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Garry k
Posts: 25,181
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Coco Rocha's Anti Nude Stance and Calling out Elle Brazil for photochopping away her clothes on their cover


http://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/fashion/new … zil-cover/


Thoughts on this ?
Apr 25 12 08:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn Locke
Posts: 31,849
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Honestly, I think people who have the good fortune to get on Elle covers probably shouldn't complain too much, about anything. Seriously.
Apr 25 12 09:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fifi
Posts: 58,086
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Considering you can't see anything at all, and it looks extremely tasteful... I'm not getting what the outrage is about. I could understand if she was all nippley.
Apr 25 12 09:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Star
Posts: 17,698
Los Angeles, California, US


Fifi wrote:
Considering you can't see anything at all, and it looks extremely tasteful... I'm not getting what the outrage is about. I could understand if she was all nippley.

They violated her written contract. That is the problem

Apr 25 12 09:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 8,189
Brooklyn, New York, US


I call BS !!!
There was a reality TV "actress" from Pakistan who pulled this same stunt a few months ago
Im sure they are crying all the way to the bank
Apr 25 12 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fifi
Posts: 58,086
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Star wrote:
They violated her written contract. That is the problem

Just googling her, I found a number of images that showed the same amount of skin as the cover image... Not to mention this image...

18+ http://data.touchpuppet.com/wp-content/ … tdcoco.jpg

Like I said. She's not naked and nothing is seen, so I really don't get the outrage.

Apr 25 12 09:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jose Luis
Posts: 2,890
Dallas, Texas, US


oh brother- what a prude!
Apr 25 12 09:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Digital Soup
Posts: 20,901
Long Beach, California, US


Star wrote:

They violated her written contract. That is the problem

If its a contract thing, why is she publicly tweeting or whatever?

I would think that a pro would have a few more locks on that gate?

Apr 25 12 09:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Justin
Posts: 20,099
Fort Collins, Colorado, US


Prude or not, other shots or not, if the agreement between model and magazine was violated in order to show more flesh, it's exploitative and wrong.
Apr 25 12 09:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,870
Austin, Texas, US


Fifi wrote:

Just googling her, I found a number of images that showed the same amount of skin as the cover image... Not to mention this image...

18+ http://data.touchpuppet.com/wp-content/ … tdcoco.jpg

Like I said. She's not naked and nothing is seen, so I really don't get the outrage.

Because there was a contract?

Apr 25 12 09:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Über Dami
Posts: 5,533
New Haven, Connecticut, US


i'd be pissed too.  photoshopping off clothing is stupid as hell.  either shoot it skimpy or nude...or shoot it clothed.  don't go photoshopping off clothing.  that's breach of contract in her case and bloody annoying on the other hand.  i'd be pissed too.
Apr 25 12 09:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fifi
Posts: 58,086
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Damianne wrote:

Because there was a contract?

No, I understand the contract part. I am just trying to wrap my head around her anti-nudity stance.

Apr 25 12 09:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Über Dami
Posts: 5,533
New Haven, Connecticut, US


Fifi wrote:

No, I understand the contract part. I am just trying to wrap my head around her anti-nudity stance.

some people just don't want the world to see them nude.  end of story.  simple to understand.

Apr 25 12 09:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fifi
Posts: 58,086
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Über Dami wrote:

some people just don't want the world to see them nude.  end of story.  simple to understand.

I understand that. I know tons of models who don't shoot nudes for that reason, and I applaud them for that. But, to have a non-nude stance when you have shot nudes before, that's what I don't understand

I agree that breaching a contract is an incredibly shitty thing to do.

Apr 25 12 09:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Shon D.- Homme
Posts: 3,074
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


I honestly wouldn't have known that she was supposedly nude had she not cried about it.
Apr 25 12 09:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Über Dami
Posts: 5,533
New Haven, Connecticut, US


Fifi wrote:

I understand that. I know tons of models who don't shoot nudes for that reason, and I applaud them for that. But, to have a non-nude stance when you have shot nudes before, that's what I don't understand

I agree that breaching a contract is an incredibly shitty thing to do.

i don't know, maybe she wanted to keep nudes as one aspect of her career and not have an implied sort of nude for a cover photo.  maybe to her being on the cover of a magazine was a bit more prestigious so warranted a more clothed look? i'm just guessing here.  i mean i wouldn't want to get a cover and have someone remove the clothing i wore for it.  i'd want it as we had planned.

Apr 25 12 09:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Image K
Posts: 23,100
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Shon D.- Homme wrote:
I honestly wouldn't have known that she was supposedly nude had she not cried about it.

Same here.

Apr 25 12 10:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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CBAPhoto
Posts: 162
Reno, Nevada, US


There's a bunch of people here saying that they violated her "written" contract, yet there's nothing shown in the article in terms of the specific contract where it says they couldn't PS the sheer fabric. The cover of the mag is shown, not the contract. Anyone else notice this?

