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ok..kill me..I can't figure out how to do a search within the forums and I am sure this has probably been asked before... is it absolutely necessary to use airbrush makeup in an airbrush or is it a gimmick? I know this is a bad example, but I have seen shows like Project Runway where the makeup artists are using regular liquid foundation in their airbrushes...does this ruin the airbrush? Does it need to be diluted? I am seriously looking into getting an airbrush after years of contemplating it and just have a few of these silly questions I need answered first. Thanks in advance **L** Aug 06 06 11:25 pm Link i wish i knew...hmm good question. at first i thought it was a gimmick also, but then i've seen some pretty good airbrush work. i dont know, if you find out let me know?! i may consider learning it as well if it's really that beneficial good luck LMA Aug 06 06 11:27 pm Link I have never bought airbrush foundations before, it was just a matter of playing mad scientist and figuiring out what formula works best. When I was still in make-up school I went all crazy for the mac select spf, and then soon after I decided that I hated it. So I just thinned it with water put a little super sealer in the mix, and put it through my airbrush. Which works fine for photoshoots, but we all know that MAC foundation is super flakey so it just doesnt hold up. Usually you can take whatever the base of the make-up is and thin the foundation out. My friend is sponsored by NARS and he just waters down their foundation and puts it through an airbrush. You can use 244 to thin out silicone based foundations (hyperreal, face atelier, colorstay), but for most things water works. Just make sure to clean the airbrush with whatever the base of the product you are using is... if it is waterbased use water,,, silicone based... use 244 fluid. I am looking into getting the Temptu SB stuff, they have a "starter" set of 1/4 jars of all the colors for pretty cheap. Aug 06 06 11:31 pm Link I'm also looking to getting an airbrush, It's not a demand, but would to have it anyways. Here is a website, that offers airbrush makeup. http://thetanningstore.com/category.aspx?categoryID=214 Aug 07 06 12:30 am Link rachelrose wrote: what is 244? Aug 07 06 01:14 am Link Hey Lottie- In theory you can really use any foundation through an airbrush, but for best results, yes you want to use something formulated specifically for one, and here's why: In order to pass through the gun without clogging, the foundation needs to be of a very thin consistency, and most 'regular' foundations are too thick or viscous, even the sheer ones, for this purpose. In order to get them through, they need to be cut or diluted with something (either water, alcohol, or 244 Fluid which is a Silicone Liquid). The problem with doing it this way is this: when you water down a product...you get a watered-down product! You get a foundation that is no longer performing the way it was designed to be used, as both the coverage and the longevity have been compromised. Think about it this way: when was the last time watering down anything improved its quality? No one would advise a painter to waterdown his Oil Paints or Acrylics to use through an airbrush, or tell a pastry chef to waterdown icing for theirs, so its sort of a diservice when a company tells you to thin down their makeup for use in a gun. And its usually the ones who don't make an airbrush specifc product who do. When you use an airbrush specific foundation, this is obviously not the case: with very few exceptions, they all come ready to use straight out of the bottle. Also, remember that the airbrush is not magic: all it does is disperse a very concentrated foundation that's high in coverage very evenly, so that you need to use a minimum of product, even to acheive full coverage. The result should look like perfect skin with very little makeup. When you put a regular foundation in that's also been 'thinned' you'll of course need to use way more to acheive the same result, hence negating the very purpose of using an airbrush in the purpose. I should disclose that I own a makeup company that among other things, makes airbrush foundation, but I promise you that's not the motivation I have in giving you this advice: I've been doing makeup for 10+ years and airbrushing for 8 of them, and I learned this fact the hard way. Save yourself both the frustration and wasted product (and the clogging, and the constant touchups, and 'melting face syndrome!') and find yourself a great airbrush makeup! Thanks! DK Aug 07 06 06:35 am Link Here is a recent thread that is about foundations for airbrushing. https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=55859 Aug 07 06 07:10 am Link Lottie wrote: If you go to the bottom of the page where all the forums are listed there is a search box to use for forum searches. Aug 07 06 07:11 am Link Lottie wrote: 244 is an adhesive remover. Aug 07 06 10:32 am Link It has to be a water based foundation....if it is not.....then you can say bye bye to your machine. That airbrush machine is expensive! Mine was over $500 and that included the gun, the