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Photographer
wynnesome
Posts: 5,389
Long Beach, California, US


Casting call specifies:
Full nudes
Model release required
Model to receive selected images from the shoot

Model replies with the following:
"...I am hesitant to have my rear end or "package" shot unless it is with my own semi-pro camera, which you could use, putting the responsibility into my own hands as to who sees these, where they end up, etc. (I come from a conservative family)"

Unnamed and un-outed model, you are delusional.  You have a mindset appropriate for shooting with GWC's at very best, which ironically is going to result in exactly the kind of images you DON'T want to be a part of.

Advice:  Reply to casting calls where your looks and availability actually MEET the needs of the project being described.  Don't have the extreme discourtesy of replying to a casting call with demands that are in clear contradiction to the shoot being offered.

The only thing making a strong showing here is your complete lack of professional-minded attitude.
Mar 17 11 12:41 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Elizabeth Claret
Posts: 56,032
Yelm, Washington, US


"Interested"
Mar 17 11 12:45 am  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Airballin
Posts: 312
Oakland, California, US


wynnesome wrote:
Advice:  Reply to casting calls where your looks and availability actually MEET the needs of the project being described.

+1

Mar 17 11 12:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MoRina
Posts: 5,633
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


wynnesome wrote:
Casting call specifies:
Full nudes
Model release required
Model to receive selected images from the shoot

Model replies with the following:
"...I am hesitant to have my rear end or "package" shot unless it is with my own semi-pro camera, which you could use, putting the responsibility into my own hands as to who sees these, where they end up, etc. (I come from a conservative family)"

Unnamed and un-outed model, you are delusional.  You have a mindset appropriate for shooting with GWC's at very best, which ironically is going to result in exactly the kind of images you DON'T want to be a part of.

Advice:  Reply to casting calls where your looks and availability actually MEET the needs of the project being described.  Don't have the extreme discourtesy of replying to a casting call with demands that are in clear contradiction to the shoot being offered.

The only thing making a strong showing here is your complete lack of professional-minded attitude.

Thank you for coming into the model forum with your negativity.  I would think it takes less time to laugh at the response and move on than it would to post about it, as if all of us need to be taught this lesson. 

Remember, not every person with a model profile here is really a model.

Mar 17 11 03:59 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Kat-a-tat-tat
Posts: 501
Pensacola, Florida, US


MO Rina wrote:
Remember, not every person with a model profile here is really a model.

well said.

Mar 17 11 04:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
V marie
Posts: 903
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US


I totally agree.
Mar 17 11 04:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
William Kious
Posts: 8,838
Delphos, Ohio, US


*giggles* 

I like the thought process, though.  It's sort of Amish in a way.  You can only capture her soul with HER camera.
Mar 17 11 04:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,658
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


MO Rina wrote:
Thank you for coming into the model forum with your negativity.  I would think it takes less time to laugh at the response and move on than it would to post about it, as if all of us need to be taught this lesson. 

Remember, not every person with a model profile here is really a model.

Actually, this sort of response is surprisingly common.  If I post a casting call for a nude modell I can guarantee I will get at least two replies from models who won't pose nude.  Ok, the OP's experience is extreme, but there are quite a few models out there who don't know what casting calls are.

Remember the OP's experience with models next time a model posts about the behaviour of photographers.

Mar 17 11 05:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PPHPhotography
Posts: 60
Cary, North Carolina, US


I like when folks vent because then I get to see what/how models, MUA's, hairstylists, photographers respond.

I don't do nudes, so that won't get said to me, however, I have had some "doozies" myself.  hehehe I've had more grand-folks die on my time here than I have ever heard before in my life.

