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DONALD
Posts: 74
CANOGA PARK, California, US


I'm sure this is an ongoing debate here, but I'd lve to hear the current feelings from photographers and models, male and female.

In my nude photo experience, I've posed for both full frontal and semi or implied nudes. I'm potentially booked to shoot some additional couples images, and concerned about what would be most acceptable to the industry in general, especially when it comes to find paying jobs and continuing with life modeling.

I'm most comfortable not showing everything, and I feel that in most cases full nudity (male and female) changes the focus of the image from the average viewer.  I'm also not sure where this line is between "art" and "adult", though I do believe that male erections and/or the touching of male or female genitalia does cross the line a bit, but I also know there is a huge gray area here.

I've posted both types of images in my port here, and it will be interesting to see the reaction. I'm just not sure what the general feeling is from models and photographers on this, or if I should take  the images off.

Thanks in advance-your thoughts are appreciated, fell free to PM me here if you would rather.
Nov 24 11 08:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Shon D.- Femme
Posts: 24,369
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


Honestly, I don't see anything wrong at all with full-frontal male nudity or erection. It is not inherently pornographic, in my opinion.
Nov 24 11 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
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BrianThedellPhotography
Posts: 168
Santee, California, US


Yes.

Please.
Nov 24 11 08:23 am  Link  Quote 
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alessandro2009
Posts: 7,360
Florence, Toscana, Italy


DONALDS wrote:
... and concerned about what would be most acceptable to the industry in general, especially when it comes to find paying jobs and continuing with life modeling.

... though I do believe that male erections and/or the touching of male or female genitalia does cross the line a bit, but

Male erections aren't allowed on MM at all.
About the rest you should draw the line and understand what compromise you're willing to accept.
But given the economy, given that you are a male, given your characteristics, i think could be very difficult for you hope to make a living doing modeling, no matter the efforts.
Sad and, perhaps, cruel to say, but i think a man of your age can hold it, instead of providing false illusions.

Nov 24 11 10:48 am  Link  Quote 
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Through Elizabeths Eyes
Posts: 4,916
Yelm, Washington, US


I don't have a problem with it, and I'm actually looking to set up shoots with males for art nudes. To me, it's all about the lines of the image, not what is creating those lines.
Nov 24 11 10:51 am  Link  Quote 
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D0127H
Posts: 1,135
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


I personally have no problem with male nudity.  Koons/Saudek/Jay Gumm (DEFINITELY check out Matthias Herrmann) and many others, pretty inspiring stuff.  However, it's worth considering the bias of any group you ask feedback from.  Model Mayhem culture seems to skew female glam, for instance.  Just do what feels right for you, and if people don't get it, it's not your problem, it's theirs.  Good luck with your work D
Nov 24 11 10:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Jonny Jean
Posts: 954
Los Angeles, California, US


full frontal itself is fine, but that doesn't mean every full-frontal image is worth seeing. The general feeling from models and photographers after seeing your full frontal images, is probably different than how they would feel after viewing a full frontal piece of art in a gallery.
Nov 24 11 11:04 am  Link  Quote 
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GER Photography
Posts: 7,662
Imperial, California, US


Shoot what you want, I don't want to see it, but of course, others do.
Nov 24 11 11:05 am  Link  Quote 
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MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,862
Seattle, Washington, US


I am by no means offended by it, but I would definitely rather not see it.  I would never love an image that had male full frontal nudity.  IMO, men look a lot better in pictures with that part covered up.
Nov 24 11 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
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Ronald N. Tan
Posts: 2,739
Los Angeles, California, US


Full frontal male nudity (even an erect penis) is beautiful when composed and lit in a proper way with a great photographer, who is well-competent with male captures.
Nov 24 11 11:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Through Elizabeths Eyes
Posts: 4,916
Yelm, Washington, US


Ronald Nyein Zaw Tan wrote:
Full frontal male nudity (even an erect penis) is beautiful when composed and lit in a proper way with a great photographer, who is well-competent with male captures.

Aw, I liked your first post better.

Nov 24 11 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


Through Elizabeths Eyes wrote:
I don't have a problem with it, and I'm actually looking to set up shoots with males for art nudes. To me, it's all about the lines of the image, not what is creating those lines.

CAN YOU PLEASE give me an art nude where the flaccid penis doesn't look sad, pouty, and hilarious.

