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Netuska
Posts: 105
New York, New York, US


Hello! Recently I was offerd to modelling in Istanbul, however when I googled it I have found lots of negative references about it. Do you have some experiences with modelling in Istanbul?
Sep 01 11 01:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Netuska
Posts: 105
New York, New York, US


Please! Notice this! :-)
Sep 01 11 01:30 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Aylin Marie
Posts: 79
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia


I don't but do a quick model search on here for others there and ask them for advice and also do reference check on who contacted you.
But go with your feelings. Also check their laws out.. Somethings (depending on what the shoot is) may not be legal to shoot there????
Sep 01 11 01:42 am  Link  Quote 
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H5D PHOTOGRAPHER
Posts: 3,837
Gig Harbor, Washington, US


Get in touch with Fledra (I have a couple of her shoots in my portfolio) ... She spent a couple if months with an agency called ICE... Bottom line, it was a crappy experience. Her Agency ripped her off by lying about billings... Used intimidation tactics etc. ... Like I said, get in touch & I'm sure she'll fill in all the details.

Fledra refers to Istanbul by the name Istanbullshit !!!

*sending you Fledra's contact info
Sep 01 11 02:04 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Crystal Rose Make up
Posts: 486
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Netushka wrote:
Hello! Recently I was offerd to modelling in Istanbul, however when I googled it I have found lots of negative references about it. Do you have some experiences with modelling in Istanbul?

I don't have and probably never will but if you can google it and find a negative response, maybe you should listen to it.

Sep 01 11 02:30 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Malin_
Posts: 3,902
New York, New York, US


Ugh! My agency wanted to send me there a couple of years ago - I did some research and a lot of models I talked to had been ripped off big time by their agencies. I had some other issues with it as well, but I'd rather not talk about those in a public forum.
Sep 01 11 06:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TallPix
Posts: 222
Miami Springs, Florida, US


none with modelling there, but ......

it is a great city to tour.

don't get sold at the Grand Bazaar
Sep 01 11 09:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
NothingIsRealButTheGirl
Posts: 33,382
Los Angeles, California, US


Ask Koray.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/60480

He may have some insight.
Sep 01 11 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Deadlynightshade
Posts: 4,774
Los Angeles, California, US


I have never been there so please don't take my advice as absolute truth. In Turkey you have access to major fashion magazines like Vogue, Elle, Harper's Bazaar, etc etc so if placed with the right agency that can be very beneficial to you. However, I don't know how safe it is, the food, the people, agency living conditions or any other details so it's up to you to weight what you value more.
Sep 01 11 04:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Deadlynightshade
Posts: 4,774
Los Angeles, California, US


Malin_ wrote:
Ugh! My agency wanted to send me there a couple of years ago - I did some research and a lot of models I talked to had been ripped off big time by their agencies. I had some other issues with it as well, but I'd rather not talk about those in a public forum.

Not to sound pessimistic, but most modeling contracts overseas are this way...even the very best ones in their market. Like I said in my previous post, this is something to weigh in when making a decision. Personally, I always gave up comforts, healthy foods, money, and good living conditions in hopes that I would come back with AMAZING work. I never did so that was a complete waste. When deciding if going overseas you have to be aware of that and weigh what's important to you.

Sep 01 11 04:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Netuska
Posts: 105
New York, New York, US


Thanks guys! :-) Appreciate it! :-)
Sep 07 11 05:50 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Malin_
Posts: 3,902
New York, New York, US


Deadlynightshade wrote:

Not to sound pessimistic, but most modeling contracts overseas are this way...even the very best ones in their market. Like I said in my previous post, this is something to weigh in when making a decision. Personally, I always gave up comforts, healthy foods, money, and good living conditions in hopes that I would come back with AMAZING work. I never did so that was a complete waste. When deciding if going overseas you have to be aware of that and weigh what's important to you.

Yes, I know... I've been presented with contracts to go to Asia as well and I decided it was not worth the gamble. But I'm sure it all depends on who's sending you and exactly where (market, agency) they are placing you. For me, I'm sure it would have been a total waste of money and time.

Sep 07 11 08:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Deadlynightshade
Posts: 4,774
Los Angeles, California, US


Malin_ wrote:

Yes, I know... I've been presented with contracts to go to Asia as well and I decided it was not worth the gamble. But I'm sure it all depends on who's sending you and exactly where (market, agency) they are placing you. For me, I'm sure it would have been a total waste of money and time.

I've noticed that it either comes down to good agency placement...or luck.

