers let me here your thoughts of how they did it and please I want your thoughts not just ask the photog.
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/hotsteveo/inspiration/Screenshot2010-10-14at50120PM.png

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/hotsteveo/inspiration/Screenshot2010-10-14at45638PM.png
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/hotsteveo/inspiration/Screenshot2010-10-14at45606PM.png
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/hotsteveo/inspiration/Screenshot2010-10-18at120115PM.png
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/hotsteveo/inspiration/Screenshot2010-10-18at120242PM.png
Oct 18 10 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S T U D I O S I X
Posts: 408
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Anyone have ideas?
Oct 18 10 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Krunoslav Stifter
Posts: 3,847
Santa Cruz, California, US


Beyond the very good lighting setup in preproduction and during the shoot, it's not one-click-I'm-done type of solution. The biggest influence that I can see has to come form very selective color and tone adjustments. Hue/sat and curves most likely. Use of D&B to help the enhance the shape and lighting on the faces is also something that could have been used. The bottom line is that it's a manually process and you can't have the same approach to every images. If you had something similar shot already and you wanted to achieve that kind of look, than we might be able to offer more help.
Oct 18 10 01:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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FLEXmanta
Posts: 1,001
Madrid, Madrid, Spain


It's not really about having an idea or not. You just grabbed well conveived/produced/photographed/retouched images and ask how you think they did them. Well, the answer is "by knowing what they were are doing".

There's just so much of each profession involved in the images that I wouldn't even know where to start. There's toning, light shaping, composition, local contrasting (or anti-contrasting), sharpening... some fall into what some call hyperrealism: A whole combination of artistic decision-making and techniques.

Can't synthesize in a forum what each of the involved professionals learned after years of work.
Oct 18 10 01:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Krunoslav Stifter
Posts: 3,847
Santa Cruz, California, US


FLEXmanta wrote:
It's not really about having an idea or not. You just grabbed well conveived/produced/photographed/retouched images and ask how you think they did them. Well, the answer is "by knowing what they were are doing".

There's just so much of each profession involved in the images that I wouldn't even know where to start. There's toning, light shaping, composition, local contrasting (or anti-contrasting), sharpening... some fall into what some call hyperrealism: A whole combination of artistic decision-making and techniques.

Can't synthesize in a forum what each of the involved professionals learned after years of work.

Oh, yeah. And pretty much what he said.

Oct 18 10 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Oranges
Posts: 339
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


And I suspect that the final images are composites of shots done with multiple exposures and lighting setups.
Oct 18 10 01:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
FLEXmanta
Posts: 1,001
Madrid, Madrid, Spain


Bret McMichael wrote:
And I suspect that the final images are composites of shots done with multiple exposures and lighting setups.

There's often a misunderstanding for when multiple exposures are needed. In a controled set, in which you can correctly light the whole scene, theres really no capture different exposures in camera. Changing shutter speed will not affect exposure in sets where all the light is flash. You can change aperture to control the exposure value, but that will produce depth of field variations. With ISO you can have only a couple steps of freedom, as beyond 800, most images are not considered studio fine art quality (i mean not for this kind of images).

Bottom line is: You dont need to capture HDR from a scene that didn't have a wide dynamic ratio and was lit with flash at low ISO and quick exposure.

Oct 18 10 02:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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8bit
Posts: 49
Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden


In a controlled set with artificial light you never ever change aperture, but you do however quite often do differing exposures with the power output of the flashes, and/or with another lighting setup.
Oct 18 10 02:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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BG STUDIO
Posts: 4
─░stanbul, ─░stanbul, Turkey


hi here is my two cent for this on the set  very big light source on 45 degree maybe a parobolic umberella and some fill on post production very detailed coloring  adding blue on blacks warm nice skin tones perfect d&b with taste l am allmost sure there was no need the fixing wrong shadows and somethings like that on raw file and many retouchers in here can achive this point with a real good raw
Oct 18 10 03:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sean Baker Photo
Posts: 8,036
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


As has been said, this is primarily about the the styling and capture, but as far as the post, it's probably most similar to what was described in the thread regarding Maya Guez' style (which is fairly similar technically).
Oct 18 10 04:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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George Anchev
Posts: 428
Sofia, Sofija grad, Bulgaria


Oct 18 10 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
FLEXmanta
Posts: 1,001
Madrid, Madrid, Spain


Those two looked 90% like that right off the camera and converted.

