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Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


OK, so there may already be a thread about this but don't kill me...

I am preparing to do a big project with body paint. I'll be painting enitre bodies and drawing masks on faces etc. I need a little help on deciding what type of body paint to use. I need something that comes in larger jars (I went to Ricky's NYC and they only have these tiny jars of body paint). Is it safe to just use regular acrylic paint?

Help!
Aug 25 06 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


Ty, whatever you do, avoid using Acrylic Paints on skin. The can at the least be irritating, and at the worst be damaging or corrosive.

My company makes a brand of Airbrush Body Paint called OCC Ink™ (that can also be applied by hand), which you can read more about here. If you're in New York, you can find my products at Alcone on West 49th Street. There are lots of other brands of Body Paint there too, but obviously I like the one I created the best wink

Regardless of what you choose, please just promise me you'll keep the Acrylics designated for use on non-living things only! smile

Good luck!!
DK
Aug 25 06 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


David Klasfeld wrote:
Ty, whatever you do, avoid using Acrylic Paints on skin. The can at the least be irritating, and at the worst be damaging or corrosive.

My company makes a brand of Airbrush Body Paint called OCC Ink™ (that can also be applied by hand), which you can read more about here. If you're in New York, you can find my products at Alcone on West 49th Street. There are lots of other brands of Body Paint there too, but obviously I like the one I created the best wink

Regardless of what you choose, please just promise me you'll keep the Acrylics designated for use on non-living things only! smile

Good luck!!
DK

Trust me, I haven't tried that at all! Someone else suggested it and I decided to find out more first!
With your airbrush body paint, can I use it with my airbrush system( I have the temptu system)? Does it give full coverage?

Aug 25 06 03:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


Sure Ty, any airbrush product can be used in any airbrush system. The important part of that equation is the product, not the equipment (anyone who's tried to put regular, undiluted foundation thru a gun knows what I'm talking about).

The equipment we sell is by Iwata, and while the both Silver Jet and Revolution guns we sell are very popular amongst makeup artists, people use them for illustration and even pastry airbrushing as well. As long as your gun has a .3mm nozzle or above, you'll be good to go. And yes, OCC Ink gives very full coverage.

Hope that helps!
DK
Aug 25 06 03:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtChick LLC
Posts: 94
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


I want to try body painting... how about these supplies:

http://www.liquidlatexonline.com
Aug 25 06 03:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


David Klasfeld wrote:
Sure Ty, any airbrush product can be used in any airbrush system. The important part of that equation is the product, not the equipment (anyone who's tried to put regular, undiluted foundation thru a gun knows what I'm talking about).

The equipment we sell is by Iwata, and while the both Silver Jet and Revolution guns we sell are very popular amongst makeup artists, people use them for illustration and even pastry airbrushing as well. As long as your gun has a .3mm nozzle or above, you'll be good to go. And yes, OCC Ink gives very full coverage.

Hope that helps!
DK

Thanks, it hepls alot!
I'm going to try out your product and a few things from temptu also.
thanks!

Aug 25 06 03:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


ArtChick Photos wrote:
I want to try body painting... how about these supplies:

http://www.liquidlatexonline.com

I've never tried liquid latex, but it looks interesting. I love the look on photography. I'd like to try it too. Any advice on a good product?

Aug 25 06 03:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


ArtChick Photos wrote:
I want to try body painting... how about these supplies:

http://www.liquidlatexonline.com

I've never tried liquid latex, but it looks interesting. I love the look on photography. I'd like to try it too. Any advice on a good product? The ones in the link you provided look ok. Any feedback?

Aug 25 06 03:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


ArtChick Photos wrote:
I want to try body painting... how about these supplies:

http://www.liquidlatexonline.com

I've never tried liquid latex, but it looks interesting. I love the look on photography. I'd like to try it too. Any advice on a good product? The ones in the link you provided look ok. Any feedback?

Aug 25 06 03:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Rayrayrose
Posts: 3,510
Los Angeles, California, US


did they mean like actual acrylic paint or pax paint (which originally is a mixture of prosaide, acrylic paint and something else I forget)? Because cinema secrets, kryloan and mehron (i think) have made a pax that is actually ok to use on the skin. But this was all talk a year or so ago, so I could be totally wrong.
Aug 25 06 03:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
montgomery photographic
Posts: 162
Sunnyvale, California, US


Ty Shaw wrote:

I've never tried liquid latex, but it looks interesting. I love the look on photography. I'd like to try it too. Any advice on a good product?

Liquid Latex hint: use a moistruizing creme on parts to get applied and check for longer hairs like pubs, neck etc,,,
airbrush several layers or more. use mineral oil based lotion to help remove.  I use Deviant brand.
Body paint: Ben Nye makes the best i've used.

Aug 25 06 03:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


montgomery photographic wrote:
airbrush several layers or more

Is there really a brand of airbrushable liquid latex out there? I would imagine this would clog the gun tremendously. I checked the Deviant site and there's no mention of airbrushing at all. If there is one out there, please let me know, I'd be very interested in working with one!