Certain seasons are best in different areas and certain times of the year have different peak work...for instance Singapore's strong runway season is fall (september-ish) and if you're a catalog model you will sit in the apartment not working. Also, some markets some models need to avoid completely. For instance, China dislikes redheads and loves blondes. Redheads will sit at home not working while blondes will book everything.

Sep 07 11 09:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digitoxin
Posts: 13,345
Houston, Texas, US


Deadlynightshade wrote:

I've noticed that it either comes down to good agency placement...or luck.

Certain seasons are best in different areas and certain times of the year have different peak work...for instance Singapore's strong runway season is fall (september-ish) and if you're a catalog model you will sit in the apartment not working. Also, some markets some models need to avoid completely. For instance, China dislikes redheads and loves blondes. Redheads will sit at home not working while blondes will book everything.

Interesting.  Things may have changed but I personally know (meaning in-person, worked with, know.... Not "know of") a natural redhead model who went to China a couple of years ago and worked just about every day (commercial, catalog, jewelry shows, etc)  She also got the cover of harpers bazaar Beauty Edition insert for the Chinese HB magazine..... She reported that her Natural red hair was a big plus for her.......

Go figure!

Sep 08 11 08:49 am  Link  Quote 
Model
AS27
Posts: 1
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


H3D PHOTOGRAPHER wrote:
Get in touch with Fledra (I have a couple of her shoots in my portfolio) ... She spent a couple if months with an agency called ICE... Bottom line, it was a crappy experience. Her Agency ripped her off by lying about billings... Used intimidation tactics etc. ... Like I said, get in touch & I'm sure she'll fill in all the details.

Fledra refers to Istanbul by the name Istanbullshit !!!

*sending you Fledra's contact info

Actually I have worked with Ice in Istanbul before, as well as other agencies. There are definitely some dodgy agencies out there however Ice is by far the most professional. They recruit models that can actually do work and don't just accept every model out there like the others.

When I last left Ice as far as I know they had 4 model houses and 2 chauffeurs, so they operate pretty well. They have many castings to attend all day in which you are chauffeur driven to all of them with the other models. They sign contracts just like any other international agency, so if you have a mother agency then you should be safe.

And honestly that model must be CRAZY to call Istanbul Istanbullshit! She obviously doesn't know Istanbul, and that it is the greatest city on this earth!!! So much tradition, culture, friendly people, great food, and most of all the BEST nightlife and entertainment industry! I lived there for 3 years I KNOW!!!

Jul 01 13 05:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark
Posts: 2,891
New York, New York, US


used to be a good place to go 10 years ago to get tear sheets.  Political upheaval puts a damper on going now and if you sent your nude pics I would be suspicious as to their intentions and you are mid 20's
Jul 03 13 10:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


I worked in Istanbul for two weeks, photographing UK musicians in Taxim Nightpark, as PR for the local newspapers and marketing for the club.

All I can say is that Istanbul is probably the sexiest city on the planet and without a doubt the best location I can think of for fashion photography, if you want everything in one city. The grand bazaar itself, is like the Louvre, it would take a month to see everything, you can get lost in there easily, who needs a studio.

I can't think of any negative experience for myself or the models.

I think it is a good point about the politics, it's not the easiest place in the world perhaps to carve a fashion career.
Jul 04 13 04:05 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Taylor Montague
Posts: 3
Orlando, Florida, US


What about Flash Model Management Istanbul?  Their website looks great!
Oct 27 13 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 36,044
San Francisco, California, US


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Taylor Montague wrote:
What about Flash Model Management Istanbul?  Their website looks great!

Thank you for posting in the forums.  What you are asking is an important question.  You are trying to get information on an overseas agency.  Sometimes it works well to wake up an old thread.  Other times, you are better off starting a new thread.  Since you are using the old thread title, people may not realize that you are looking for references on a modeling agency.

I don't know anything about that particular agency.  If you don't get any good replies to your question in this thread, let me suggest that you start a new thread where you ask specifically about the agency.  Don't be shy, we're glad you are posting.

Oct 27 13 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Elisa 1
Posts: 3,344
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


Photographe wrote:
I worked in Istanbul for two weeks, photographing UK musicians in Taxim Nightpark, as PR for the local newspapers and marketing for the club.

All I can say is that Istanbul is probably the sexiest city on the planet and without a doubt the best location I can think of for fashion photography, if you want everything in one city. The grand bazaar itself, is like the Louvre, it would take a month to see everything, you can get lost in there easily, who needs a studio.



I can't think of any negative experience for myself or the models.

I think it is a good point about the politics, it's not the easiest place in the world perhaps to carve a fashion career.

This is an old thread but when one searches a subject sometimes it's fine to have a body of responses over time all in one place.