Oct 18 10 04:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Since this is a retouching forum, I'd say that LucisArt played a prominent part in post.
Oct 18 10 04:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rob Mac Studio
Posts: 1,105
London, England, United Kingdom


You could definitely get pretty near with a fairly poor flat photo, using curves and boosting contrast. there seems to be alot of black and cyan in those skin tones generally.
Not exact, but a quick try on a pretty badly lit shot


http://www.ephotobay.com/image/4b9db120678b4-copy.gif

Oct 18 10 05:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,665
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


Peano wrote:
Since this is a retouching forum, I'd say that LucisArt played a prominent part in post.

+1 But I do it manually (lol) Lucis art introduces a lot of noise and some color banding and I can control it doing it manually. I have to say tho... I haven't studied Lucis Art for very long because I think the effect is rather easy when done manually so I don't see the point in paying for the outside thing (but you knew this already right? tongue )

If someone gives me a guy in a suit with similar lighting (or flat) I can provide a psd of this.
x

Oct 19 10 04:31 am  Link  Quote 
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FLEXmanta
Posts: 1,001
Madrid, Madrid, Spain


Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

+1 But I do it manually (lol) Lucis art introduces a lot of noise and some color banding and I can control it doing it manually. I have to say tho... I haven't studied Lucis Art for very long because I think the effect is rather easy when done manually so I don't see the point in paying for the outside thing (but you knew this already right? tongue )

If someone gives me a guy in a suit with similar lighting (or flat) I can provide a psd of this.
x

cough coughFameaddict

Oct 19 10 05:15 am  Link  Quote 
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Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,665
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


FLEXmanta wrote:
cough coughFameaddict

Use the right terminology honey

Awhore big_smile

Oct 19 10 05:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looks by Robert
Posts: 299
Florence, South Carolina, US


clipping
Oct 19 10 05:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S T U D I O S I X
Posts: 408
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


like these
Oct 19 10 10:23 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Sofia Zasheva
Posts: 154
Sofia, Sofija grad, Bulgaria


The first few portraits remind me of Jill Greenberg and for such effect lighting turns out to be 70% of the effect.. if you want to make the picture end up like this with 2 clicks. I usually use tonal contrast as main correction - increasing the contrast in the midtones and highlights with the corresponding saturation changes.. sometimes even bleach bypass (in reasonable amount).
Oct 19 10 10:48 am  Link  Quote 
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ShaunQ
Posts: 168
Waihi Beach, Waikato, New Zealand


Did someone ask for a guy in a business suit? Here's a corporate portrait I shot earlier this year -

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4977/portraitbrad.jpg

I have retouched this but I can supply a RAW or smaller Jpeg of the original
Oct 19 10 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,665
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


send me the raw nataffa at hotmail

x
Oct 19 10 02:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


Some of the characteristics of that familiar "Lucis look" can be done with Topaz Detail (for a small fraction of the cost of LucisArt).

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3914/lucis.jpg
Oct 19 10 03:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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S T U D I O S I X
Posts: 408
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Post a raw file heres what I did
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/hotsteveo/portraitbrad.jpg
Oct 19 10 04:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S T U D I O S I X
Posts: 408
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Peano wrote:
Some of the characteristics of that familiar "Lucis look" can be done with Topaz Detail (for a small fraction of the cost of LucisArt).

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3914/lucis.jpg

looks good but alittle to light on spots

Oct 19 10 04:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


S T U D I O  S I X  wrote:
looks good but alittle to light on spots

I agree. The face is too hot on camera right, for starters. I was mainly aiming to show the effect in the clothing.

