DVS wrote:

Drakka Starr wrote:
Facebook is just there and everyone has a page

I knew I liked Facebook for a reason.  ^_^

*crai*

DVS wrote:

Yes, DEAC was created to be a working networking event, as in we create art as well as connections.  The private closed Facebook group, to which everyone there was approved personally just as is on DEAC, just helps further the "networking" aspect.  True, there is a lot of socializing going on in the FB group, but that just comes from those finding friendships in our trade.

But by making another place where the scheduling happens ou have effectively moved DEAC from a modeling site to a social site.  I refuse to be a part of FB.  Because of this and the fact that scheduling is done on FB and not here I will not be attending.  Its not of much consequence because I don't have but 1 scheduled...  Am I bitter, your damn right...

PF Dark wrote:

But by making another place where the scheduling happens ou have effectively moved DEAC from a modeling site to a social site.  I refuse to be a part of FB.  Because of this and the fact that scheduling is done on FB and not here I will not be attending.  Its not of much consequence because I don't have but 1 scheduled...  Am I bitter, your damn right...

I have scheduled people via the DEAC site, Facebook, MM message, email, and at past events in person. You could attend without being on FB.

PF Dark wrote:

But by making another place where the scheduling happens ou have effectively moved DEAC from a modeling site to a social site.  I refuse to be a part of FB.  Because of this and the fact that scheduling is done on FB and not here I will not be attending.  Its not of much consequence because I don't have but 1 scheduled...  Am I bitter, your damn right...

I thought DEAC had it's own site that everybody had to be a member of before they could attend.

PF Dark wrote:
But by making another place where the scheduling happens ou have effectively moved DEAC from a modeling site to a social site.  I refuse to be a part of FB.  Because of this and the fact that scheduling is done on FB and not here I will not be attending.  Its not of much consequence because I don't have but 1 scheduled...  Am I bitter, your damn right...

Facebook is just another tool.  Anyone is free to use it or not.  However, I do not see anything being "moved" as it still is being posted here and still uses MM portfolios as a reference for membership.  The DEAC website used to have its own forums as well (until I broke them accidentally).  That forum was created as a central place where people who did not have MM accounts can communicate with others.  Now, when you click the "forum" menu option on DEAC, it states:

Sorry, but the forums here are kinda broken. However, please use either the private Facebook DEAC chat group or the public Model Mayhem DEAC thread to communicate with other participants.

And it then offer the links to both.  You are given a choice.

I feel the main reason people use the Facebook forum more than here is because it is actually "private" and "closed" to the general public.  Only DEAC members can post on that forum.  Here, anyone can read and reply to anything.  The whole purpose behind memberships at DEAC is to ensure some form of security and privacy in shooting all forms of erotic art.  I reviewed and approved each and every one of the 500+ members on the site.  A closed private discussion groups further ensures this security and privacy from the public's eye.  The threads on MM will still continue to exist though and will always be promoted as a place to communicate publicly with others.

Another reason it is favored by DEAC members is because of instant reply notifications and the near chat-like quality it holds.  Some, as yourself, may not wish to chat with others and build friendships, but it seems most do.  Those who do not are always welcome to use whatever forms of communication they feel works best for them.  Some use the DEAC email system only.  Some use personal email only.  Some use MM.  Some use Facebook.  Some may eventually use G+ if they decide to build some form of event/group function in it's system.  This is all simply about choices and options.

I like giving people options, including the option to leave if they do not like those options.  I like giving choices too, so the choice is always yours.

=^ᴥ^=

Lumigraphics wrote:

I have scheduled people via the DEAC site, Facebook, MM message, email, and at past events in person. You could attend without being on FB.

Yep...case in point.

Eye of Sicari wrote:

I thought DEAC had it's own site that everybody had to be a member of before they could attend.

Yes.  I only created a new option for communication with others.  You may still use the DEAC system or MM forum if you like.

PF Dark wrote:
Out of 100 participents there were aproximately 25 different profiles that have posted to this forum.  75% of the participents have not even looked over here.  Even fewer have posted on the DEAC site.  So where is the Buzz...