compressor, and the foundations which are very thin in consitency...water based........but cover flawlessly. I would not chance it. Aug 07 06 08:42 pm Link Airbsuh foundations do not have to be water based, you just have to clean your airbrush and take care of it. Aug 07 06 09:57 pm Link rachelrose wrote: Oh so you are saying that my teacher was wrong about the machine. If there is oil or silcon on the foundations it will ruin the machine. By the way you spelled airbrush wrong Aug 08 06 07:04 pm Link LOL Rachel! Who taught YOU how to airbrush??? Yes, you can run silicone and oil based foundations through an airbrush. What will ruin the GUN and not the MACHINE is cleaning with the wrong medium. Aug 08 06 07:32 pm Link Even as one of the manufacturers of water-based airbrush makeup, I can tell you that it is just fine to use other mediums (including Alcohol & Silicone) in your airbrush. One of the reasons some artists prefer waterbased foundations is because they clean out of the gun more easily than Silicone and Alcohol, as they require no special cleanser to do so (they usually clean out with regular tap water). But this doesn't mean that it's the only thing that works, and it certainly doesn't meam anything else will ruin your gun. I happen to prefer waterbased foundations because the texture is more workable and adapts more easily to the type of finish you're going for (matte vs. shiny), but it is fun to experiment with alternative textures once and a while. Go ahead and try it, you might be surprised. Good luck! DK Aug 08 06 07:41 pm Link I have talked to MUA's that thin out Revlon Colorstay and Loreal True Match foundation with thinner and like it. I tried it and did not care for it. ( Maybe because I have not had my machine for long and was not using the right concentration amounts. My husband got tired of me bitching about it and told me to order the freakin Airbrush make-up, so I did. I heard from a friend NOT to use Dinair products (I have the Dinair compressor) so I went with Temptu SB and LOVE, LOVE, LOVE IT! I got the $75 "sample" kit that has small tester size bottles of every "foundation" shade. I still thin it out a little.....don't know if I'm supposed to or not, but I do. It seems to work better. LOL.....for beginners, be sure to use thinner (or 224) but not water, because it only made a mess for me with the traditional foundations. Keep in mind I AM NO EXPERT ON AIRBRUSHING, I am just giving you MY example of what happend to me. Any comments or advice? I'll be happy to take it! Aug 15 06 08:30 pm Link Cool Artist2005 wrote: Oh my god, I so just saw this. All I have to say is good riddance to this chick. Aug 15 06 10:00 pm Link Just for the record it is REALLY hard to break an airbrush "machine" unless you treat it to some serious physical trauma. WHat you can do is blunt your needle, split your tips, lock your chuck, get gunk in your air valve assembly, or generally just make it REALLY difficult to clean. With parts and patience almost any airbrush can be repaired. What the others said about cleaning the right medium with the right cleaner is spot on. . . And for the record...it REALLY bothers me when people are taught complete nonsense by someone who's only qualification is taking a class from someone else. Aug 15 06 10:11 pm Link Just for the record it is REALLY hard to break an airbrush "machine" unless you treat it to some serious physical trauma. WHat you can do is blunt your needle, split your tips, lock your chuck, get gunk in your air valve assembly, or generally just make it REALLY difficult to clean. With parts and patience almost any airbrush can be repaired. What the others said about cleaning the right medium with the right cleaner is spot on. . . And for the record...it REALLY bothers me when people are taught complete nonsense by someone who's only qualification is taking a class from someone else. Aug 15 06 10:11 pm Link Lottie wrote: Lottie Aug 16 06 02:30 am Link on speaking of airbrush, has anyone heard of an company called airbrushcity.com, I stumbled across on a ebay listing they posted. They have very reasonable prices, I wonder if it's the best bet, if they offer waranties on their products. thanks, christy Aug 16 06 03:42 am Link ChristyR wrote: I have never heard of airbrush city, but when I first thought about buying my airbrush I also went to Ebay (looking for a deal..as always). I found the O2 Cosmetics system and found that cheaper is not always better (my mom always said so, but...). I eventually ended up getting the Temptu system with the S/B foundations and they work great for me. Temptu also makes a water based formula, see :http://www.temptu.com/theme.php?id=29 and check out the aqua airbrush makeup. Aug 16 06 08:53 am Link Ty Shaw wrote: One more thing, I haven't used an airbrush in any of my pics yet, but I look forward to it! Aug 16 06 08:55 am Link ChristyR wrote: It looks to me that they sell "Airbrush City" brand airbrushes. I've been offered the chance to sell "People Painters" or "Second Skin" airbrushes as well. There is a manufacturer in, I think, China that offers to make "your name here" brand airbrushes. Chances are that what you are looking at