Oct 19 10 04:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Tog
Posts: 55,204
Birmingham, Alabama, US


ShaunQ wrote:
Did someone ask for a guy in a business suit? Here's a corporate portrait I shot earlier this year -

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4977/portraitbrad.jpg

I have retouched this but I can supply a RAW or smaller Jpeg of the original

Thanks for putting this up.  I had fun playing.  I think this style of editing is undervalued, today.  Where I see beauty retouching as being about removing character and creating uniformity, I see those who do stuff like this as having an equal mastery of the tools, but more akin to the guys who draw exaggerated pencil sketches of people at the park.  It's not about perfecting the image.  It's about extracting the character inside.

Anyway, was a fun 10 minutes.  Thanks again.

http://hobbithole.thruhere.net/gallery/portraitbrad.jpg

Oct 19 10 05:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rob Mac Studio
Posts: 1,105
London, England, United Kingdom


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1109/5098353006_7ddc0e0621_b.jpg
Oct 19 10 05:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S T U D I O S I X
Posts: 408
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Rob Mac Studio wrote:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1109/5098353006_7ddc0e0621_b.jpg

seems a little destructive

Oct 19 10 06:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rob Mac Studio
Posts: 1,105
London, England, United Kingdom


S T U D I O  S I X  wrote:
seems a little destructive

Maybe, but I was trying to wrench as much detail from a 3mb jpeg.

Why don't you move that huge picture out of the thread,it is annoying.

Oct 19 10 06:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S T U D I O S I X
Posts: 408
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Rob Mac Studio wrote:

Maybe, but I was trying to wrench as much detail from a 3mb jpeg.

Why don't you move that huge picture out of the thread,it is annoying.

Done!!

didn't mean to offend you LOL

Oct 19 10 06:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Rob Mac Studio
Posts: 1,105
London, England, United Kingdom


You haven't.
Oct 19 10 06:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S T U D I O S I X
Posts: 408
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


sounded like you did
Oct 19 10 06:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ShaunQ
Posts: 168
Waihi Beach, Waikato, New Zealand


As I mentioned the image posted I had retouched so probly wouldn't handle too much further editing. Below is a link to download the original RAW file that I'll leave available for a few days and would really like to see where others would take it. I had to keep editing pretty subtle for its intended use, but really love the portraits posted by the OP, so keen to learn a few further techniques. Download RAW from here -

http://www.mediafire.com/?zj92lic4idcute3

.
Oct 19 10 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Peano
Posts: 4,106
Lynchburg, Virginia, US


ShaunQ wrote:
As I mentioned the image posted I had retouched so probly wouldn't handle too much further editing. Below is a link to download the original RAW file that I'll leave available for a few days ...

Thanks for posting this. Good practice. Doing this for keeps, I would go over the suit and pick off all the lint. Here I was mainly interested in experimenting with light ...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2923/portraitbraddt1a.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6990/portraitbraddt2.jpg

Oct 19 10 08:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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pellepiano
Posts: 2,268
Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden


I used mainly D&B ( curves layers ). Selective color. Some Highpass for sharpening.

http://www.lutzimages.com/thread_images/mm_portraitbrad.jpg
Oct 20 10 07:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S T U D I O S I X
Posts: 408
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


pellepiano wrote:
I used mainly D&B ( curves layers ). Selective color. Some Highpass for sharpening.

http://www.lutzimages.com/thread_images/mm_portraitbrad.jpg

WOW Now this I like

Oct 20 10 09:58 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,665
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


ok pellepiano did it faster tongue

It's all bout color contrast and depth (like any other thing you'll find attractive in a picture )
Oct 20 10 11:11 am  Link  Quote 
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NothingIsRealButTheGirl
Posts: 32,607
Los Angeles, California, US


A lot of this tends to be islands of relative brightness in a sea of darkness
Oct 20 10 11:13 am  Link  Quote 
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NothingIsRealButTheGirl
Posts: 32,607
Los Angeles, California, US


NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
A lot of this tends to be islands of relative brightness in a sea of darkness

a little like this

http://vimeo.com/channels/royksopp#2355334

Oct 20 10 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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