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Photographer
Jaimie Peeters
Posts: 423
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


Hi guys

To dive a bit more into the depths of image manipulation, I'm wondering if you could point me towards some decent tutorials on how to construct images using multiple photo's. Like so:

http://www.glucone-r.com/

I feel I'm ready for the next step, the first being to be a decent retoucher (always learning, never fully ready) but now I want to start learning how to make advertising images and build them from and manipulate them with multiple images.

In my mind it seems all very logical, but I'm sure that with me newbie naiveness I'm very wrong

Help me out?
Apr 28 11 12:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
FotoMark
Posts: 2,929
Oxnard, California, US


Look on youtube. Also several of the retouchers on here post great tips. I would buy Natasha Taffrail's DVD, I have seen glimpses of it and she is awesome. She posts a lot of techniques and offers a lot of help.
Apr 28 11 12:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jaimie Peeters
Posts: 423
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


FotoMark wrote:
Look on youtube. Also several of the retouchers on here post great tips. I would buy Natasha Taffrail's DVD, I have seen glimpses of it and she is awesome. She posts a lot of techniques and offers a lot of help.

great! thanks

anything else people? smile

Apr 28 11 12:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
barepixels
Posts: 2,220
San Diego, California, US


behind the scene videos

http://www.stanislavpetera.net/behind-t … s/?lang=en

training dvd

http://lightgardenacademy.com/training-dvds

google: matte painting tutorials

for example

http://www.seb4d.com/tutorials/Mattepai … nglish.htm


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Apr 28 11 12:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jaimie Peeters
Posts: 423
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


barepixels wrote:
behind the scene videos

http://www.stanislavpetera.net/behind-t … s/?lang=en

training dvd

http://lightgardenacademy.com/training-dvds

google: matte painting tutorials

superb!!!

Apr 28 11 12:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jaimie Peeters
Posts: 423
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


barepixels wrote:
behind the scene videos

http://www.stanislavpetera.net/behind-t … s/?lang=en

training dvd

http://lightgardenacademy.com/training-dvds

google: matte painting tutorials

superb!!!

Apr 28 11 12:50 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Pari Retouch
Posts: 683
Nāshik, Maharashtra, India


FotoMark wrote:
I would buy Natasha Taffrail's DVD

Do you mean Natalia Taffarel's DVD?
as I googled Natasha Taffrail and found no one with that name tongue

Apr 28 11 05:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
FotoMark
Posts: 2,929
Oxnard, California, US


Yes, Natalia Taffarel. Thank you for the correction
Apr 27 12 10:10 am  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Koray
Posts: 6,577
Ankara, Ankara, Turkey


Pari Retouch wrote:
Natasha Taffrail

cracked me up big_smile

Apr 27 12 10:20 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Scribbler
Posts: 98
Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania


FotoMark wrote:
Natasha Taffrail

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/surprised/grand/surprised-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-677.gif

Apr 27 12 11:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SMASSH STUDIO
Posts: 1,019
Chapel Hill, North Carolina, US


Scribbler wrote:

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/surprised/grand/surprised-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-677.gif

Hahahaha I just choked on my soda in the undergrad library laughing smile

Apr 27 12 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
GHWatson
Posts: 482
WINSTON SALEM, North Carolina, US


SMASSH STUDIO wrote:

Hahahaha I just choked on my soda in the undergrad library laughing smile

No drinking in the library, unless you bring enough beer for everyone..

Apr 27 12 12:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Andreea Cernestean
Posts: 495
Baia Mare, Maramureş, Romania


It seems most people are pointing towards retouching.
Sources for manipulation are many.
I highly recommend psdtuts: http://psd.tutsplus.com/
Deviantart can be helpful too, you just have to know how to sort out the good from bad.
There's also this DVD http://masteringretouching.com/compositing.php although I've seen a lot of people here bashing the DVD on retouching by the same author, so buy at your own risk. From the point of view of a digital artist, it seems to cover the very basics of manipulation. Which you can draw from free resources like I have.
Apr 27 12 01:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Joe Diamond
Posts: 219
Bucharest, Bucharest, Romania


