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Jeffs Photography
Posts: 3,608
Dakota, Minnesota, US


Several months ago I was thoroughly disgusted when Jamie Oliver "shared" the process that is used to create some of the meat products used in fast food restaurants and school food vendors. I took it with a grain of salt since his show is/was about shock value. Well, his description of the process was pretty accurate. In fact, McDonalds has since changed their policy and does not use meat processed in this manner.

So, if it doesn't meet McDonalds standards...should we allow it in schools? Seriously, this product is essentially a dog food grade product cleaned with ammonia so it is "safe" for humans.

http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-us … chool-food


FYI:
I have worked in meat departments and slaughtered chickens/pigs on farms, so I do now there are many practices in the meat industry that are questionable. I am not "up in arms" about this, but if this product does not live up to fast food standards...it should not be in schools.
Mar 10 12 06:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Instinct Images
Posts: 22,470
San Diego, California, US


It's not a matter of being up to McDonald's standards it's about negative publicity and public perception.
Mar 10 12 06:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DHayes Photography
Posts: 4,805
Richmond, Virginia, US


During my college days I worked part time in a fast food restaurant that made shakes and other ice cream desserts.  At first we used three scoops of ice cream in a standard sized shake along with chocolate or whatever flavor the customer ordered.  A bit later, we started using two scoops of ice cream and a substance that was mostly methyl cellulose - the same stuff used in movies to make slime and other goo.  It was a thick translucent white and had the consistency of lard or softened butter.  Once it was thoroughly mixed with ice cream and flavorings, the customer had no idea that his or her delicious shake was not all ice cream.
Mar 10 12 07:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Instinct Images wrote:
It's not a matter of being up to McDonald's standards it's about negative publicity and public perception.

When the manufacturer has to steep the table sweepings and trimmings in ammonia in order to sterilize it so it's safe for human consumption, it's about much more than just publicity and perception.

Mar 10 12 07:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael A Broughton
Posts: 1,194
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Orca Bay Images wrote:
When the manufacturer has to steep the table sweepings and trimmings in ammonia in order to sterilize it so it's safe for human consumption, it's about much more than just publicity and perception.

how is that different from adding chlorine to drinking water, or rinsing off fresh produce with dilute bleach, or pasteurizing milk, or any of the other thousands of things we do to our food to keep it from killing us?
in all the news stories i've seen about pink slime so far, the only arguments against it's use have been "ew, gross!" and "ammonium hydroxide!" spoken in an ominous, chemophobic tone. if there's any evidence that it poses a significant risk to public health compared to other meat products, you'd think somebody would mention it.

Mar 11 12 03:28 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 15,665
New York, New York, US


I signed it yesterday.

smile
Mar 11 12 06:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Tore
Posts: 13,706
Stamford, Connecticut, US


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Mar 11 12 06:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Jules NYC
Posts: 15,665
New York, New York, US


^^

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Mar 11 12 06:42 am  Link  Quote 
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SillyEddy
Posts: 2,246
Coventry, England, United Kingdom


Anyone else agree that McNuggets tasted better before they changed it back to real chicken?

Face it, bad food is bad no matter what. Restaurant food is usually unhealthy. School food is terrible (make your children a packed lunch if you care about them). If you want to eat healthily... Eat lettuce (and even that was grown and processed with all sorts of chemicals).




We're all doomed.
Mar 11 12 07:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,544
Pasadena, California, US


E P O N A wrote:
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/demotivational-posters-i-scream-you-scream.jpg

That is NOT pink slime.  That is mechanically separated chicken.  Big, big difference.

Mar 11 12 07:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffs Photography
Posts: 3,608
Dakota, Minnesota, US


Michael A Broughton wrote:
how is that different from adding chlorine to drinking water, or rinsing off fresh produce with dilute bleach, or pasteurizing milk, or any of the other thousands of things we do to our food to keep it from killing us?

Ignoring the chemicals, the meat product being used is considered as an ingredient for pet food. The nutritional value is low and it is processed to meet the minimum standards for people. I understand that things may be added to ingredients to make them safer and have a greater shelf life, but the issue for me is the basic ingredient.

