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no name no more
Posts: 1,582
Brooklyn, New York, US


I know it may be a huge ass can of worms, but whatever.

So you have these 16-17 years olds here who, according to their profiles, "will pose nude". We all know that there are also creeps and pedos around here looking for that type of thing.

I'm wondering... if one of these models posted a nude pic in their port, how would anyone know and care to report it ? Does MM even have people who are keeping an eye on these kids ? I think it's nothing short of retarded to let anyone under 18 to have an option to mark their profiles "Yes" to nudes. I'm just saying...

Disgust... ahem, I mean discuss.
Apr 05 11 11:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,982
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Its not automatically illegal if a minor poses nude, so they are more than allowed to do it and say they do it. They are not allowed to post it on MM however, so if you come across one, simply CAM it.

Its not MMs job to parent the kiddies running around taking their clothes off.
Apr 05 11 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Alan Pedroso
Posts: 7,827
Miami, Florida, US


This is the parents responsibility , not MM's or anyone for that matter .
Apr 05 11 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jac Knight
Posts: 374
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I'd report it, and i'd also message them telling them to wait abit.
It shouldn't be allowed regardless of guardian signature or not your getting yourself in trouble if you shoot them.
Apr 05 11 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Its not automatically illegal if a minor poses nude, so they are more than allowed to do it and say they do it. They are not allowed to post it on MM however, so if you come across one, simply CAM it.

Its not MMs job to parent the kiddies running around taking their clothes off.

ditto..

OP..myofb

Apr 05 11 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
no name no more
Posts: 1,582
Brooklyn, New York, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Its not automatically illegal if a minor poses nude, so they are more than allowed to do it and say they do it. They are not allowed to post it on MM however, so if you come across one, simply CAM it.

Its not MMs job to parent the kiddies running around taking their clothes off.

I get that, but the point is that why not just take away that feature altogether if it's not legal on this site ? You can't use any images marked 18+ as an avatar, right ? Using the same analogy here.

Apr 05 11 11:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jac Knight
Posts: 374
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:

I get that, but the point is that why not just take away that feature altogether if it's not legal on this site ? You can't use any images marked 18+ as an avatar, right ? Using the same analogy here.

here here to that!

Apr 05 11 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,190
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
I know it may be a huge ass can of worms, but whatever.

So you have these 16-17 years olds here who, according to their profiles, "will pose nude". We all know that there are also creeps and pedos around here looking for that type of thing.

I'm wondering... if one of these models posted a nude pic in their port, how would anyone know and care to report it ? Does MM even have people who are keeping an eye on these kids ? I think it's nothing short of retarded to let anyone under 18 to have an option to mark their profiles "Yes" to nudes. I'm just saying...

Disgust... ahem, I mean discuss.

Well it isn't illegal for a minor to pose nude, I recall the crap storm when Brook Shields did as a young woman.  Because of that, and as I recall 17 is an adult in the UK for example, MM doesn't police that.

Now they can't post them, so I would CAM it.  I personally think its a little odd to have underage models in lingerie as well, but I see it often enough.  Lingerie is only built to be sexy and certainly comes with a sexual connotation.  But I digress.

Apr 05 11 11:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Spaulding Photo
Posts: 21
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Actually I think MM does edit the images and visibility of 18+ images to users under 18. Not that there aren't ways around it, but MM does seem to be pretty responsible about it within their ability.

ID, please? (ALWAYS, and I photograph the ID itself and store with the images.)
Apr 05 11 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Incident Image
Posts: 342
Los Angeles, California, US


Age of consent is different in every state, and country, for that matter.  Not that you can do a lot with the images, since the national "age" is 18.  It's also legal if you get parent's consent.

David Hamilton and Jock Sturges have made a career of shooting underage kids nude, but I don't see them in jail.
Apr 05 11 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
QUIET STORM80
Posts: 1
Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, US


Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
I know it may be a huge ass can of worms, but whatever.

So you have these 16-17 years olds here who, according to their profiles, "will pose nude". We all know that there are also creeps and pedos around here looking for that type of thing.

I'm wondering... if one of these models posted a nude pic in their port, how would anyone know and care to report it ? Does MM even have people who are keeping an eye on these kids ? I think it's nothing short of retarded to let anyone under 18 to have an option to mark their profiles "Yes" to nudes. I'm just saying...