I also started with psdtuts.com
Apr 27 12 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ruben Vasquez
Posts: 2,845
Puyallup, Washington, US


barepixels wrote:
behind the scene videos

http://www.stanislavpetera.net/behind-t … s/?lang=en

training dvd

http://lightgardenacademy.com/training-dvds

google: matte painting tutorials


for example

http://www.seb4d.com/tutorials/Mattepai … nglish.htm

I'd be cautious buying that dvd as I had a very difficult time when I purchased it. The dvd itself never came so after about two weeks I got a link for a download but none of the media players could support the file, then when I got a new link, the download didn't have any english subtitles. I never got a link to download any of the psd's and each time there was an issue, it took roughly two weeks to resolve. Eventually I was able to download the tutorial (with english subtitles), but it took a long time to happen...

Apr 27 12 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Robert LC
Posts: 944
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


barepixels wrote:
behind the scene videos

http://www.stanislavpetera.net/behind-t … s/?lang=en

training dvd

http://lightgardenacademy.com/training-dvds

google: matte painting tutorials


for example

http://www.seb4d.com/tutorials/Mattepai … nglish.htm

Had not seen these before, interesting.

Ruben Vasquez wrote:
I'd be cautious buying that dvd as I had a very difficult time when I purchased it. The dvd itself never came so after about two weeks I got a link for a download but none of the media players could support the file, then when I got a new link, the download didn't have any english subtitles. I never got a link to download any of the psd's and each time there was an issue, it took roughly two weeks to resolve. Eventually I was able to download the tutorial (with english subtitles), but it took a long time to happen...

That doesn't sound very promising. Could be an incident though..
Is there some forum as well, or a review page?
How was the content and which one(s) did you buy?

Apr 27 12 03:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Robert LC
Posts: 944
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


psdtutplus.com is a good one indeed.

I'm launching one as well smile
Focusing on digital art and illustration along with tips that can help you with both (basically I'm trying to cover everything I've had a hard time finding [good ones] on internet when I started).

I'm also having an interviewed planned with a certain digital artist who's also on mm..not michael o though tongue

www.tasty-pixels.com
www.facebook.com/tastypixelsblog
Apr 27 12 03:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Robert LC
Posts: 944
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


dp
Apr 27 12 03:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Guss W
Posts: 10,190
Clearwater, Florida, US


To get the kind of image referenced, you're going to need to know a lot about extraction and layers.  Here are some good books to get started...

Layers: The Complete Guide to Photoshop's Most Powerful Feature - Matt Kloskowski
http://www.amazon.com/Layers-Complete-P … 0321534166

Photoshop Compositing Secrets - Matt Kloskowski
http://www.amazon.com/Photoshop-Composi … 0321808231

How to Cheat in Photoshop CS5: The art of creating realistic photomontages - Steve Caplin
http://www.amazon.com/How-Cheat-Photosh … 0240522044
Apr 28 12 01:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 19,967
Salem, Oregon, US


i bought it during one of their sales and i've found it helpful. i also have a couple kindle books on compositing that i read on my phone or iPad.

i think these manipulations are easy to do poorly. not as easy to make them convincing.

Andreea Cernestean wrote:
There's also this DVD http://masteringretouching.com/compositing.php although I've seen a lot of people here bashing the DVD on retouching by the same author, so buy at your own risk. From the point of view of a digital artist, it seems to cover the very basics of manipulation. Which you can draw from free resources like I have.

Apr 28 12 08:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ruben Vasquez
Posts: 2,845
Puyallup, Washington, US


Robert LC wrote:
That doesn't sound very promising. Could be an incident though..

I suspect as much. From my understanding, Stanislov is a fairly busy man literally traveling the world for his shoots which could explain why it took so long to reply to my emails. But that also means it may not have been an isolated incident which is why I caution those who wish to buy his dvd's.

Robert LC wrote:
Is there some forum as well, or a review page?
How was the content and which one(s) did you buy?

I personally don't know of any forums or reviews as I was never able to find any but I purchased his second dvd on the basics of matte painting nonetheless.