Thanks,
DK

Aug 25 06 04:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jennifer Black
Posts: 108
Covina, California, US


I've been bodypainted several times, and TempTu paint is excellent. I have extremely sensitive skin, and it's never caused any issue for me once.
Aug 25 06 04:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Airbrush Master
Posts: 3
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


HI What kind of project is this? face and body both? how much time do you have? and how detail you are going?
Aug 25 06 04:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Airbrush Master
Posts: 3
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


I might be able to help you, if you like my work ofcourse...
Aug 25 06 04:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kruppaworks
Posts: 400
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


Cool thread, I'm developing some body paint/liquid latex ideas too.  A question about the airbrush body paint: how do the colors mix?  And do you have to apply several coats for good coverage? 

My gut tells me to do a lot of testing, sketches, etc., before even bringing a model in, and then doing a skin test to check for allergic reactions.  What does everyone else say?

Jason
Aug 25 06 04:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


Airbrush Master wrote:
I might be able to help you, if you like my work ofcourse...

I would LOVE if you could help me!
I am painting face and body. I am creating masks out o the faces with paint and covering the rest of the body. I am also thinking about buying a few of the airbrush stencils from Temptu to try something different.

Is liquid latex really airbrushable? Would the Ben Nye paint be enough to cover the whole body? Where should I begin?

Aug 25 06 05:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


Airbrush Master wrote:
HI What kind of project is this? face and body both? how much time do you have? and how detail you are going?

It's a project for a photography exhibit. I am painting both face and body. I have lots of time and someone who can help me. I am only getting detailed with the face (for the tribal markings-african inspired theme).

Aug 25 06 05:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


Jason Kruppa wrote:
A question about the airbrush body paint: how do the colors mix?  And do you have to apply several coats for good coverage?

Hey Jason,

The ease of mixing colors is one of the biggest advantages of airbrushing with a top feed gun, through a very simple process called Back Bubbling. While your compressor is running, you simply put to colors you want drop by drop into the cup on top, cover the nozzle tightly with your fingertip and piece of tissue, press down on the trigger which backs the pressure up into the gun and makes the colors bubble up and mix together. This technique works especially well for customizing foundation shades on the spot, as well as gradually changing a color on the skin (a gradation of yellow to green for example, acheived by starting with yellow gradually introducing a few drops of blue).

If you're looking to make multiple color changes, you can usually just run the first one out completely, before switching to the next. If you're making a big jump between colors (going from red to white, say), then a few drops of alcohol between colors will make it certain that you don't spray pink for awhile in between.

The advantage to working this way is that you use only what you need, and waste very little product. As the products are very concentrated to begin with, you don't need to use a lot anyway: most artists only put between 6 - 12 drops of product in the gun at anytime, and repeat as necessary.

If your project involves a large area being covered in only one solid color (painting someone's legs gold for example), then you might prefer to use a bottom feed gun, onto which you attach a bottle of product. While this may seem more convenient overall, unless you're using a lot of the same color, you ending wasting quite a bit of product. As a rule of thumb, On average, 4oz of my Body Paint will cover the "average" model from head to toe in medium coverage layer of paint, but it'll only take 6-8 drops of the same product to do a medium sized temporary tattoo for example, so factor that in when deciding what route to go and how much paint to use.

Hope that helps!
DK

Aug 25 06 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Kevin-James Bennett
Posts: 782


I apologise if this sounds offensive...but this thread is starting to sound like an infomercial.
Aug 25 06 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Ty Shaw
Posts: 87
Brooklyn, New York, US


Kevin-James Bennett wrote:
I apologise if this sounds offensive...but this thread is starting to sound like an infomercial.

lol..that's mean sad

Aug 25 06 05:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Kevin-James Bennett
Posts: 782


Ty Shaw wrote:

lol..that's mean sad

I apologised before i said it...doesn't that get me off the hook?.....a little?

Aug 25 06 05:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


Kevin-James Bennett wrote:
I apologise if this sounds offensive...but this thread is starting to sound like an infomercial.

While I may have my own product line, I'm first and foremost a makeup artist. Like the rest of us, I'm very vocal about what products I like. Just as heartily as I recommend other brands I like in this forum, I'm equally enthusiastic about mine.

My goal with my line was to make superior products, not inferior ones: If I didn't love them and rely on them myself, I wouldn't recommend them to other artists. And as I've said before, it's my opinion that influences what products I sell, and not which products I sell that influence my opinion.

In hopes of avoiding this misconception, I've made it a point never to mention my products out of context, or start a thread simply intended to promote them. While I would hope to be taken on my word, I of course understand it's natural to be skeptical: In this Industry, the motivation behind an artist's endorsement is not always clear, which is why I've always made it a point to be very up front about mine.

As always, I hope this helps!
DK

Aug 25 06 06:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Kevin-James Bennett
Posts: 782


David Klasfeld wrote:
While I may have my own product line, I'm first and foremost a makeup artist. Like the rest of us, I'm very vocal about what products I like. Just as heartily as I recommend other brands I like in this forum, I'm equally enthusiastic about mine.

My goal with my line was to make superior products, not inferior ones: If I didn't love them and rely on them myself, I wouldn't recommend them to other artists. And as I've said before, it's my opinion that influences what products I sell, and not which products I sell that influence my opinion.

