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Kitty LaRose
Posts: 12,715
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


My university's art department offers about $10-15/hr with a 2-hr minimum.
Nov 03 10 01:40 am  Link  Quote 
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MissSybarite
Posts: 11,863
Los Angeles, California, US


Shandra Stark wrote:
my body is in such bad shape right now.  i have my first professional massage in a year booked for wednesday. 

now that i have three jobs, I plan to get two deep tissue or sports massages a month, and attend yoga regularly. 

stretching just doesn't cut it when you're posing for art classes 25+ hours a week.

Soaking in Masada's Joint and Muscle
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Nov 03 10 06:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 36,554
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I've been modeling for figure arts for 5 years, and $15 per hour is about average, for a 3 or 4 hour session. You often get booked for multiple sessions at a time, so while you might make only $60 for individual session, after 2 or 3 sessions, you've made well over $100.

Figure drawing modeling requires almost no financial investment from the model, and very little preparation to get ready. They rarely care about things like make-up, or hair, definitely not about wardrobe. You just show up, take off your clothing and sit still for a long time. IMO, it's incredibly easy compared to photography figure modeling. Things like facial expression and specific hand placement are not major concerns. You do not have to have a specific "look" to work as a figure drawing/painting model, though many photographers will only shoot nude models who meet specific criteria.

It's just very, very, very different types of modeling - even though the overall concept of the work might be the same as with photography.
Nov 03 10 06:36 am  Link  Quote 
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MoRina
Posts: 5,764
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


I work for a artist's group here locally, and the pay is $25/hr for 3 hrs.  The reason the pay is low, compared to regular nude photography rates is that's it's not photography....the artists use your figure as a basis for their own art.  In other words, the resulting art is not an exact depiction of the model.  Photography rates are higher because of usage. 

The other reason rates are low is because they require no experience, talent or particular look.  Anyone can be an art model.  Artists practice on differing body shapes and ages to gain skill.  No preparation is required......nobody cares if you have had a pedicure, wear makeup, or have even taken a shower that day!!!  I can wake up, shower and walk out the door.  That means the time invested is 3 hours, not 3 hours + 2 hours prep time.

The only reason I model for the group I work for is because they are a wonderfully warm, appreciative group of people.  And, I like the physical challenge of holding poses.  It is completely different than what I normally do, so I keep doing it!
Nov 03 10 06:51 am  Link  Quote 
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-JEL-
Posts: 114
Wichita, Kansas, US


I having been posing regularly (two days per week) for life drawing classes for the last two and a half years. The average pay in my area is $12 per hour, classes are three hours long.
Last semester I was invited to pose for a painting class in addition to life drawing and the pay/time was the same for life drawing.

There are a number of reasons that I pose nude for students.
-I love the work
-I enjoy the challenge of gesture poses and extended poses
-I like being part of creating art and being part of someone's art education
-I enjoy listening to the lectures given in class, it expands my knowledge of art
-I like seeing the student's vision and improvments throughout the class

That to me is more than worth the pay.

I also like that I do not have to worry about the 'extras' that are needed when doing a photoshoot. i.e. nails, hair, makeup, wardrobe (if needed), finding locations (if requested to do so), assisting to plan the shoot etc...
Though, I do enjoy photo shoots!

My rates for photo shoots are different based on shoot content but also because I sign a release, I have more preperation for a shoot, photos can be sold, published, displayed in online portfolios, travel expenses. Also, I tend to get booked for outdoor photos shoots in the late fall and winter, nude and freezing temps are very challenging.

Also, most drawings/paintings done by students are not as readily seen (aside from student art shows), I am not as easily identifiable and most if any of the works are not sold.
Nov 03 10 07:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,546
Glendora, California, US


I agree, but, there are those who do not. 

Here is a similar thread which may answer some of your questions.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=641490
Nov 03 10 08:03 am  Link  Quote 
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sdgillis
Posts: 2,436
Portland, Oregon, US


In the Portland area: 

Usually runs $13-$20 and hour, sometimes + tips in group settings.
The model just has to be mostly clean, well rested, on time and ready to pose. 