Over all I think there is a lot to be gained from watching it but its not without its flaws. Those who are new to photoshop should steer clear of this until they have a good understanding of the basics because he covers none of that here. There's no mention of keyboard shortcuts, no retouching is done nor are specific settings stated and there is very little mention of specific tools being used. Those who are familiar with photoshop likely wont have a hard time following along though. However, a mildly frustrating aspect of the dvd is sometimes the subtitles are only briefly displayed and you may not have enough time to read it in its entirety. The video cycles back and forth between Jaraslov (the host), working at his computer and his screen as he works. I'm not sure if the program used for the screen grab was a bad program but the contrast is so high (which is further compounded by dark, contrasty scenes), that at times it can be difficult to make out what he's doing. More often then not, the shadows look as if they're clipped to black and he is painting on them with no effect when in reality, there is detail that can clearly be seen when the camera goes back to him working at his computer. Some may also complain that the techniques explained are only demonstrations and may feel they're missing something. None of the four images used are fully fleshed out and are only discussed for roughly a half hour to forty five minutes a piece. For instance, the second image (the one with the horses), is a composite of the foreground, the horses, the model, the trees in the background and clouds. There is no discussion of masking, composting or perspective. The image is already composited and you just jump right in to dodging and burning. Masking and compositing isn't discussed much until nearly the end of the video.

Those who frequent these forums often and/or have watched Natalia's, Kruno's and/or Gry's dvd's, are not likely to learn any new techniques per se. The vast majority of the video is a demonstration mostly of dodge and burn which he refers to as, "airbrushing." There are of course, other techniques demonstrated but dodge and burn holds the most runtime. You do get to see d&b as it applies to an editorial instead of the usual beauty retouch though; indeed the models are barely even touched. Of particular note, you get to see how d&b can literally relight the whole image. The scene with the horses begins with placing  a light behind the model and then adding highlights and shadows that would have been there had the image been backlit to begin with. Jaroslav also likes to finish the images out with various toning techniques (such as channel blending or adjustment layers), to add mood and drama. Its also interesting to note that the first image of the girl sitting on a log, is a tone mapped image.

Despite its short comings, I liked the video and from an artistic perpective, learned a good deal from it. I probably would have purchased some of the other tutorials had I not had to wait a few months to get this one. Looking through his website just now though, none of his tutorials are offered as dvd's any more but are downloads only. So hopefully his customers wont have the same difficulties I had.

Apr 28 12 12:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dirkschmitz
Posts: 10
Trier, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany


Looking at the photography work, are those skin colors/effects on the portraits only a result of the lighting?

It looks like a illustrative effect and I'm not referring to the wind machine. smile

http://www.glucone-r.com/images/background_8.jpg
Apr 28 12 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Robert LC
Posts: 944
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


dirkschmitz wrote:
Looking at the photography work, are those skin colors/effects on the portraits only a result of the lighting?

It looks like a illustrative effect and I'm not referring to the wind machine. smile

http://www.glucone-r.com/images/background_8.jpg

Yeah you need some good lighting, 3-5 lights (rim, hair etc) to start with.

After that
- Clarity + Fill light in LR/ACR
- Cleaning up and DnB in PS
- (for your example) more smoothing; micro DnB or dust&scratches/blurring.

I tried something like that here, bit rough and worked with only a lowres jpg, but you get the idea:

http://www.tasty-pixels.com/_tempfiles/ps_nurses.jpg
Stock from photl.com

Apr 28 12 03:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dirkschmitz
Posts: 10
Trier, Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany


@Robert LC: very nice done. smile


1st I thought they used a massively amount of Filter/Noise/Noise reduce, separated the details and sharpened them.


But. can you explain that micro DnB or dust&scratches/blurring, or point me onto a tutorial? Or can anybody else? smile
Apr 28 12 11:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Andreea Cernestean
Posts: 495
Baia Mare, Maramureş, Romania


hartcons wrote:
i bought it during one of their sales and i've found it helpful. i also have a couple kindle books on compositing that i read on my phone or iPad.

i think these manipulations are easy to do poorly. not as easy to make them convincing.

Try not to read between the lines. I clearly stated for someone who is just learning the basics of manipulation: cropping or masking, blending between images, learning the tools for them, it could be helpful.
For taking a basic knowledge to the next level, it's not recommended. What the OP linked to as examples were more intricate manipulations than just the average take a model image and paste it over a single photo background.

Apr 29 12 03:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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