For my part I have not modelled in Istanbul but did work there for a while. I too found it a fabulous city great atmosphere nice people and I felt much safer walking round there at 3am than London or NY.

It is also one of the fashion capitals of Europe. And no doubt that this could offer great opportunity with the right agency.
http://www3.images.coolspotters.com/photos/256879/ece-sukan-profile.png

That is Ece Sukan who was editor of Vogue Turkey. She is one of the worlds coolest women style wise and put Turkey on the map fashion wise.

So it isn't some backwater. As with the dancing and modelling in India however with the IPL cricket, it depends what the agency is like managing you. Some rip you off some are good.

One thing I am pretty sure about is that it's probably worse in Britain when girls from this region get promised modelling work here and end up in the sex industry.

Oct 28 13 02:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Apparently 70% of sex workers are trafficked, so you're probably right.

Google ten other cities and see what negative responses come up, that should help you put things into context.
Oct 28 13 03:06 am  Link  Quote 
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mrpgraphic
Posts: 28
Haaren, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands


See demostrations........
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey

This one is in dutch;
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen … en/turkije
You can use https://translate.google.nl/?hl=nl&tab=TT for translation.

https://www.google.nl/#q=scam+city+instanbull
Scamcity is a Televisonprogram on the National Geographic channel

My advice,is stay home......
Oct 28 13 03:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Elisa 1
Posts: 3,344
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


Photographe wrote:
Apparently 70% of sex workers are trafficked, so you're probably right.

Google ten other cities and see what negative responses come up, that should help you put things into context.

Sorry I wasn't very clear above. What I meant was the problem for models being promised lots and ending up as sex workers is probably more in the UK than Turkey. Many of the girls,trafficked are from south eastern Europe and their dreams of London's glitz soon evaporate. By contrast most modelling reports I have heard about UK models going to Turkey have been relatively positive.

Oct 28 13 06:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Elisa 1
Posts: 3,344
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


mrpgraphic wrote:
See demostrations........
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/turkey

This one is in dutch;
http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onder http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Eu … -BR-1.html werpen/reisadviezen/turkije
You can use https://translate.google.nl/?hl=nl&tab=TT for translation.

https://www.google.nl/#q=scam+city+instanbull
Scamcity is a Televisonprogram on the National Geographic channel

My advice,is stay home......

Yeah have scam city done Amsterdam?
Maybe they should
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Eu … -BR-1.html

Scam city have also done Prague and Vegas and many other cities .

The foreign office have issued that warning mainly because of the Syrian crisis. Doesn't stop 2-3 million British tourists going there annually. I have worked there too and would have no fear. As my job was connected with security and logistics in the reconstruction of Iraq then I'd have been more of an al Quaeda target than models.

There are some problems with demonstrations this year but again I have been to many countries,with such strife and even been caught up in a Maoist uprising. Just avoid hotspots.

Oct 28 13 06:54 am  Link  Quote 
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mrpgraphic
Posts: 28
Haaren, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands


Sorry to say but;
Google; trafficking female models in Instanbul

Just one example.... 
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episo … rkey/1469/
According to a recent report by Johns Hopkins University’s Protection Project, there may be as many as 200 human smuggling organizations operating in Turkey.
Oct 29 13 12:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Hm... I wouldn't do it... and I already live in the Middle East. xD
Nov 01 13 03:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Magda Kulpinska
Posts: 543
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Hey,

I was in Istanbul on a contract about 2 years ago, with Erberk which is supposedly the best agency over there.

I quit after 2 weeks having gotten 2 gigs (one being a hostess job.... sigh). It maybe wasnt the best time as the season was slowish but I also felt I didnt have enough boobs. They like it curvy. And money-wise the rates at home are better anyways....

I didnt think it was dangerous though and over there in Istanbul I met models who worked well and very well, as well as those that didnt work at all. So I guess it's just like anywhere else. My advice though would be to go with the best and not choose an agency known to have ripped people off. They'll do it again.
Nov 01 13 05:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Elisa 1
Posts: 3,344
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


mrpgraphic wrote:
Sorry to say but;
Google; trafficking female models in Instanbul

Just one example.... 
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episo … rkey/1469/
According to a recent report by Johns Hopkins University’s Protection Project, there may be as many as 200 human smuggling organizations operating in Turkey.

Trafficking is also a problem in Europe and particularly Amsterdam. 70-80% of Amsterdam's prostitutes have no papers and appear to be mostly of eastern European origin and suspected trafficked.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/workingpa … 109_en.pdf

QUOTE:
"- There are 4 m people throughout the world who are victims of trafficking yearly.
- 500 000 victims of trafficking enter western Europe annually. 