Nov 24 11 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
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Through Elizabeths Eyes
Posts: 4,916
Yelm, Washington, US


Damianne wrote:

CAN YOU PLEASE give me an art nude where the flaccid penis doesn't look sad, pouty, and hilarious.

I'm going to try, lol. I may have to wait until summer though, because I want to shoot in the woods, and it's kind of cold here, which makes penis sad. sad

Nov 24 11 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
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D0127H
Posts: 1,135
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Ronald Nyein Zaw Tan wrote:
Full frontal male nudity (even an erect penis) is beautiful when composed and lit in a proper way with a great photographer, who is well-competent with male captures.

Agree.  Also (to add to my previous response) remembered the work of an MM photographer Terry Smith (America's Finest Kids) and Slava Mogutin.

Nov 24 11 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Carter
Posts: 7,636
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


Through Elizabeths Eyes wrote:

I'm going to try, lol. I may have to wait until summer though, because I want to shoot in the woods, and it's kind of cold here, which makes penis sad. sad

http://mnemosyne.smugmug.com/photos/i-WcV6Lj7/0/XL/i-WcV6Lj7-XL.gif

Nov 24 11 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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RH Imagery
Posts: 608
Los Angeles, California, US


Shoot whatever you're comfortable with. As far as the merit of full or partial male (or female for that matter) nudes, it's just so subjective. People on all sides of the fence  will have opinions.

Bottom line is that the human body is a wonder to behold and it's sad to me when people demonize parts of our bodies. There is work for you in art nude modeling and if that's an area you want to pursue then you certainly should. No one can tell an individual what's right or wrong for them as a career path for modeling. And the artistic (or other) interpretation of any giving image full or partial will never get a clear answer. Especially from this site which, as other have stated, tends to lean toward female glam images (generality - I know).

But I do think it's absurd how the male body is ridiculed - especially with an erection. Hell, it's a perfectly natural state for males to be in, and it's so sad to me that our society in general looks at male images as dirty and disgusting. It's actually shocking to me how many men (and women) find the male body appalling.

Do what you want, and I applaud any model for following their heart, being brave and embracing the beauty of the human form.

My humble opinion.
Nov 24 11 12:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Scott Aitken
Posts: 3,587
Seattle, Washington, US


I shoot a lot of male nude art photography.

Most commercial male models I've worked with who are agency represented cannot shoot full frontal. It is a restriction placed on them by their agents. They are usually allowed to pose nude showing from the side or rear, so long as their penis doesn't show.

But at your height, you probably aren't likely going to have traditional agency representation. So if that isn't a consideration, shoot whatever you want.
Nov 24 11 12:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


ew no...there is nothing less aesthetic then a male nude...
Nov 24 11 02:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Javier_Mejia
Posts: 386
Los Angeles, California, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
ew no...there is nothing less aesthetic then a male nude...

Yep.

Nov 24 11 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ronald N. Tan
Posts: 2,739
Los Angeles, California, US


Not quite.

When I refer to "competency," I am referring to the the echelon of Meisel, Thomson, Klein, Vriens-McGrath, et. al—whose nudes (often leaving nothing to the imagination) appears in the crème de la crème magazines.

That was the "elite" standard I referred prior to my redaction of my post.

You can already see that even amongst us who are protagonists of the male frontal nudity (even explicit, if you will) are subjective, differentiating, and discriminative.


D0127H wrote:
Agree.  Also (to add to my previous response) remembered the work of an MM photographer Terry Smith (America's Finest Kids) and Slava Mogutin.

Nov 24 11 03:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,995
New York, New York, US


Generally speaking, whatever our personal opinions, I think that society as a whole has a very strong double standard when it comes to male and female nudity in general, and displays of genitalia in particular.

Back in the '60s there was a case in which several college men and women went "streaking" across a football field.  The men were arrested and fined, but the judge ruled that while the men were guilty of public lewdness, the women had not broken the law because their sex organs, being internal, were not visible whereas the men's, being external. were.  In handing down his ruling, he commented that it was unfair, but it was the way the law was written.

My take is that having the pubic area visible tends to move the picture out of the fine art arena and into at least the erotic, and depending on the treatment, possibly into the pornographic arena, for most people.  Certainly an erection, masturbation or touching the genitalia would move it firmly into pornography, at least for most people.  And where publication is contemplated, it doesn't really matter much what you or I may think.  What matters is what the public as a whole thinks.