I feel for the OP.
It is very insulting to have that response put to a professional photographer.
Very, very insulting.
He didn't ask, "who has a semi pro camera for me to use? lol
did she offer to bring flash lights and lamps?
Mar 17 11 05:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K Editorial Dreams
Posts: 144
New York, New York, US


wynnesome wrote:
Casting call specifies:
Full nudes
Model release required
Model to receive selected images from the shoot

Model replies with the following:
"...I am hesitant to have my rear end or "package" shot unless it is with my own semi-pro camera, which you could use, putting the responsibility into my own hands as to who sees these, where they end up, etc. (I come from a conservative family)"

Unnamed and un-outed model, you are delusional.  You have a mindset appropriate for shooting with GWC's at very best, which ironically is going to result in exactly the kind of images you DON'T want to be a part of.

Advice:  Reply to casting calls where your looks and availability actually MEET the needs of the project being described.  Don't have the extreme discourtesy of replying to a casting call with demands that are in clear contradiction to the shoot being offered.

The only thing making a strong showing here is your complete lack of professional-minded attitude.

I've started dropping casting calls or not answering those that do those types of things. Another annoyance, touched on with your statement, is simply not following instructions.

If it asks for you to explain what experience you have, leave contact information, general availability for the dates posted, etc-follow or don't apply.

Yet another is when one does look into those that show interest but don't seem to have that genre in their port-and it's called for-and it turns into a fight.

I a week ago had a model who applied for an erotica shoot which I was commissioned to shoot-and the ad was clear about my wanting experienced-and she then begins to ask me what depth are we going, and I told her-like any other genre, if it's your comfort range these questions don't come up. Theme, pay, publication-yes, but if someone is modeling wedding gowns it won't be followed by an interrogation as to what type and the poses.

When it comes down to it, either it's for you or it isn't-but applying to something you're not comfortable with only annoys me, the photographer-and you, eventually, when ten messages back and forth later I simply say no because it's not your genre.

I was still willing to work with her on something that suited her in the future, then she goes on a rant that I'm mean and cavalier with my decision making.

Sorry to rant-but this is my newest peeve, on top of the rest of them!

Mar 17 11 05:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Classic_Reflections
Posts: 442
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


MO Rina wrote:
Thank you for coming into the model forum with your negativity.  I would think it takes less time to laugh at the response and move on than it would to post about it, as if all of us need to be taught this lesson. 

Remember, not every person with a model profile here is really a model.

But you have to admit it is still funny!

Mar 17 11 05:15 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Sophie Nova
Posts: 2,105
Los Angeles, California, US


PPHPhotography wrote:
He didn't ask, "who has a semi pro camera for me to use? lol
did she offer to bring flash lights and lamps?

He is a she.

Mar 17 11 05:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,561
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I don't really run into this scenario a lot because I'm generally pretty good at writing casting calls but even I see the oddities once in a while. I've been around the block enough times to realize though that there are actual professional models here on MM surrounded by a lot of people who think they are and it's really not that difficult to figure out one from another.

The reason we tend to see models responding to nude shoots when they have "WILL NOT SHOOT NUDES" plastered all over their profiles or people clearly not reading the casting calls is because some people just respond to each and every casting call they see in hopes of getting some work. One of my personal favorites was I put out a casting call for a "leg model" for a client. The client made ankle jewelry and we needed a model to pose some shots for her website. One of the responders was a dancer in town who had "dancers feet" and said she could cover those up with running shoes or boots if needed. Mmmmm...yeah.

Don't get me wrong models, us photographers are just as guilty. I poke into the casting call section once or twice a week to see what's up in there and I always see the same photographers posting to each and every casting that involves a female model. Obviously they're GWCs but it's just funny to me when I see the same cookie-cutter responses over and over again from photographers who comment on casting calls with, "You're hot, let's shoot!" It's embarrassing to see that sort of thing from our end too!
Mar 17 11 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PPHPhotography
Posts: 60
Cary, North Carolina, US


Sophie Nova wrote:

He is a she.

oh!!! Then it is even more funny and more outlandish of the models response!!