is a cheap knockoff. I have heard some people swear by the knockoffs that they have bought from other companies, and other people curse them. Me, I don't trust the quality or durability to be there. Aug 16 06 09:36 am Link Cool Artist2005 wrote: diddn't she quit already? Go home. https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=67893 Aug 16 06 11:09 am Link melodyw wrote: Yeah she did, I was just giving out a final "good riddance". Aug 16 06 11:14 am Link Thanks, Rich. I will defintely wait and buy the Iwatas I've been wanting to buy. I will be chancing it for something that is an investment in my makeup kit. She's addicted to mm. Aug 16 06 01:29 pm Link Cool Artist2005 wrote: Temptu makes a line of silicone based paints just for airbrushing. As well any tattoo paint will be alcohol based so water is not your only option. Water won't evaporate as quickly and its thinner so its easier to clean but as long as you clean it out all is good. I have been running my Iwata HCS eclipes with these paints and have never had a problem. Aug 18 06 08:55 am Link I have found that "water based" airbrush foundations work quite well in photography where the artist can be on top of the model and repair and retouch when needed. It does not, however, hold up to a long shoot day on a film or video set. I have had some serious problems with "name" brand water based airbrush formulas in these situations. For my peace of mind and a more consistent finish, I stick to silicone and alcohol based airbrush foundations for production work. They might be harder to clean up, but the results are much more reliable. Aug 18 06 09:22 am Link Kevin-James Bennett wrote: Prior to introducing OCC Skin, I shared many of the same concerns Kevin does with existing water-based airbrush formulas. However, as the majority of my work is usually filmed in Hi-Definition, I had to err on the side of products that dried to a more matte finish: any kind of shine, unless very strategically applied and maintained, will drive the Hi-Def techs crazy, who will in turn do the same to you! As these days are usually at least 12 hours long, durability is a concern. The last thing you want to do is annoy everyone on set with frequent touchups throughout the day, or be locked into powdering excessively if you do use a more moist-looking base. This more than anything is what inspired me to create a superior water-based product. Aug 18 06 11:45 am Link David Klasfeld wrote: Hey D, Aug 18 06 12:18 pm Link Kevin-James Bennett wrote: Kevin, I couldn't agree more: the most valuable thing for an artist is to experience different techniques and products, and not to be "sold to" by just one brand. That's why to this point, the only workshops I've taught using my product also include a number of other brands as well. I'm always pleased to hear and provide alternative opinions in my classes: after all, there's no one prescribed correct method, and that's what makes what we do art, not science. Aug 18 06 12:38 pm Link makeupartsy wrote: Thanks Eugene Aug 19 06 12:08 am Link Cool Artist2005 wrote: lol.... Aug 19 06 12:29 am Link I use temptu sb and it works like an absolute dream  Worth the cost... Although it may be possible to thin out regular foundation, I feel that it's best to use the formulas specified for airbrush use. I've never had a problem with temptu. Aug 19 06 12:32 am Link 244 is sometimes used as an adhesive remover.. but it's actually a silicone oil. it's used as a carrier in many silicone based cosmetics.. it's a great Pros-Aide Transfer Remover. ' However.. on another note.. ProsAide and BetaBond are NOT Latex based!! They are Acrylic Based.. not the same thing at ALL! Also.. you cannot thin silicone adhesives with 244 fluid. That would be like thinning a glue with it's own remover. It's an OIL.. not a thinner. Kevin-James Bennett wrote: May 31 08 05:09 pm Link this might be a dumb question, since we are on the topic of air (bursh) ;P once you have applied the foundation, is there anything else you do, like in type of blending or what not? Sorry never done air brush before, looking to go to a seminar to learn more about it. vanessa perez May 31 08 07:37 pm Link vanessa perez wrote: Your goal is to leave the foundation as "untouched" as possible. Lots of brands market the moveability of their airbrushed foundation, which provides the user with a false sense of security - if you blend it after the application, then you've just sprayed makeup through a fancy (and expensive!) tool with no real benefit. May 31 08 09:33 pm Link David Klasfeld wrote: makes perfect sense, thanks David! I will go take a look right now. May 31 08 10:00 pm Link David Klasfeld wrote: Totally sold!! Jan 26 12 08:41 am Link vanessa perez wrote: The whole idea of A/B is that the compressor does the work 'for you'. You want to keep the dot pattern it creates as intact as possible. However, if you get an area that's blotchy/uneven, you can certainly blend it out but, don't allow the A/B foundation set before you fix it, bc then it won't budge. I prefer to use my (very clean) fingers to touch-up. However, a duo-fiber brush or beauty blender would work also. HTH! Jan 26 12 12:03 pm Link |