Disgust... ahem, I mean discuss.

It is a Very thin line but a minor can be photographed nude as long as it is done artfully but like i said it is a very very thin line. the minor can not be posed in a pose that that can be seen or felt as sexual at that time it is now classified as pornography of a minor which is illegal.

Apr 05 11 12:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Swank Photography
Posts: 18,977
Key West, Florida, US


Jac Knight wrote:
I'd report it, and i'd also message them telling them to wait abit.
It shouldn't be allowed regardless of guardian signature or not your getting yourself in trouble if you shoot them.

THIS. Full Stop.

Apr 05 11 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
stan wigmore photograph
Posts: 2,397
Long Beach, California, US


it is not as already been stated for minors of any age to be photographed in the nude ,however anyone thinking about doing so would be foolish  not to have parents involved and good legal representation to boot just in case.
   one of the most well known cases is of Brook Shields photographed at age 12 by a well known photographer,her mother's idea not hers.They were published and then in later years when she was about 23,she tried to stop the photographer from using the photos because as she said "it would embaress her and ruin her reputation".The judge threw the case out,the photos were published,manily because the photogapher had his legal act together.
Apr 05 11 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Incident Image
Posts: 342
Los Angeles, California, US


Jac Knight wrote:
It shouldn't be allowed regardless of guardian signature or not your getting yourself in trouble if you shoot them.

Haha, so even though it can be legal depending on circumstances it shouldn't be allowed?

Thought Police in full effect.

Heck, American Beauty won an Oscar for Best Picture and it had a topless Thora Birch in it, who was underage at the time.  Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Apr 05 11 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,982
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:

I get that, but the point is that why not just take away that feature altogether if it's not legal on this site ? You can't use any images marked 18+ as an avatar, right ? Using the same analogy here.

Suggest that in the Site Related forum. I dont think MM allows minors to check the "yes to nudes" box intentionally, just that nobody ever coded it in such a way that they couldnt.

Apr 05 11 12:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,982
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Incident Image wrote:
Age of consent is different in every state, and country, for that matter.  Not that you can do a lot with the images, since the national "age" is 18.  It's also legal if you get parent's consent.

David Hamilton and Jock Sturges have made a career of shooting underage kids nude, but I don't see them in jail.

Age of consent has nothing to do with age allowed to be naked.

Age of consent is to legally enter into contracts, and to have sex. In america youre allowed to be non-explicitly naked your whole life if you want to be.

Apr 05 11 12:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey Blake Adams
Posts: 605
Miami Beach, Florida, US


Jac Knight wrote:

here here to that!

+1

Apr 05 11 12:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Incident Image
Posts: 342
Los Angeles, California, US


Laura UnBound wrote:

Age of consent has nothing to do with age allowed to be naked.

Age of consent is to legally enter into contracts, and to have sex. In america youre allowed to be non-explicitly naked your whole life if you want to be.

It is also considered the age where you become an "adult", and therefore can make decisions independent of your parents, so yes it does.

Apr 05 11 12:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeff Cohn
Posts: 3,830
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


I've seen it. I've reported it. They've been removed.

Do i care what a 17 yr old girl does? No not really. Do I see a huge issue with nudity, or a drastic difference between 18 and 17? no not at all. I didn't report it due to moral outrage or protecting children or any of that Amerinonsense over boobies.

I did it for totally selfish business reasons. If this site posts minors naked and gets shut down, in legal trouble or loses ad revenue, *I* lose money from bookings.

Modelmayhem has been very good to me over the years (been here since it was a week old) and if looking out for it's best interests also accomplishes looking out for my own, then so be it.
Apr 05 11 12:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DoubleDare Studios
Posts: 977
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US


hmm...it seems to me that if a person under age poses nude and posts it on MM then, isn't MM hosting child porn? I'm sure there's a lawyer out there that can prove that case. Just another reason I don't do nudes - too much BS...
Apr 05 11 12:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul Best
Posts: 1,293
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


i'm sure when setting up an account they just did it the quick way and clicked anything and everything and didnt go over it that well ... i'm sure thats the case..
Apr 05 11 12:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey Blake Adams
Posts: 605
Miami Beach, Florida, US


Incident Image wrote:
Age of consent is different in every state, and country, for that matter.  Not that you can do a lot with the images, since the national "age" is 18.  It's also legal if you get parent's consent.