Photos skew the rate because you are paying for usage more so than labor.  So, if you are told that you are making $30+ assume cameras are allowed.

Fit male models are in demand right now.
Nov 03 10 09:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,612
Los Angeles, California, US


Masqued Mandie wrote:
At my school they were offering $9.50/hr to pose nude. $8.50/hr to pose clothed.

Wow.

That's...laughable.  I mean, I make 9.25 an hour at one of my part-time jobs, and 8.50 an hour at my other part-time job, but I'm there for 9-hour shifts.

One of the major schools here was offering $14 an hour, but soon they realized that all the models were taking other schools as priority, because ALL other schools in the immediate area pay $20-25 an hour.

The school closest to my house just raised their rate to $50 per session, instead of $45, and started offering $60 per session for night classes, because the model coordinator realized that everyone else was offering at LEAST that much.

I have never heard of an art school paying so little, and I started in Wisconsin.

Nov 03 10 11:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Kevin extreme
Posts: 3
South Bend, Indiana, US


In my experience the last 5 years in northern IN and Southern MI is the schools pay between $15 - $30 per hour and the times range from a one hour class to 3 hour classes.  It is easy money and I have made a lot of contacts by doing the classes that have gotten me other paying jobs.  University classes are my favorite because in my experience they have been run more professionally.
Nov 03 10 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 18,013
Albany, New York, US


RodsHotShots wrote:
Makes me wonder though why models charge much more to photographers when many takers will do a nude session in front of a large group of artists in a art class for a little more than minimum wage.

They do it because they're their own boss. But more importantly because people are willing to pay the money.

Furthermore, posing nude for a class is vastly different in a lot of ways than for photographers. The traditional art medium acts as a psychological barrier for the public in a lot of ways. Hanging a piece I've painted in my local boonified coffee shop, wouldn't generate any uproar. Yet the same piece in the photographic medium, people would get pissy.

It is what it is.

Nov 03 10 12:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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KMP
Posts: 4,778
Houston, Texas, US


Extreme Body Art wrote:

Really?

The most I have seen an art class pay for posing nude is up to $25/hr... crazy.

That's the wonderful thing of Supply and Demand though... if the artist is no picky, then he/she will not need to pay that much.

Like any pricing. I'm sure it will vary depending on the market. Plus, no matter how little someone will work for.. you'll find someone to work for less.. 

I'm a believer that you get what you pay for..but still you can still find cheaper..

Nov 03 10 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jennifer R K
Posts: 729
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Masqued Mandie wrote:
At my school they were offering $9.50/hr to pose nude. $8.50/hr to pose clothed.

Yikes. That's way below minimum wage in my province. :S

Nov 03 10 08:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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The dark Satyr
Posts: 2,506
Normal, Illinois, US


I was paid 17$/hr at a Florida community college.
$14.75 at Illinois state Uni.

hey...it covered my beer cost
Nov 03 10 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Two Pears Studio
Posts: 3,349
Wilmington, Delaware, US


I would say more than half of the people who pose for me... do it for free or gas money. The half accept 10-15 per hour.

Groups, I will pay up to 25.

I always book three hour sittings! with a painting taking typically three to five sittings.
Nov 03 10 08:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,354
Upland, California, US


That sounds about right.


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Nov 03 10 10:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sha-Lynne
Posts: 22,681
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I think the most that I have been offered for art classes was $35/hr.  But with colleges, it is a steady gig and can be a full day of work.
Nov 03 10 10:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Awe-InspiringPhotograpy
Posts: 273
Tallahassee, Florida, US


The art classes at my school just pay a flat rate of $15hr. Its been $15hr for the past 4years. The models will pose for the art classes but not in front of a camera. Funny thing is the artist drawing the models are also the photography students offering more money($35-75hr) to models for nude digital work. I do not understand it.
Nov 03 10 10:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jennifer R K
Posts: 729
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Awe-InspiringPhotograpy wrote:
The art classes at my school just pay a flat rate of $15hr. Its been $15hr for the past 4years. The models will pose for the art classes but not in front of a camera. Funny thing is the artist drawing the models are also the photography students offering more money($35-75hr) to models for nude digital work. I do not understand it.

