Kiera Stone wrote: Whats the point in everyone begging for comments? Seems to me you don't earn it that way by asking people to comment your photos etc.
I guess people think that comments on a photo imply that it is a good photo. So, more comments=good photo=good photographer
I do not agree with that but that is my theory
As I see it, it's more about networking, seeing other people's recent updates, seeing what others think of your images, rather than a fair assessment of your work (especially since from what I know you can't critique, but only post positive comments), see what the pictures in your portfolio are that others like most etc. .
I don't think people should take MM so seriously, for every person begging for comments, there's a rant about flakes or escorts, it's all part of the mayhem.
I guess people think that comments on a photo imply that it is a good photo. So, more comments=good photo=good photographer
I do not agree with that but that is my theory
Part social and part sales. How will you get noticed if you don't participate?
Couple weeks ago you asked the forums about your pictures and a lot people gave the opinion that you should take down the pic of you on all fours on the blue sweep. Did you decide to keep it?
Kiera Stone wrote: Whats the point in everyone begging for comments? Seems to me you don't earn it that way by asking people to comment your photos etc.
It's a ploy to get people to look at your portfolio.
Kiera Stone wrote: Whats the point in everyone begging for comments? Seems to me you don't earn it that way by asking people to comment your photos etc.
pxspace wrote: As I see it, it's more about networking, seeing other people's recent updates, seeing what others think of your images, rather than a fair assessment of your work (especially since from what I know you can't critique, but only post positive comments), see what the pictures in your portfolio are that others like most etc. .
I don't think people should take MM so seriously, for every person begging for comments, there's a rant about flakes or escorts, it's all part of the mayhem.
Thats Just what it is.. It just opens up more avenues, More people to see your port, Etc. We all can take photos and we all have different styles and experience levels, As long as we enjoy what we do and put a smile on our subjects face, thats what is important.
My belief is " It has to be fun, If its not fun it becomes work, when its work, WHY DO IT "
Kiera Stone wrote: Whats the point in everyone begging for comments? Seems to me you don't earn it that way by asking people to comment your photos etc.
Your chose to describe asking for a comment as "begging". That tells me a lot about you.
Comments = recognition and 'approval' to most who post images here on MM. the problem is, members are not allowed to give unsolicited 'critiques'--a combination of the good AND bad points of an image.What you wind up with is usually a list of comments in the 'nice image', 'sexy shot', 'nice work', category--just comments. not much real value except positive reinforcement, even if the image sucks. it trains everyone to repeat technical and concept mistakes, expecting more 'recognition' to follow.
I recommend submitting images in the critique forums, submit your images to a wide open comment/critique site such as photosig.com, or provide comments on other members images that detail the good aspects of that image--why is it 'good'? if the image does not truly merit credit and praise, don't provide false positives.
All this takes time and study--therefore it usually does not happen and is not attractive to the average member here.
best wishes.
I just won't trade comments. If people leave me one and I have a chance, I'll check out their work. And if there's something I really like, I'll comment.
I'm not going to have people see my name saying "Great job" on crappy pictures. I think it brings your taste level into question, besides not being honest.
RP Chicago wrote: Part social and part sales. How will you get noticed if you don't participate?
Couple weeks ago you asked the forums about your pictures and a lot people gave the opinion that you should take down the pic of you on all fours on the blue sweep. Did you decide to keep it?
I wish people would follow good advice I give them in critiques. Usually I look at their portfolio after and it's exactly the same.
Every once in a while I would trade comments. I would comment on those asking or begging for comments. I got burned several times and did not receive a comment in return. So I said the hell with it.
For honesty the local models and photographers won't stop by and say eww that's sucks and most local photographer's won't give you tips to improve your there competition dunno my 2 cents lol.
JWB2 wrote: Every once in a while I would trade comments. I would comment on those asking or begging for comments. I got burned several times and did not receive a comment in return. So I said the hell with it.
been here, done this, still smell like smoke--oh well..................
DG at studio47 wrote: Comments = recognition and 'approval' to most who post images here on MM. the problem is, members are not allowed to give unsolicited 'critiques'--a combination of the good AND bad points of an image.What you wind up with is usually a list of comments in the 'nice image', 'sexy shot', 'nice work', category--just comments. not much real value except positive reinforcement, even if the image sucks. it trains everyone to repeat technical and concept mistakes, expecting more 'recognition' to follow.