My point is that the "Group" has moved to FB and I will not follow.

About half the new models at this DEAC don't even have a MM profile so they would not even be able to know the joys of conversing here.  On that same broken DEAC forum page, it also states:

To join the Model Mayhem discussion thread, you must first have a profile on Model Mayhem ( join free here). Once approved there, you can visit the most current thread here.

So I am actively promoting new members to start a free profile here AND directing them to this thread.  Personally, if I were hunting wabbits, I would go where the wabbits are and not complain in an open field that there are no wabbits.  You are more than welcome to contact models from the participation list (posted in the beginning of this thread) that have a MM account, email them here and chat with them...or invite them to this thread to post.

DVS wrote:

This is nothing new and has been accepted as how FB is.  If you take care on what you post or place in your information, then you shouldn't have much worry about this design.

You are correct, this is nothing new, but I'll bet your average user dosen't think about it...

Realize the venom in my writing is directed at FB and lowering the DEAC standard to that level, not at DEAC.  I can only pray FB goes the way of MySpace.

There are very few sites out there that are honest, and only one who strives to "DO NO EVIL"...  FB is EVIL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil

PF Dark wrote:
You are correct, this is nothing new, but I'll bet your average user dosen't think about it...

Realize the venom in my writing is directed at FB and lowering the DEAC standard to that level, not at DEAC.  I can only pray FB goes the way of MySpace.

There are very few sites out there that are honest, and only one who strives to "DO NO EVIL"...  FB is EVIL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil

"Don't be evil" is Google's slogan, not Facebook's...but Google already tarnished that slogan already with recent pseudonym handling on G+.  ~_^

DVS wrote:

"Don't be evil" is Google's slogan...but they already tarnished that already with recent pseudonym handling on G+.  ~_^

Sorry, didn't mean to derail the subject...

Obviously nobody has controll over the perferred communication method of another individual.  I will not have a FB account, and if that means I can't effectively participate without adding yet another account then ......

I hope things work out well.....

PF Dark wrote:

Sorry, didn't mean to derail the subject...

Obviously nobody has controll over the perferred communication method of another individual.  I will not have a FB account, and if that means I can't effectively participate without adding yet another account then ......

I hope things work out well.....

You are giving up much too easy.  The current participant list is always on the DEAC website with links to non-DEAC portfolios.  You can contact who you are interested on DEAC or on MM if they have an account.  This has always been the means to schedule shoots and the most effective way to communicate with models directly.  90% of the posts on the DEAC FB group is not scheduling related at all.  2% are questions from newbies that I address.  So with only 3% remaining, I'd say the most scheduling is still done via email.

And think about it...do you REALLY want this thread filled with posts on who is going to City Club afterward or promoting personal fan pages?

Lumigraphics wrote:
What's really evil is WalMart. If we ever have to schedule via WalMart...that's when I stop coming

Hmmm... (¬_¬)  (⌐_⌐)

Dekilah wrote:
I think I booked about half my shoots on MM, then a bit on FB and the DEAC site, and a couple slots over the phone or sitting on the couch talking to the "the kitty."

Honestly, I haven't used the FB group for any booking related things that I can remember. This is my first year so I'm still figuring things out, but I think it's totally possible to be part of DEAC and just be on the DEAC site alone, really.

I can understand not wanting to use FB, that's cool, but not patronizing or attending something or somewhere just because they have a FB presence seems a bit ridiculous. Almost everything has a FB page or group now. Churches, models, photographers, stores, etc.

If you want to come, you should come. Don't let your apprehensions about FB run your life.

I would "like" this if this were on Facebook.  I'll "+1" it instead.  Oh wait...  o_o

Blazing Ape  Imageworks wrote:
My problem has been that my messages on the DEAC site are going unread and for the most part, I don't know models' real names to be able to track them down on Facebook.  It's been frustrating, as I've only been able to fill half my slots.  I don't mind interacting on Facebook, but it seems that there should be some mechanism in place to ensure that messages are actually seen by the recipients.  Perhaps a stipulation that you include on your DEAC profile where you'd prefer to have messages sent?  I know others have been having the same difficulties...