Mar 11 12 07:22 am  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Ivory Oasis
Posts: 118
Los Angeles, California, US


Enrapture Photography wrote:

Ignoring the chemicals, the meat product being used is considered as an ingredient for pet food. The nutritional value is low and it is processed to meet the minimum standards for people. I understand that things may be added to ingredients to make them safer and have a greater shelf life, but the issue for me is the basic ingredient.

Yea... but it is cheap and increases profits.. and we are in a capitalist society... sooo... would you like fries with that? big_smile

Mar 11 12 08:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Robert Mossack
Posts: 1,243
Joplin, Missouri, US


E P O N A wrote:
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/demotivational-posters-i-scream-you-scream.jpg

Back in the day I worked at a poultry processing plant batching "emulsified " chicken like this into various products. It's nasty, nasty stuff, and you won't get me to eat processed chicken to this day.

Mar 11 12 08:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Chris Macan
Posts: 12,789
HAVERTOWN, Pennsylvania, US


Enrapture Photography wrote:
should we allow it in schools?

There are a lot of things in schools that probably shouldn't be there....

Mar 11 12 08:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffs Photography
Posts: 3,608
Dakota, Minnesota, US


Chris Macan wrote:
There are a lot of things in schools that probably shouldn't be there....

Agreed, but the food programs need to be addressed first. School nutrition is something that can be addressed and corrected with a little education. Food programs have changed greatly over the years, but for far too long parents simply assumed the food in schools was acceptable. Communities across the US are working to use locally sourced food and foods with higher nutritional values. More and more people are seeking organic or free range food sources and the availability of such products is increasing.

Pink slime is offal--a waste product from the butchering process. In the furniture industry such products may be acceptable, but the low quality is very apparent.

Mar 11 12 10:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael A Broughton
Posts: 1,194
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Enrapture Photography wrote:
Pink slime is offal--a waste product from the butchering process. In the furniture industry such products may be acceptable, but the low quality is very apparent.

so basically pink slime = particle board. mmmmm, particle board.

Mar 11 12 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Bots
Posts: 5,546
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


Defending ‘pink slime’
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/03/12 … slime-1-2/

Beef Products Inc.

"BPI spokesman Rich Jochum told The Daily. “It 3) meets the budget parameters that allow the school lunch program to feed kids nationwide every day.”

"Extracting beef remnants from fat and trimmings, where pathogens such as E. coli and salmonella are found in markedly higher concentrations, is a cost effective way to increase overall yields — shaving an estimated 3 cents off the cost of making a pound of ground beef."

“Not only is this product a potential source of killer pathogens if the ammonia levels are not controlled properly, but that the overall protein quality of the beef hamburger is compromised by the inclusion of LFTB,” former U.S. Department of Agriculture microbiologist Gerald Zirnstein told The Daily in an email. Zirnstein, who worked in the agency’s Food Safety and Inspection Service, coined the term “pink slime” after touring a BPI production plant."

"The former director of food safety for BPI, Kit Foshee, maintains that the company’s CEO routinely told fast-food companies that the inclusion of treated beef would help kill pathogens when mixed with other ground beef."
“BPI is marketing themselves as a pinnacle of safety,” Foshee said. “It’s all lies. It’s all marketing.”

http://downloads.thedaily.com/ui-images/2012/03/12/031212-news-pink-slime-ss-662w.jpg
Mar 13 12 03:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Yeah, no meat for me, thank you very much.
Mar 13 12 04:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Christopher Willingham
Posts: 21,859
Long Beach, California, US


They should sell that stuff in grocery stores - I'd love to make a bunt cake - out of meat!
Mar 13 12 08:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
-Jen-
Posts: 46,813
Howell, Michigan, US


Signing online petitions does nothing, really.

For petitions signatures to "count" they have to be authenticated. There is no way to do that with online petition signatures.
Mar 13 12 10:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Bots
Posts: 5,546
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


McDonald’s Announces End to ‘Pink Slime’ in Burgers
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012 … n-burgers/

McDonald's scraps "pink slime" from burgers
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- … m-burgers/
Mar 13 12 10:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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