double_dog wrote:
Anybody know a qualified expert in his area who can help him out?

Roadtrip Photography wrote:
Use this to cover

http://www.sillyfarm.com/store/index.ph … parent=226

and this to glue items to the body

http://www.sillyfarm.com/store/index.ph … parent=223

I know you think you're helping, but this is not something that should be done by a novice.  ProsAide is a serious prosthetic adhesive that needs to be handled by a person with SFX training. 
Why is it so hard for you guys to accept the information we give you?  This is our area of expertise.  None of us tell you how to do your job...do you realize how frustrating this kind of behavior is?  I sincerely hope you're prepared to take responsibility if this photographer hurts his model using these products.

I'm out of here for real this time.

KJ Bennett Beauty wrote:
I know you think you're helping, but this is not something that should be done by a novice.  ProsAide is a serious prosthetic adhesive that needs to be handled by a person with SFX training. 
Why is it so hard for you guys to accept the information we give you?  This is our area of expertise.  None of us tell you how to do your job...do you realize how frustrating this kind of behavior is?  I sincerely hope you're prepared to take responsibility if this photographer hurts his model using these products.

I'm out of here for real this time.

Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:
Why is it so hard to realize I want to be educated so that I may protect my model form unscrupulous wannabe's who pretend to know what they are doing and might get away with it due to my ignorance?

Some of the above answers stopped me from trusting the wrong person, now I need info so I know who to trust!!!

OK, you want to be educated on booking a credible artist...here we go.

You ask the artist you're considering a very simple question...Have they EVER used the adhesive products on the genital area of anyone before?
If they haven't and you're worried about the safety of the product on a model - have the artist test if on themselves or on you prior to the shoot.
If you're genuinely concerned, paint some on your penis and see what happens.

Pretty simple, right?

KJ Bennett Beauty wrote:
OK, you want to be educated on booking a credible artist...here we go.

You ask the artist you're considering a very simple question...Have they EVER used the adhesive products on the genital area of anyone before?
If they haven't and you're worried about the safety of the product on a model - have the artist test if on themselves or on you prior to the shoot.
If you're genuinely concerned, paint some on your penis and see what happens.

Pretty simple, right?

Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:
Not simple at all. I am not going to try something that might hurt me on myself anymore that I would try it on someone else.
And the person I ask the question of might lie and say yes, or they might have actually tried it one someone who by some strange turn of fate had no adverse reaction that particular time.
Knowledge is still the best protection and so far nobody is willing to help me protect my model.

If anything, all this secretiveness has taught me to NOT trust ANY artist on their own word.

OK, this is going around in circles and I have lost whatever patience i have left.  So let me say this one last time before I say something that gets me in trouble.
There is no safe commercial adhesive to use on genitalia.  If an adhesive product is dangerous to get in your eye or cannot be ingested, it is unsafe to use in the vaginal area.  i don't understand why you refuse to hear this or assume that there's some secret product we're keeping from you.
 
Many times we are forced to use questionable adhesives and products for SFX, but we're covered by the production's insurance or the actor has signed a waiver that protects us from liability.  If you have a good insurance policy or the model is willing to sign a waiver...use what ever you want to.

Good night.


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PTPhotoUT wrote:
Thumbtacks and staples work for me.


Actually rubber cement is great and it comes off very easily. Apply to model and the decoration. Let dry. Then stick them together.

Wrong!
I used that a long time ago when I didnt know any better and they scarred for 3 months!

KJ Bennett Beauty wrote:

OK, this is going around in circles and I have lost whatever patience i have left.  So let me say this one last time before I say something that gets me in trouble.
There is no safe commercial adhesive to use on genitalia.  If an adhesive product is dangerous to get in your eye or cannot be ingested, it is unsafe to use in the vaginal area.  i don't understand why you refuse to hear this or assume that there's some secret product we're keeping from you.
 
Many times we are forced to use questionable adhesives and products for SFX, but we're covered by the production's insurance or the actor has signed a waiver that protects us from liability.  If you have a good insurance policy or the model is willing to sign a waiver...use what ever you want to.

Good night.


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Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:
I am intending exactly what I said; to cover the nipples and vulva as if feathers were growing on them.

The model needs to wear a bikini bottom.  Then you put a prosthetic piece over top.  When gluing the prosthetic piece to the skin, the glue is no where near the genitals. 

You don't do such work directly on the skin.  That's why there is NO SUCH GLUE that you should use for what you have described.

This should NOT be done by anyone that does not have experience with these material and adhesive.  Not only does the piece need to be properly placed, so that nothing is touching areas near the genitals, it also has to be removed properly with the proper adhesive remove and method.

Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:
You keep saying "don't use this, use something else" but you don;t tell me what that something else is! This is not helpful at all.

ACTUALLY, I'm not saying don't use this or don't use that. I'm saying don't use anything to glue stuff to someone's genitals, anal membranes, or what have you. I'm saying that unless you have someone willing to cover you for potential damages you should stay away from it. I don't care if you've seen it done elsewhere, someone else got away with it (maybe) but that doesn't mean it should be repeated. I think it is a bad idea, and I have considerable experience with full body coverage AND adhesive products.

I think this is a bad idea.

liz yu wrote:

The model needs to wear a bikini bottom.  Then you put a prosthetic piece over top.  When gluing the prosthetic piece to the skin, the glue is no where near the genitals. 