Mar 17 11 05:33 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Sophie Nova
Posts: 2,105
Los Angeles, California, US


K Editorial Dreams wrote:
I a week ago had a model who applied for an erotica shoot which I was commissioned to shoot-and the ad was clear about my wanting experienced-and she then begins to ask me what depth are we going, and I told her-like any other genre, if it's your comfort range these questions don't come up. Theme, pay, publication-yes, but if someone is modeling wedding gowns it won't be followed by an interrogation as to what type and the poses

Nonesense, when it comes to fetish work I always make sure we're clear on my limits and exactly what will be required for the shoot. Any experienced model will confirm these things, so as to not waste either sides time and to ensure a productive environment where he/she is safe.

Erotica can mean anything from somewhat suggestive glamour work to full on porn, she was totally within her rights to ask for some more information.

I would be very concerned if a photographer refused to discuss the exact requirements of a shoot of that nature.

Mar 17 11 05:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9,181
Pelham, New York, US


MO Rina wrote:
Remember, not every person with a model profile here is really a model.

It evens out. Not every person with a photographer profile is really a photographer.

Mar 17 11 05:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
291
Posts: 11,911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US


wynnesome wrote:
The only thing making a strong showing here is your complete lack of professional-minded attitude.

i tend to think these types of rants are on par with the general non-professional aspect of the 'net aspect of modeling and photography.

what does one really expect here?  if it causes such heartburn get off the 'net and only deal with those on the agency level.  at least then you would have someone to bitch to that might have some power to ensure it won't happen again. 

here with no professional point-of-entry standard you get what you get and just deal with it accordingly...without making such looking down on community member(s) foolish public statements that reduces you to their level.  equally unprofessional is public disclosure of private messaging. 

if you preach professional-minded at least abide by it.

next topic.

Mar 17 11 05:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6,326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Yep, it happens.

Just yesterday actually we have a casting call up for a projector shoot where we will project an image onto a NUDE model and blah blah blah (I know it's been done, but I want to try it).

Well.. we had a response saying "I don't do nudes... BUT.. I'm interested in this casting"

REALLY?.. she's interested in the CASH but not interested the concept... nice.

We found a mode that was fully qualified, but seriously I wonder what people think when they respond to casting calls (photographers too don't read sometimes, and my wife has got some 'doozies" as responses to casting calls)
Mar 17 11 05:55 am  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,946
New York, New York, US


MO Rina wrote:

Thank you for coming into the model forum with your negativity.  I would think it takes less time to laugh at the response and move on than it would to post about it, as if all of us need to be taught this lesson. 

Remember, not every person with a model profile here is really a model.

I can understand your frustration with these posts (Personally, I'm up to HERE with the GWC threads) but at the same time I think that these threads do serve a valuable purpose, whether or not that was the intention of the OP.  As you say, not every person with a model profile is really a model (and the same is true for photographers) but I would add the word yet
     I can't tell you the number of times I've decided not to shoot with a particular model because of something, often pretty innocuous, that she said or did.  And I can guarantee that I have said and done some pretty stupid things myself.  Sometimes, though, I see things here that make me more aware and therefore less likely to make a fool of myself, having seen someone else make a fool of himself.  Much better, IMHO, to have everyone laughing at someone else than to have them laughing at me.
     If they read them and learn from them, these threads can be beneficial to the newbies, which is one of the very important purposes of all the fora.
     Then too, they can be pretty entertaining.

All IMHO, as always.

Mar 17 11 06:51 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MoRina
Posts: 5,633
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Rays Fine Art wrote:

I can understand your frustration with these posts (Personally, I'm up to HERE with the GWC threads) but at the same time I think that these threads do serve a valuable purpose, whether or not that was the intention of the OP.  As you say, not every person with a model profile is really a model (and the same is true for photographers) but I would add the word yet
     I can't tell you the number of times I've decided not to shoot with a particular model because of something, often pretty innocuous, that she said or did.  And I can guarantee that I have said and done some pretty stupid things myself.  Sometimes, though, I see things here that make me more aware and therefore less likely to make a fool of myself, having seen someone else make a fool of himself.  Much better, IMHO, to have everyone laughing at someone else than to have them laughing at me.
     If they read them and learn from them, these threads can be beneficial to the newbies, which is one of the very important purposes of all the fora.
     Then too, they can be pretty entertaining.