In hopes of avoiding this misconception, I've made it a point never to mention my products out of context, or start a thread simply intended to promote them. While I would hope to be taken on my word, I of course understand it's natural to be skeptical: In this Industry, the motivation behind an artist's endorsement is not always clear, which is why I've always made it a point to be very up front about mine.

As always, I hope this helps!
DK

(prepares for public apology)

Sorry David
http://kjbennett.com/blowingkisses.gif

Aug 25 06 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
stylist man
Posts: 34,372
New York, New York, US


Try

rachelrose's
Stylist Forum: FAQs
http://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=65200


And this list

list of body paint / bodypaint threads
http://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=46466
Aug 25 06 06:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
BodyPainter Rich
Posts: 17,927
Sacramento, California, US


While David's "mix as you go" process does work very well for not wasting product, you will lose time (often a factor on full body coverage). Using a single cup top mix arbrush and mixing as you go is also a problem for bodypainting for this reason.

Say you get the perfect "snake belly yellow" for the chest and belly and cover the model. Later you decide you need the same color for the top of the models foot OR the model drips diet soda on her chest...if you have the color pre-mixed in a bottle or in it's own airbrush you are good to go and fix it. If you were using a one ounce color cup you are S.O.L. and must try to match as best you can. One ounce, or half ounce color cup airbrushes are GREAT for the fine details of the face, and can be used for whole body work too (hell, I painted a 40'X20' mural with one WAY back before I knew better)...the point is if you are going to be bodypainting regular like, go ahead and get a bottle feed airbrush. If the project pays well at all you can easily absorb the cost.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have other questions.

Oh and personally, I don't like the way Ben Nye covers...there are better brands of liquid.

~Rich
Aug 25 06 06:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


Hey Rich!

Absolutely, for the type of work you do, pre-mixed through a bottom feed is without a doubt the only way to go. What I was trying to preclude with my caveat about the bottom feeds is the perception that it's the most convenient gun to work with if you're only buying one. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who wonder how they'll ever get just 6 drops of color to come out of a suction feed, or what to do with the ounce foundation they just custom blended for a model they'll never see again in their life! big_smile

Your work is magnificent by the way, and thanks for your comments on mine!

DK
Aug 25 06 06:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
BodyPainter Rich
Posts: 17,927
Sacramento, California, US


I know what you mean by 6 drops of color out of a siphon feed brush. When I was first starting and cost was a MAJOR factor to me I blended EVERYTHING with whatever color I had in the brush before...lol...made for some very subtle color wackiness for sure...ok maybe not so subtle.

Your method is perfect for blending eyes, blush etc. I just want people to know, especially pros on this forum that dealing with the surface area of a body has many more ramifications than just painting the face and neck. MHana posted the FAQ for bodypainting, which is a great place to start and I welcome questions myself on airbrushing or bodypainting if folks want to be specific.

By the way, David, you have some great work. That piece you did for G.E. caught my eye the first time I ever saw it in print. Love it.
Aug 25 06 08:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtChick LLC
Posts: 94
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


smile
Aug 25 06 08:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dragon Lily Photo
Posts: 523
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


montgomery photographic wrote:

Liquid Latex hint: use a moistruizing creme on parts to get applied and check for longer hairs like pubs, neck etc,,,
airbrush several layers or more. use mineral oil based lotion to help remove.  I use Deviant brand.
Body paint: Ben Nye makes the best i've used.

I use Deviant brand also, worked very well. Painted on, I do not think you can airbrush it.

Test a small patch on the model first to make sure there is nor reaction to it!!!

Aug 25 06 08:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
stylist man
Posts: 34,372
New York, New York, US


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Aug 26 06 08:38 am  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Lisa Berczel
Posts: 3,991
Corona, California, US


Ok, you've got the "hand slap" on acrylic (and it cracks like crazy)- and also comments from some of the major players in the industry. I always read these threads - good info to be had!!!

I WILL mention - just in case you have not come across this info - it is NOT advised to use alcohol based products on the face or anywhere near the eyes. Do you want alcohol in YOUR eyes?

As far as MY usage - I use what works for the task at hand. Alcohol based products or water based products depending on the EFFECT you are looking for.

Alcohol does give me greater durability and longevity. BUT - too thick and you've got a smeary mess. Opacity can be an issue.

That's where the strengh of the water based products shows themselves. However, they are NOT as durable. Yes, the fixers and addatives help.

So, I layer. Get the best of both worlds.

You won't know what to use till you experiment.

Might not be the answer you want, but hope this helps in some way.
PM if you want to chat more....

PS - Got my first order of OCC in - just started playing. Will subject my 15 year old daughter to massive amounts of bodypainting this week - but so far, I'm liking!!!!
Aug 27 06 04:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
David Klasfeld
Posts: 2,665
New York, New York, US


So happy to hear it Battledress! Please feel free to contact me directly with your comments, I can't wait to hear. smile You can find my direct contact info on my personal website.

Thanks and happy painting!!!
DK
Aug 27 06 06:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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