You don't do such work directly on the skin.  That's why there is NO SUCH GLUE that you should use for what you have described.

This should NOT be done by anyone that does not have experience with these material and adhesive.  Not only does the piece need to be properly placed, so that nothing is touching areas near the genitals, it also has to be removed properly with the proper adhesive remove and method.

BodyPainter Rich wrote:

ACTUALLY, I'm not saying don't use this or don't use that. I'm saying don't use anything to glue stuff to someone's genitals, anal membranes, or what have you. I'm saying that unless you have someone willing to cover you for potential damages you should stay away from it. I don't care if you've seen it done elsewhere, someone else got away with it (maybe) but that doesn't mean it should be repeated. I think it is a bad idea, and I have considerable experience with full body coverage AND adhesive products.

I think this is a bad idea.

Lisa Berczel wrote:
I'm stuck on the fact that people want to glue to genitals instead of a thong because it's easier for them because of a LACK of Photoshop skills.

Yes, retouching is easier if the model is nude. BUT to increase risk because of a lack of BASIC Photoshop skills?????? There's a ton of Photoshop Wizzards on MM who will jump at the chance to touch up a feather crotch.

And, expect a feather glue application to the crotch to feel more like a gynecological exam to the model than an ART project. That level of intrusiveness WILL come across in your images unless your dealing with a very experienced/comfortable model.

To anyone getting pissy because we're not answering the question? I'm sorry, we are. We're just not giving the answer that everyone wants to hear......

Edit to add for emphasis:
My portfolio is FULL of images from sets where there was a very REAL risk of harm. Metal. Edged weapons. Sparks. Fire. Water. Fire IN Water...

These risks were another member of the crew and the level of precautions were significant. But these risks were undertaken by all involved because the RISK was as much a SUBJECT of the image as anything else - not because of a technical skill copout.

Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:
Creating feathers on the body and making them look realistic is NOT a basic PS skill.
And using even the smallest thong covers too much therefore the feather patch would have to be too large for the look this girl wants.
I know my limits and am looking for a way to do this safely for my friend. What Liz said makes a lot of sense and I had not thought of that alternative so now I am asking the question to confirm that I got the right idea out of her information.

And I am dealing with someone who is THAT COMFORTABLE.

Microthongs - pick your color of base fabric - glue feathers on it.
Adjust the thong placement till you get as much showing "up front" as you need. Mark the placement. Remove. Glue the feathers on. Now you've got wardrobe....

You'll still have to PS the strap - even in Liz's response.

I'm now officially confused by this thread.

Lisa Berczel wrote:

Microthongs - pick your color of base fabric - glue feathers on it.
Adjust the thong placement till you get as much showing "up front" as you need. Mark the placement. Remove. Glue the feathers on. Now you've got wardrobe....

You'll still have to PS the strap - even in Liz's response.

I'm now officially confused by this thread.

I use spirit gum at the top of a g-string and then at the back.... snip the strings... the model looks as nude as!

Tim Gratton wrote:

I use spirit gum at the top of a g-string and then at the back.... snip the strings... the model looks as nude as!

Lisa Berczel wrote:

Microthongs - pick your color of base fabric - glue feathers on it.
Adjust the thong placement till you get as much showing "up front" as you need. Mark the placement. Remove. Glue the feathers on. Now you've got wardrobe....

You'll still have to PS the strap - even in Liz's response.

I'm now officially confused by this thread.

Me too, although grateful too. First nobody wanted to say anything to help me recognize a good and trustworthy artist, and now I am getting information telling me how to do it myself!

Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:

Me too, although grateful too. First nobody wanted to say anything to help me recognize a good and trustworthy artist, and now I am getting information telling me how to do it myself!

Tiny bit of a face palm.... if you've not done this kind of body makeup and wardrobe building - you'll get better results by building a solid team.

If you just want to play around, just continue caution in assuming the risks your model will be subjected to.

Lisa Berczel wrote:
Tiny bit of a face palm.... if you've not done this kind of body makeup and wardrobe building - you'll get better results by building a solid team.

If you just want to play around, just continue caution in assuming the risks your model will be subjected to.

Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:

Me too, although grateful too. First nobody wanted to say anything to help me recognize a good and trustworthy artist, and now I am getting information telling me how to do it myself!

I was just gonna mention that back in the day when I was doing undergrad photo, one of my fellow students was really into shooting people with (studio-generated) mutations and such (and this is back when we all shot film); anyway, he was doing some work with 4x5 Astia of a nude reptilian girl, and ended up placing a plastic vagina (purchased from an "adult" store) over the model's real deal and touching up the details on it, not unlike what you are suggesting. In the finished shots, it really looked authentic, complete with faux-alligator skin labia...

Sorry to be nearly a week late with this; I just stumbled onto it when looking for advice on adhesives for a less radical series I'm working on for my MFA entrance portfolio. The thread has halped a lot, by the way; thanks to the OP and everyone involved.

Take care!
Darin

Carlos Arturo Velarde wrote:
My problem is I am not that good with Photoshop and editing the thong on the edges of the hips on a high contrast image is a nightmare to me...

There are also those weird thongs without the side strings ( I believe they're called c-strings). You could glue it to that. I've never bought one, but it sounds easier to cover lady bits with that then trying to glue something directly to such sensitive skin.