I recommend submitting images in the critique forums, submit your images to a wide open comment/critique site such as photosig.com, or provide comments on other members images that detail the good aspects of that image--why is it 'good'? if the image does not truly merit credit and praise, don't provide false positives.
All this takes time and study--therefore it usually does not happen and is not attractive to the average member here.
best wishes.
The first comment trade I did, she gave me a negative criticism in return. I decided trading comments is a waste of time. She thought she was helping me.
The first comment trade I did, she gave me a negative criticism in return. I decided trading comments is a waste of time. She thought she was helping me.
I used to include the phrase "comments returned" when I would have a casting call up
to in theory get models and such to hopefully get to my page to see the casting call..(kinda like using a lure for fishing)
I ended up with a ton of comments from people nowhere near where the casting call was for...
mostly saying "nice pic" or something...
since have stopped that tactic and just hit the announcements hard...
To me, a comment out of nowhere means 100x more than one that was "begged" for
Light Writer
Posts: 18,233
Hayward, California, US
Chris Rifkin wrote: Oh...and awaits the trainwreck
It doesn't have to be a train wreck. Let's assume that there's a serious question which unfortunately was not phrased well.
There are 600k members of this site. Probably 100k are "active" daily, posting to the forums (fora), searching, posting casting calls and so on. Advertising is an important aspect of "networking". Before the internet one went to conventions or meetings to promote oneself in a community. With the internet the line where a special interest group (like a photography club) meets the public has disappeared. So rather than having a small discussion promoting oneself, it is more like advertising to the general public. One way to advertise is to post on the forums, another is to post in shout box, a third is to browse/search for others and a fourth to post comments.
What's wrong with promoting oneself by asking for comments? We assume that the critique forums are about critiques solely, but they are a form of self-promotion and thus "advertising".
Now some ads are wonderful at explaining the product, some are bad at it. Some ads are better at promoting the advertiser than the product. It seems to me that there's nothing wrong in offering to exchange comments in order to promote oneself in the community, the risk is that the advertisement becomes the subject rather than the photography or modeling.
In internet land, there is also the danger of trolling and the rise of snarky-ness due to anonimity and other factors.
Just Danielle
Posts: 2,243
Petersfield, England, United Kingdom
Chris Rifkin wrote: Oh...and awaits the trainwreck
+1
yadda yadda yadda yaaawwwwn.....
this topic has been covered before & have always turned nasty. You don't like to trade comments? Then whine about in the forums because it's 'whoring'
Light Writer
Posts: 18,233
Hayward, California, US
There's also a distinction between comments posted to specific images, tags left on a member's page, and the various critique forums (fora). The member can delete the comments and tags, but in the critique forums (fora) s/he does not.
In other arenas, like youtube, there's a big kerfuffle about members deleting and blocking other users, and how petty such a deletion can be. In this site one has the freedom to delete comments without disapprobation since the member's port is more of networking/advertising feature, than a "free exchange of comments" (forum).
WMcK
Posts: 5,187
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom
I tried an experiment recently. I commented on ten portfolios where the owners said "all comments returned." Not just one comment, but at least five per portfolio. Only two returned comments as they had promised. Out of the eight who didn't, one was someone who considers himself one of the biggest names on MM, but still resorts to begging for comments (and lying about returning them!) So if you are tempted by "all comments returned," don't. the chances are that they won't be.
Kiera Stone wrote: Whats the point in everyone begging for comments? Seems to me you don't earn it that way by asking people to comment your photos etc.
Insecure I guess.
The site banned members from asking people to vote on their contest entries seems similar to me.
Kiera Stone wrote: Whats the point in everyone begging for comments? Seems to me you don't earn it that way by asking people to comment your photos etc.
Some people tend to be comment counters. Its a quantity over quality thing for them so to speak. Doesn't do anything for me although some people are flattered
pxspace wrote: As I see it, it's more about networking, seeing other people's recent updates, seeing what others think of your images, rather than a fair assessment of your work (especially since from what I know you can't critique, but only post positive comments), see what the pictures in your portfolio are that others like most etc. .
I don't think people should take MM so seriously, for every person begging for comments, there's a rant about flakes or escorts, it's all part of the mayhem.
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