Hmmm...maybe I should make a "contact me on Facebook" button on DEAC (I think PFD's head just exploded...sorry).  Another thought I've been playing around is for first emails to go directly to someone's email address for the option of replying normally or going on the site to keep their address private.  Everyone gets a notification of new DEAC mail to their real email address with a preview of the text so they ARE getting your emails one way or another.  Some people just don't reply to them all.

Lumigraphics wrote:
What's really evil is WalMart. If we ever have to schedule via WalMart...that's when I stop coming

Also an EVIL company and I do as little business with them as possible... But Im also broke and their cheap china goods are just that cheap.

Again this rant is about FB, not individuals who use it.  FB is not e-mail but its becomming the defacto.  In the last 10 or so years I almost never have had a models email until after they filled out the PW at the shoot.  Phone numbers change and I would be pissed if you called me at noon when Im working midnights, you don't schedule by phone, its rude.  Thats why E-mail and phone, the two most common, don't work in this situation.  Im not new at this, I know how often this and that happen but I have seen this path before, remember MySpace.

BTW: its not the who's going to city club that's important, its the I have X time open.....

PF Dark wrote:
Also an EVIL company and I do as little business with them as possible... But Im also broke and their cheap china goods are just that cheap.

Again this rant is about FB, not individuals who use it.  FB is not e-mail but its becomming the defacto.  In the last 10 or so years I almost never have had a models email until after they filled out the PW at the shoot.  Phone numbers change and I would be pissed if you called me at noon when Im working midnights, you don't schedule by phone, its rude.  Thats why E-mail and phone, the two most common, don't work in this situation.  Im not new at this, I know how often this and that happen but I have seen this path before, remember MySpace.

BTW: its not the who's going to city club that's important, its the I have X time open.....

If you don't like it, don't use it.  DEAC is a professional endeavor, however, as aforementioned, it's about making connections.  Modelmayhem itself is a SOCIAL NETWORKING site made for models.
This thread is the SAME THING as the DEAC Private Group on Facebook, however it's on Modelmayhem.com, not facebook.com. 


Facebook is not evil.  People that misuse it are evil.  But Facebook is NOT evil.
And for someone who does not even have a Facebook account, I don't think you can actually say that without trying it.
"facebook is evil! it's awful!"
"well, have you ever tried to make an account and test it out?"
"no-"


well exactly. I'm a cosmetologist, and I use Facebook to gather over half of my clientele and to keep in touch with them and let them know when I do specials on hair and makeup.  Half of my business is networking through the website.  Let alone scheduling photoshoots through Facebook with photographers that don't use modelmayhem.

It's anything but evil to me. It keeps me in touch with friends, family, and networking.


Aaaand furthermore, it'd be nice to know who's going to City Club after to hook up, talk, network, and maybe take a load off and have fun after a busy day of shooting.

Cannibal Photo Safari wrote:
Huh... what happened to the lighting workshops?  Did not enough people sign up, or did they just get lost from the main DEAC site?

I was thinking of just doing one of those this year, to get my feet wet, but even if I'm not shooting, should I just stop by the meet & greet?  (hmm, is anybody going to City Club?)

Kristine's lighting and modeling workshops were canceled due to a family situation.  Sorry.

And you are welcome to attend the M&G but will not be allowed to be on the official premises during DEAC the next days without signing up.  Thanks!

DVS wrote:
So yep...things change with the times.  DEAC also had a MySpace page and used to post the participation lists there.  Then we had a Facebook fan page but we just closed it due to non-use.  We basically go where our members go to help make communication simpler with all the possible options of communications.  The DEAC website itself was built because of this very idea...that some members had no way of contacting others on networks they didn't belong to.  At least on the DEAC site, we all have a common base.  I'm sure one day the Facebook chat group will become empty when a new platform becomes popular.  Yep...things change with the times.