All IMHO, as always.
Nov 24 11 03:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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D0127H
Posts: 1,135
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Ronald Nyein Zaw Tan wrote:
Not quite.

When I refer to "competency," I am referring to the the echelon of Meisel, Thomson, Klein, Vriens-McGrath, et. al—whose nudes (often leaving nothing to the imagination) appears in the crème de la crème magazines.

That was the "elite" standard I referred prior to my redaction of my post.

You can already see that even amongst us who are protagonists of the male frontal nudity (even explicit, if you will) are subjective, differentiating, and discriminative.

The references were intended for the original poster, my error.  I'm most definitely not talking about fashion/style magazine work.

Nov 24 11 06:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mearle
Posts: 915
Olympia, Washington, US


MM seems pretty damn relaxed about how relaxed an erection has to be to not be erect. To me I see in the OP's port an erect penis, just pointed downward. I see so many very obviously prepped penises in the 18+ competitions. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise. They are fluffed and plumped up, just not pointing upward. Who do they think they are fooling? LOL Well, the MM administrators, that's for sure. IMHO
Nov 24 11 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,205
Orlando, Florida, US


Everything can be photographed well and everything can be photographed poorly.

Full frontal male nudes included.
Nov 24 11 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 21,962
New York, New York, US


DONALDS wrote:
I'm also not sure where this line is between "art" and "adult",

I am sorry... I can't really tell you much about the other issues... never had to deal with that except for "self portraits" to photograph my back tattoo (which extends to my lower thighs... but then again, I didn't do that for "art" or "fashion"...

Anyway... back to that question above: If it's in black & white... it's art...

If its in color, it's adult.

If it's a BAD adult color photo... and you turn it into grainy black & white... voila... art again.

I find it amazing how that works... wink

Nov 24 11 09:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 21,962
New York, New York, US


double
Nov 24 11 09:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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BrianThedellPhotography
Posts: 168
Santee, California, US


Mearle wrote:
...They are fluffed and plumped up, just not pointing upward. Who do they think they are fooling? LOL Well, the MM administrators, that's for sure. IMHO

Some men are "grow-ers," some men are "show-ers"... it's entirely possible for some men to be flaccid and still large. The question is—is it tumescent? Because if it is, well then it's an erection...

Nov 24 11 09:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Through Elizabeths Eyes
Posts: 4,916
Yelm, Washington, US


Mearle wrote:
MM seems pretty damn relaxed about how relaxed an erection has to be to not be erect. To me I see in the OP's port an erect penis, just pointed downward. I see so many very obviously prepped penises in the 18+ competitions. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise. They are fluffed and plumped up, just not pointing upward. Who do they think they are fooling? LOL Well, the MM administrators, that's for sure. IMHO

Speaking as a woman....

Erect is just that. Erect. Pointing upward. Standing tall, at the mast, ready to go, jump on baby let's have a ride.

"Fluffed" or "plumped" is not erect, and considering how widely different every penis is, to assume that just because it's slightly enlarged means it's hard, partially hard, fluffed, or erect is erroneous.

They're not always "prepped" either, as a man you should know this. Sometimes, arousal happens, and there's nothing you can do but make the best of the situation.

Like when you're at Great Aunt Linda's funeral and you start wandering to that porn you watched two days ago.

I really, honestly, do not understand why men are so scared or horrified/disgusted by pictures of anothers penis. That would be like me getting disgusted by someone else's boobs, or labia. Oh god no! LABIA! Someone blind me so I never see what I can just look down and see on myself!

Nov 24 11 11:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nor-Cal Photography
Posts: 2,574
Walnut Creek, California, US


Damianne wrote:
CAN YOU PLEASE give me an art nude where the flaccid penis doesn't look sad, pouty, and hilarious.

Try this one:

18+
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 6#24208056

Nov 24 11 11:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nor-Cal Photography
Posts: 2,574
Walnut Creek, California, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
Everything can be photographed well and everything can be photographed poorly.

Full frontal male nudes included.

+1

Nov 24 11 11:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fetibeth
Posts: 1,089
Yelm, Washington, US


Nor-Cal Photography wrote:

Try this one:

18+
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 6#24208056

That penis is not flaccid. (And yes, I know what I just said above. Not flaccid does not mean erect).