I totally understand it.

Posing for a camera is way different than posing for painters. I was posing for art classes nude long before I was comfortable posing in front of the camera nude. Paintings are very interpretive which can be more flattering and anonymous for the model, whereas photos document every flaw, they could end up anywhere, and the identify of the model is totally apparent. Personally, this has the potential to make me feel somewhat more vulnerable photo modeling (though in general I don't feel that way). A few extra bucks won't really influence someone's decisions if it comes down to what they feel comfortable and confident with.

Nov 04 10 02:33 am  Link  Quote 
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L J K
Posts: 267
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


I'm curious as to how you get these jobs at the universities. Anyone care to explain?
Nov 04 10 10:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dane Halo
Posts: 1,145
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


I used to pose for classes, but straining my back (I have a very bad back) to stay in one pose for an hour was just NOT worth $12.  For goodness sakes, I'd go buy some painkillers and a bottle of water after the shoot and spend half what I made CREATING that pain, haha.  It's just not my cup of tea!   The poses are very different from those for a photographic medium in that they have to be held for long periods of time.  I do love posing for private paintings/drawings however because it's only ONE pose, and usually the pose is somewhat comfortable.

Also funny... I went to a highschool for fine arts.  Was weird when an old, fellow nerd classmate showed up to the class and said, "Hey!  So you're still drawing, huh?  I hear we have a new model tonight..." I just looked away, sheepishly smiled and said, "Something like that."

I was cruel.  Kept eye contact with him for several of the preliminary poses.  Poor guy's drawings all came out kinda scribbly...  Couldn't help it.

I have other stories.  No feeling in my legs, and trying to stand up... kissed the carpet.  smile  Ohhhhh good times.
Nov 04 10 11:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,546
Glendora, California, US


Alisyn Carliene wrote:
I've never been offered that low.. Usually 50-80 or up to 120 is standard at least the offers i've been made for a 2 hr. class.

That's fantastic.  What college?  I'd like to give the heads up to some models.  They're only getting $18.00 - $22.00 per hour or so here in Pasadena.

Nov 05 10 03:31 am  Link  Quote 
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Karl Baxter
Posts: 3,531
Birmingham, England, United Kingdom


I'd imagine an art class will be less fussy about "quality" of the model (ie, the photographic quality) because there's more interpretation there and generally, in a class scenario, it's about learning a craft, rather than producing an image for commercial consumption on whatever level.

The release issue comes into play too and the fact that potential usage can bring its own reward. Even at the GWC end, there's a more defined requirement or "taste" and a different motivation.

Similarly, I charge less to photograph a family, or child than i do to photograph for a fashion client, or similar.. less planning, less commercial exploitation by the end user, less ball-ache all round really.

In saying that, you're more likely to find a model willing to "trade up" and shoot nudes for free with a photographer than an art class.. more to gain.
Nov 05 10 04:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Vector One Photography
Posts: 2,733
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


I have never heard of an art class modeling getting anything close to a photographic model. Does seem to be weird to have such a difference in the two pay scales.  The art class models have to hold a pose for a long time while the photo models are usually checking poses every minute or less.

When I was in junior college the art class models were students getting paid on a work-study as part of their financial aid package.  You can be sitting next to them in english class and then paint nudes of them in your art class.
Nov 05 10 04:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,344
Asheville, North Carolina, US


$10.00 - $20.00 per hour in this area mostly in the low teens, more for photography.
There's a whole set of assumptions regarding class, culture and commodity value of a woman's body that go into producing the difference. Mechanical reproduction lowers the price per object and depending on other aesthetic, cultural and economic factors increases the perceived availability of the woman represented.
Nov 05 10 04:48 am  Link  Quote 
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afplcc
Posts: 5,996
Fairfax, Virginia, US


Lindsey Joy  wrote:
I'm curious as to how you get these jobs at the universities. Anyone care to explain?