David Hamilton and Jock Sturges have made a career of shooting underage kids nude, but I don't see them in jail.

19 in Alabama

Sturges has spent quite a bit staying out of trouble, why risk it? There are countless of age people that model nude legit with no worries if that's what someone wants.

Apr 05 11 12:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Creative Exposure
Posts: 103
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


As a photographer I won't shoot anyone under the age of 18 without having a parent there for the protection of the child and myself.
Apr 05 11 12:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,982
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Incident Image wrote:

It is also considered the age where you become an "adult", and therefore can make decisions independent of your parents, so yes it does.

If its legal, a minor doesnt need a parental permission slip to do it.
They could certainly fight about it, and the minor would have a hard time signing a release or other contracts without the parents there, but thats about it.

Age to get a drivers license is 16. I was legally allowed to drive at 16. Had my mother said no, then I would have had the choice of doing it behind her back and getting in a lot of parental trouble, or abiding by her wishes, but if I went and got one without her there would be nothing illegal about it, I couldnt face any charges, and the DMV wouldnt have told me no just because she wasnt there.

Apr 05 11 12:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Incident Image
Posts: 342
Los Angeles, California, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
If its legal, a minor doesnt need a parental permission slip to do it.
They could certainly fight about it, and the minor would have a hard time signing a release or other contracts without the parents there, but thats about it.

Age to get a drivers license is 16. I was legally allowed to drive at 16. Had my mother said no, then I would have had the choice of doing it behind her back and getting in a lot of parental trouble, or abiding by her wishes, but if I went and got one without her there would be nothing illegal about it, I couldnt face any charges, and the DMV wouldnt have told me no just because she wasnt there.

It is legal, but there are restrictions.  And parental consent is still typically needed - to use your driver's license analogy, kind of like driving with a permit.  So yes, it does matter, depending on the circumstances.

Apr 05 11 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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ForeverFotos
Posts: 6,620
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


You never know who you are really talking to on the internet. You may be seeing a few baited profiles. I would just steer clear.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3304/3448535512_32cf216e65.jpg
Apr 05 11 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Incident Image
Posts: 342
Los Angeles, California, US


Jeffrey Blake Adams wrote:

19 in Alabama

Sturges has spent quite a bit staying out of trouble, why risk it? There are countless of age people that model nude legit with no worries if that's what someone wants.

16 in Alabama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co … th_America

And it wasn't a question of staying out of trouble, it was a question of legality.

Apr 05 11 12:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Harold Rose
Posts: 2,925
Calhoun, Georgia, US


Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
I know it may be a huge ass can of worms, but whatever.

So you have these 16-17 years olds here who, according to their profiles, "will pose nude". We all know that there are also creeps and pedos around here looking for that type of thing.

I'm wondering... if one of these models posted a nude pic in their port, how would anyone know and care to report it ? Does MM even have people who are keeping an eye on these kids ? I think it's nothing short of retarded to let anyone under 18 to have an option to mark their profiles "Yes" to nudes. I'm just saying...

Disgust... ahem, I mean discuss.

It is the photographer that has the responsibility..  You lean on the door of liability for using an underage model..  Now How Do you Know..  We have a fixed procedure,  A signed and verified model release.   Photo ID  Before photography!!!  The Photo ID and signed release, is the same for everyone..  60 or 16 makes no difference.   And the  release is signed before the  photography..

Apr 05 11 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 26,982
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Incident Image wrote:

16 in Alabama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_co … th_America

And it wasn't a question of staying out of trouble, it was a question of legality.

Since we're citing Wiki...

Age of Consent...nothing but sex : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

It should not be confused with the age of majority, age of criminal responsibility, the marriageable age, the age at which one can purchase and consume alcoholic beverages, or drive a car, or other purposes.

Apr 05 11 12:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Zex
Posts: 130
London, England, United Kingdom


Although the age of consent varies from country, it is against MM's rules- a model must be 18+ to have implied, let alone nude shots in their port.

If you see it, CAM it.
Apr 05 11 12:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
William Kious
Posts: 8,837
Delphos, Ohio, US


Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
We all know that there are also creeps and pedos around here looking for that type of thing.