Nov 24 11 11:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nikki Magnusson
Posts: 6,841
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


yes ...
Nov 24 11 11:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


Nor-Cal Photography wrote:

Try this one:

18+
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 6#24208056

My opinions on that photo have been stated elsewhere. smile

Nov 24 11 11:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


Fetibeth wrote:

That penis is not flaccid. (And yes, I know what I just said above. Not flaccid does not mean erect).

*taps nose*

Nov 24 11 11:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mnemosyne - Projects
Posts: 894
Bloomington, Indiana, US


Through Elizabeths Eyes wrote:
Speaking as a woman....

Erect is just that. Erect. Pointing upward. Standing tall, at the mast, ready to go, jump on baby let's have a ride.

"Fluffed" or "plumped" is not erect, and considering how widely different every penis is, to assume that just because it's slightly enlarged means it's hard, partially hard, fluffed, or erect is erroneous.

They're not always "prepped" either, as a man you should know this. Sometimes, arousal happens, and there's nothing you can do but make the best of the situation.

Like when you're at Great Aunt Linda's funeral and you start wandering to that porn you watched two days ago.

I really, honestly, do not understand why men are so scared or horrified/disgusted by pictures of anothers penis. That would be like me getting disgusted by someone else's boobs, or labia. Oh god no! LABIA! Someone blind me so I never see what I can just look down and see on myself!

There are actually many settings to arousal of a man's penis.

Cold
Warm
Hard.
Hard enough.
Watching baseball
"Yes Mistress!!!"
Thinking about having sex with your significant other.
Thinking about someone else having sex with your significant other.
Thinking about your grandmother/grandfather having sex with your significant other.
"Whiskey dick."
Elephantitis.
Cold shower.
Lorena Bobbitt.


Also, labia are so  much cooler than penises.

Nov 24 11 11:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,974
Costa Mesa, California, US


I tend to avoid male nude models who don't do full frontal. To much emphasis on hiding the penis takes away from the photos and can make them look awkward. Just MY opinion of course. As for errections..not my cup of tea. Self control is a good thing when modeling.
Nov 25 11 12:16 am  Link  Quote 
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Saedcantas
Posts: 445
Saint Saviour, Saint Saviour, United Kingdom


I'm going to answer having viewed your port, don't take me too seriously though, it's just my perception smile

The one where you're at the window with what looks to me like a partially tumescent penis. I'll be honest, the coat, the window, the overall appearance of your genitalia and the lack of typical "art nude" lighting and contrast, leaves this image in the region of erotic. To me, it conjured "pervert at the window" and I'm certain that isn't what you were hoping for.

The one where you are reclining on the sofa in a silk gown, with a euphoric facial expression and again a slightly tumescent penis. Steps over into erotic and again conjures "man having a post masturbatory nap".

The photographer who took these shots with you did not represent you well unless you intended them to be erotic not artistic, the lighting is too soft, the props and settings are ill advised.

I've seen many incredible male nudes with full frontal here on MM and I have no issues with seeing it whether it's artistic or erotic. Just look carefully at your shots as an outsider and think, what do they conjure?
Nov 25 11 03:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Nor-Cal Photography
Posts: 2,574
Walnut Creek, California, US


Saedcantas wrote:
The one where you're at the window with what looks to me like a partially tumescent penis. I'll be honest, the coat, the window, the overall appearance of your genitalia and the lack of typical "art nude" lighting and contrast, leaves this image in the region of erotic. To me, it conjured "pervert at the window" and I'm certain that isn't what you were hoping for.

The one where you are reclining on the sofa in a silk gown, with a euphoric facial expression and again a slightly tumescent penis. Steps over into erotic and again conjures "man having a post masturbatory nap".

+1

Nov 25 11 10:14 am  Link  Quote 
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Jason Haven
Posts: 38,287
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Saedcantas wrote:
"man having a post masturbatory nap"

Listen, there's an art to that.

Nov 25 11 10:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Terrell Gates
Posts: 1,036
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US


I have been shooting nudes for over fifty years and have never understood the problem... I think the Puritans have warped one hell of a lot of people. I think the coy implied nudes are just silly.... "Full Monty," nudes are the only way to go...
Nov 25 11 11:11 am  Link  Quote 
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