- 80 % of prostitutes in Europe  are  immigrants. Among the total of trafficked women
there are many from central and eastern Europe (from Albania, the Czech Republic,
Hungary, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Ukraine). In the Netherlands 70 % (80 % in
Amsterdam), in Germany between 60 and 80 %, in Austria 80% and in Italy 80% of all
trafficked women come from eastern Europe.
  The rising number of victims from central and eastern Europe 
Before 1989, most of the foreign prostitutes working in western Europe were recruited from
Asia, South America and Africa. Since 1990, the central and eastern European countries have
become the major suppliers of prostitutes. For example, in Belgium the number of trafficked
women from eastern European countries has more than doubled, while in the Netherlands it has
tripled.
A Dutch NGO reported that 69% of the 168 cases registered in the Netherlands in 1994 involved
women from eastern Europe. This percentage was found to have doubled in one year while, in
the same period, the proportion of Polish and Czech women rose from 7% to 40%. In Belgium,
according to the NGO ’Payoke’, victims from eastern Europe, mainly Polish and Hungarian,
make up 40% of the total.
According to their own law enforcement officials, the majority of the eastern European
countries have become, to various degrees, countries of origin, of transit and of destination.
Sources have also reported that trafficked women have tended in recent years to be moved
regularly from one Member State to another so as to satisfy the clients with new prostitutes and
make it more difficult for the victims to be detected by the police or the social services.

Reasons for trafficking from eastern Europe

Various factors explain the migratory movements linked to trafficking in women, namely:
- the feminisation of poverty, which is a direct result of the transition to a market economy in
central and eastern Europe following the fall of the Berlin wall. Poverty among women, who
account for between 70% and 95% of official unemployment figures, and their continuing
marginalisation in society, force many to seek a better life."

So in fact while nations like Turkey and Georgia etc have groups involved in trafficking actually many of those girls come from Eastern Europe and into Holland etc sometimes via Turkey etc. Which I already stated.

So I am not sure that significant numbers are trafficked from western Europe into Turkey. If they are show me some stats. Otherwise what you are saying is not really relevant except for girls being made promises from those eastern European states; who should also fear promises made about Amsterdam.

Nov 01 13 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
mrpgraphic
Posts: 28
Haaren, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands


One last comment from my side;
Google modeling Amsterdam.
I think it is wiser.....
Nov 02 13 07:46 am  Link  Quote 
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GPS Studio Services
Posts: 36,044
San Francisco, California, US


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mrpgraphic wrote:
One last comment from my side;
Google modeling Amsterdam.
I think it is wiser.....

The poster that woke this old thread up was asking about a specific agency in Istanbul.   She wanted to know about "Flash Management."  While we should all consider the issue of trafficking, I think we need to try to get this thread back on topic. 

If anyone has information about the agency she asked about, that would be a good topic to discuss.  Certainly if anyone has first hand knowledge about that agency and human trafficking, that would be important.

Nov 02 13 09:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
mrpgraphic
Posts: 28
Haaren, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands


Sorry, the name flash modeling I just overlooked.

Turkey has been lately quite a lot in a negative way in the news.
That is why I react this way.


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The poster that woke this old thread up was asking about a specific agency in Istanbul.   She wanted to know about "Flash Management."  While we should all consider the issue of trafficking, I think we need to try to get this thread back on topic. 

If anyone has information about the agency she asked about, that would be a good topic to discuss.  Certainly if anyone has first hand knowledge about that agency and human trafficking, that would be important.

Nov 02 13 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
Saboroma
Posts: 1
New York, New York, US


Hey guys,

We are New York based evening dress company and attending the Fashion Show in Istanbul next week. I know it is a kinda last minute but usually we do fashion shows all around the US ( New York, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Chicago, Atlanta and Dallas) but this time we have decided to have one in the Istanbul.

Any professional freelance model?

Here is the link for the casting call.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/casting/1898676

Please email your portfolio to sales@saboroma.com

Thanks...
Sabooma PR Dept.
Nov 27 13 08:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
varton
Posts: 2,311
New York, New York, US


There is a comprehensive list in various agencies in Istanbul below url
http://www.kmodels.com/turkey-modeling- … links1.htm
can not vouch for either of them

Magda Kulpinska wrote:
Hey,

I was in Istanbul on a contract about 2 years ago, with Erberk which is supposedly the best agency over there.

more info on Erberk (Neshe Erberk former fashion model apparently set up her own agency)
http://www.erberk.com.tr/en/hizmetlerimiz.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ne%C5%9Fe_Erberk

Nov 28 13 07:37 am  Link  Quote 
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