WAIT!  what happens if you dont have a MM profile and cant read what im writing this very second???

oh...i see...yes...thats what the DEAC site is for.  um, u mean i dont have to use myspace, or facebook, or twitter, or google +, or that i dont have to text, or by jesus have to call someone and schedule an appointment...nope, i can just use the mail system on the DEAC site....not even needing to give out my email address (which is [email protected] to all of our lovely people who are interested in me googling on their facebook and twittering their yahoo).

ok, so from now on...im gonna just think of a model to work with and show up, u know, expecting her (or him and her) to be there when needed, fully prepared to shoot what i thought of, and expect it all to go to plan.

for the negativity of social networking, ive re-connected with people that i may have called aquaintences in the past, but now, without quesiton see as my friends...right kristen!

i only try to keep this banter and thread continuing because it is so entertaining, and lends itself to awesome gossip

bravo, bravo!

K_G wrote:
Admittedly facebook (and other networking sites) can be a royal pain in my ass (long story there that I will only tell in person and NOT online, LOL. I just don't go on there much anymore except to pick up an email or 2). BUT I have also been able to keep my ear to the ground and network for modeling work purposes. You would be amazed at what people will drop on their wall, good and bad, and what you can learn about peoples' personalities just by their written words.

I have booked my deac slots through facebook, deacgroup, email, phone text messages, model mayhem, and the occasional carrier pigeon or owl.

It's all good as long as someone can get ahold of me.

im going to write a story about that carrier pigeon you sent back as a reply to me, which ended up spreading some wierd virus throughout the town, nearly (and i say nearly because i am still jaw jacking away) everyone in a ten block radius.  good thing that i am usually armed, and i was able to put it down with 2 shots.  though, on a negative look, it kind of sucked that it landed in the stream used for the drinking water, and man was it moving downstream fast today. hmmmph...ah well...at least you got ur message to me

VATO wrote:
WAIT!  what happens if you dont have a MM profile and cant read what im writing this very second???

oh...i see...yes...thats what the DEAC site is for.  um, u mean i dont have to use myspace, or facebook, or twitter, or google +, or that i dont have to text, or by jesus have to call someone and schedule an appointment...nope, i can just use the mail system on the DEAC site....not even needing to give out my email address (which is [email protected] to all of our lovely people who are interested in me googling on their facebook and twittering their yahoo).

ok, so from now on...im gonna just think of a model to work with and show up, u know, expecting her (or him and her) to be there when needed, fully prepared to shoot what i thought of, and expect it all to go to plan.

for the negativity of social networking, ive re-connected with people that i may have called aquaintences in the past, but now, without quesiton see as my friends...right kristen!

i only try to keep this banter and thread continuing because it is so entertaining, and lends itself to awesome gossip

bravo, bravo!

I would "like" and "+1" this, but I can't.  =\

VATO wrote:
im going to write a story about that carrier pigeon you sent back as a reply to me, which ended up spreading some wierd virus throughout the town, nearly (and i say nearly because i am still jaw jacking away) everyone in a ten block radius.  good thing that i am usually armed, and i was able to put it down with 2 shots.  though, on a negative look, it kind of sucked that it landed in the stream used for the drinking water, and man was it moving downstream fast today. hmmmph...ah well...at least you got ur message to me

I hear squirrels are making a comeback...just ask Joe.  Seriously...ask Joe about squirrels.  It's funny.  ^_^

DVS wrote:
I hear squirrels are making a comeback...just ask Joe.  Seriously...ask Joe about squirrels.  It's funny.  ^_^

Poor Joe.

Bette_O_Honey wrote:
Hooray! Signed back up as a photographer! I obviously have plenty of time open on Saturday and Sunday...   Any models wanna work together just message me, please please and pretty please.

I have some samples up at :

https://www.modelmayhem.com/2225338

YAYS......mes sooo excited you came back!!!!!!

Drakka Starr wrote:

YAYS......mes sooo excited you came back!!!!!!

BTW... Congrats "Big Fun"

PF Dark wrote:
That has changed and everyone knows it, stop trying to convince me otherwise.

Nothing changed...just new stuff has been added to aid productivity and more will be in the future, I am sure.

"Nothing endures but change." - Heraclitus

"He who rejects change is the architect of decay.  The only human institution which rejects progress is the cemetery." - Harold Wilson

"I put a dollar in one of those change machines.  Nothing changed." - George Carlin

^_^