There are creeps and pedos everywhere...

Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
Does MM even have people who are keeping an eye on these kids ? I think it's nothing short of retarded to let anyone under 18 to have an option to mark their profiles "Yes" to nudes. I'm just saying...

It's not MM's job to monitor the activities of a child.  That should be the parents' job.  To your second statement; people have a pretty broad definition of what defines nudity.  For many, posing in lingerie is tantamount to posing nude.

Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
Disgust... ahem, I mean discuss.

If you bothered to search, this topic has been literally beaten into the ground.

Apr 05 11 12:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
William Kious
Posts: 8,837
Delphos, Ohio, US


Creative Exposure wrote:
As a photographer I won't shoot anyone under the age of 18 without having a parent there for the protection of the child and myself.

Having the parent there doesn't really do shit to protect you.  What?  You're assuming that a parent won't like on behalf of his/her child?

Better to have an impartial party there that you trust.

Apr 05 11 12:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,250
Seattle, Washington, US


Another nude thread.
Apr 05 11 12:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 53,733
Buena Park, California, US


Aesthetic Photoworks wrote:
I know it may be a huge ass can of worms, but whatever.

So you have these 16-17 years olds here who, according to their profiles, "will pose nude". We all know that there are also creeps and pedos around here looking for that type of thing.

I'm wondering... if one of these models posted a nude pic in their port, how would anyone know and care to report it ? Does MM even have people who are keeping an eye on these kids ? I think it's nothing short of retarded to let anyone under 18 to have an option to mark their profiles "Yes" to nudes. I'm just saying...

Disgust... ahem, I mean discuss.

It could say yes while not even intending for it to be that way.  Sometimes people don't select the right stuff or even understand what they are doing at times.

"please sign here!"

"ok"

"bahahahahaa, I now own your first born!! don't ever read what you're signing?"

"you bitch!"

Apr 05 11 12:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
no name no more
Posts: 1,582
Brooklyn, New York, US


William Kious wrote:
If you bothered to search, this topic has been literally beaten into the ground.

I think it's hillarious how you say that ^

...and then immediately go on to discuss someone else's post in this thread.

Apr 05 11 12:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,415
Los Angeles, California, US


Hmmmmm . . . . I just ran a search of models under 18 that do nudes and only found one, from Colombia that is 17


I really don't think this is something worth worrying about.

Maybe the OP just has too much time on his hands


KM
Apr 05 11 12:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jouissance Images
Posts: 744
Bloomington, Minnesota, US


ForeverFotos wrote:
You never know who you are really talking to on the internet. You may be seeing a few baited profiles. I would just steer clear.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3304/3448535512_32cf216e65.jpg

This is very true ... a lot of communities have a full time copy doing nothing but troll the web for potential molestors.  It's an area that a jury may have to decide, and if you think juries always make good decisions, be prepared for some hard time in prison if you're ever accused.

Apr 05 11 12:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael McGowan
Posts: 3,541
Tucson, Arizona, US


Awhile back, a model on here did a photo set for a fashion magazine. It included one shot of her in a very see-through photo. She posted it, thinking nothing of it. It was marked M, and then she couldn't see the photo of herself.

Nude photos aren't illegal. And magazines in other countries aren't as worried about 16- or 17-year-olds being nude or nearly nude.

Obviously, shooting stuff that falls under 2257 with an under-age model is not just inappropriate and a violation of MM rules ... It's also illegal.
Apr 05 11 12:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mike Kelcher
Posts: 12,711
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Incident Image wrote:
Age of consent is different in every state, and country, for that matter.  Not that you can do a lot with the images, since the national "age" is 18.  It's also legal if you get parent's consent.

David Hamilton and Jock Sturges have made a career of shooting underage kids nude, but I don't see them in jail.

You make it sound like photographing 16 year-old models, nude, would be illegal without parental consent. It's not, anywhere in the US.

Apr 05 11 12:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Keith A Williams
Posts: 1,740
Vanceboro, North Carolina, US


I only know of one, and she is married, so no- I doubt it would be worth the bother.  If someone reported it, MM could simply state that their policy is to handle that as they find it.

KAW.
Apr 05 11 01:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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