All IMHO, as always.

I am not frustrated with these types of posts.  They don't belong in the Model forum.  Thankfully, a mod saw fit to move it to off-topic. 

I don't think these threads are productive though.  Some people have common sense and some don't.  Those without it aren't going to learn it from a post on MM.

Mar 17 11 07:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey Engel
Posts: 22,327
Waltham, Massachusetts, US


MO Rina wrote:

Thank you for coming into the model forum with your negativity.  I would think it takes less time to laugh at the response and move on than it would to post about it, as if all of us need to be taught this lesson. 

Remember, not every person with a model profile here is really a model.

This site is called model mayhem, last I checked. wink

And why is the OP's post less needed than the numerous posts about sexual escapades that pop up on here countlessly?

Just sayin'... at least the OP's post is a personal account / talking shop / industry related.

Mar 17 11 07:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ed Woodson Photography
Posts: 2,644
Savannah, Georgia, US


I got one like that once.  I replied,

"No problem with using your camera"  "Here are my rates"

"My Camera $150 for a two hour session."

"Your Camera $500 per hour."

"Shall I put you on the schedule?"
Mar 17 11 07:26 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MoRina
Posts: 5,633
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Jeffrey Engel wrote:

This site is called model mayhem, last I checked. wink

And why is the OP's post less needed than the numerous posts about sexual escapades that pop up on here countlessly?

Just sayin'... at least the OP's post is a personal account / talking shop / industry related.

This rant was originally posted in the Model forum, an industry forum.  Hence the reason for my post.  Please feel free to post whatever rants or craziness you want to.  I have no problem with it!!!!

Mar 17 11 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 53,801
Buena Park, California, US


I'll model nude as long as I don't have to be naked.
Mar 17 11 08:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shirley Zhong
Posts: 2,156
Singapore, Singapore, Singapore


Some don't read, some are only interested in the compensation, some are just trying their luck to see if you'd make exceptions for them.
Mar 17 11 08:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Visual Echoes
Posts: 917
Buffalo, New York, US


Elizabeth Claret wrote:
"Interested"

Good gawd these replies to casting calls are a slight pet peeve of mine. To me it says:

"I'm interested but I need you to do all the work and interview me because I have no idea what to tell you."

I usually just ignore them.

Mar 17 11 08:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6,326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Visual Echoes wrote:

Good gawd these replies to casting calls are a slight pet peeve of mine. To me it says:

"I'm interested but I need you to do all the work and interview me because I have no idea what to tell you."

I usually just ignore them.

Fixed smile

Mar 17 11 04:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Ararity
Posts: 4,347
New York, New York, US


Elizabeth Claret wrote:
"Interested"

Hey!
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=737707  tongue

Mar 17 11 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Ararity
Posts: 4,347
New York, New York, US


wynnesome wrote:
Advice:  Reply to casting calls where your looks and availability actually MEET the needs of the project being described.

I'll only respond to this part of the OP, and that is to say: Abso-fkn-lutely. I never understand when people will respond to a gig that they will absolutely be rejected for given the stats desired, though I'll admit a long time ago, I occasionally pushed my luck. With age I've a bit more realistic in some areas. smile

Mar 17 11 05:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vindictive Images
Posts: 373
Houston, Texas, US


"I might be interested"

Either you are or you aren't. If you're not sure because you don't know enough about the casting, then ask for clarification.
Feb 20 13 07:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chris Rifkin
Posts: 24,423
Tampa, Florida, US


Interested




In a zombie thread tongue
Feb 20 13 09:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/127605/zombie-thread.jpg
Feb 20 13 09:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vintagevista
Posts: 10,601
Sun City, California, US


Old thread - is old

http://th288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/coaxley/th_old-thread-batman.jpg
Feb 20 13 09:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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