First, some areas actually have a figure model's group.  In the DC area there is one (I believe it's the Washington Figure Model's Guild").  The gallery closest to me that also offers figure classes uses a model from the WFMG.

Second, usually there is a point of contact with an art department.  Go into the Dept. office on campus or call and ask who the point-of-contact is for figure models, every dept. has one.  I'm very near GMU and have used a number of GMU's students who also model on campus.

Third, most campuses (again, outside the art dept.) will have a bulletin board where you can post an index card or a notice.

With just a little big of leg work--basically a few phone calls, nowhere near the amount of work it takes to typically set up a shoot with most MM photographers--you can often get hooked into 2-3-4 classes (multiple hours or back-to-back) for a semester.  The catch is...they may have you do just one class first (to check reliability and fit--can you stand still?  are you comfortable getting nude?) before they book you for all of the Figure-101 and Dynamic Figure-201 classes for the semester.

Note:  there are a couple of universities that hold figure classes and they prohibit their own students from being models in them (Washington University in St. Louis is one).  My understanding is that it's to avoid potential harassment issues.  So don't assume that the on-campus students always get first crack at these jobs--sometimes they do and sometimes they're prohibited from doing so.

--Ed

Nov 05 10 07:52 am  Link  Quote 
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afplcc
Posts: 5,996
Fairfax, Virginia, US


Vector One Photography wrote:
I have never heard of an art class modeling getting anything close to a photographic model. Does seem to be weird to have such a difference in the two pay scales.  The art class models have to hold a pose for a long time while the photo models are usually checking poses every minute or less.

When I was in junior college the art class models were students getting paid on a work-study as part of their financial aid package.  You can be sitting next to them in english class and then paint nudes of them in your art class.

Actually, if you figure in costs, transportation, and setting up a shoot, pay is almost comparable for some models.   

--A model I've done a number of shots with also does a couple of multi-hour classes at a local university and gets $15 an hour for a couple of hours (let's say multiple classes in one day or a total of $90).  The school is a close commute to her (she has no car), there are no clothing, prop or makeup expenses for this work.
--that same model said she spends an average of 3 hours setting up shoots for each hour of paid shooting time she gets.  If she charges $50 an hour that averages out to $12.50 per hour.  Plus transportation expenses, clothing and props, makeup. 

Let's be honest:  very few models spend the bulk of their time actually doing shoots.  From what I've been told, the majority of time is spent answering emails and calls, confirming details, checking references, figuring out how to get there, getting things packed/ready for the shoot, and transportation time to and from.  It's one thing to say "I get $50/$100 per hour for modeling nude."  But that doesn't figure in all the time spent getting that shoot.   Models who pose for figure classes have a bit of setup to get hired and then once you're in the system, prove yourself to be reliable and a good fit, can often get as many classes as you're willing to sign up for.  That can mean just saying "Tuesday is my school day--I'm hanging out at the student union between my 3 figure classes."  It's not "get-rich-quick" scheme by any means.  But if you're a model who lives in a part of the country where there are slow seasons for models (even nude models) and don't want to try traveling across the country, posing for an art school or university actually is pretty comparable pay-wise for what a lot of models earn posing for photographers.

--Ed

Nov 05 10 08:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Mikell H
Posts: 150
San Francisco, California, US


Lindsey Joy  wrote:
I'm curious as to how you get these jobs at the universities. Anyone care to explain?

in addition to universities you very likely have at least one if not more art colleges or schools in a town of your size and quick check on Google would likely bring these up been basically call their main office

Nov 05 10 08:13 am  Link  Quote 
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