Also, while I completely understand and respect her views on this, unless she's got something going on under there which makes her unique to the females of the species, it really is kind of a silly stance for a fashion model to have.

Lastly, it took me several minutes to get past the word, "writed". That really bothered me more than the substance of the entire article or issue at hand.
Apr 25 12 10:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,112
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


CBAPhoto wrote:
There's a bunch of people here saying that they violated her "written" contract, yet there's nothing shown in the article in terms of the specific contract where it says they couldn't PS the sheer fabric. The cover of the mag is shown, not the contract. Anyone else notice this?

Also, while I completely understand and respect her views on this, unless she's got something going on under there which makes her unique to the females of the species, it really is kind of a silly stance for a fashion model to have.

Lastly, it took me several minutes to get past the word, "writed". That really bothered me more than the substance of the entire article or issue at hand.

there's nothing proving that you are not some kid or some bot posting dumb sophistry on the net, but we act on the assumption you are human. That's the whole point: it's not a court room and MM is not a case management system.  Every story begins with the assumption that facts entered are true.  We have to go on that, else there's nothing to talk about. 

So bringing up the fact that we have not seen the contract (or any other evidence) is pretty useless. I notice when useless posts show up. anyone else notice it?

Also, your understanding of her views has been noted. I'm sure everyone will sleep better tonight.

Lastly, I'm glad you shared the fact that a particular spelling issue disturbed you. I can only hug you and whisper "their they're there" and hope it is of some comfort.

Apr 26 12 04:26 am  Link  Quote 
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A-M-P
Posts: 16,390
Orlando, Florida, US


Fifi wrote:
I understand that. I know tons of llamas who don't shoot nudes for that reason, and I applaud them for that. But, to have a non-nude stance when you have shot nudes before, that's what I don't understand

I agree that breaching a contract is an incredibly shitty thing to do.

Where are her nudes that she shot before? The shot you posted is a thong body suit

Apr 26 12 04:31 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Malin_
Posts: 3,900
New York, New York, US


I wish I had her problems.
Apr 26 12 04:47 am  Link  Quote 
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S de Varax
Posts: 7,244
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I like that cover
Apr 26 12 04:56 am  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
boy does makeup
Posts: 206
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I know one thing for sure... I probably wouldn't have even seen the cover for BRAZILIAN Elle, if not for this whole debacle.

I've made my opinions known at some length in another thread... but I will say this: Her policy is her right, period. If Brazilian Elle did in fact violate her written contracts, they are extreme bastards to the Nth degree.

-Jarret
Apr 26 12 04:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 22,727
Dearborn, Michigan, US


If she annoys them too much she may not get future work.  She was not nude on the cover.
Apr 26 12 04:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Stay Puft
Posts: 2,413
Ofu, Manu'a, American Samoa


My thoughts are that beautiful women who refuse to pose nude are as evil as those who steal a Van Gogh from a museum. How dare they be so selfish as to take beauty from the world and try to keep it for themselves?

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/35536 … ro-museum/
Apr 26 12 05:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 22,727
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Garry k wrote:
Coco Rocha's Anti Nude Stance and Calling out Elle Brazil for photochopping away her clothes on their cover


http://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/fashion/new … zil-cover/


Thoughts on this ?

I noticed your avatar.   smile

Apr 26 12 05:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,224
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


In her blog post it says verbal and written opposition to doing what they did.

My question is why are they so insistent on doing this with Coco when they could have done this with someone else who would do it, even nude under the dress?

I like the cover, always like Coco, yet violating someone's conditions is not right.
Apr 26 12 05:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Farenell Photography
Posts: 16,597
Albany, New York, US


Fifi wrote:
No, I understand the contract part. I am just trying to wrap my head around her anti-nudity stance.

Why does it matter what the terms were for other publications?

She didn't have those agreed upon terms w/ them.

Apr 26 12 05:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Fifi
Posts: 58,086
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Farenell Photography wrote:

Why does it matter what the terms were for other publications?

She didn't have those agreed upon terms w/ them.

Did you read all of my posts? I stated that what the magazine did was shitty. I was trying to understand her stance in general. Reading all the posts in a thread is a good thing.

Apr 26 12 05:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,518
Eureka, California, US


I don't believe that there was anything in her contract about photoshopping out the appearance of the garment in question. If it were, why would she need to make "verbal and written directions to the team." Plus, what are such requests/demands worth to members of the team? It's their boss that they would defer to.

As for taking what she says in public media at face value... what turnip truck is missing its cargo?
Apr 26 12 05:23 am  Link  Quote 
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Fifi
Posts: 58,086
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


A-M-P wrote:

Where are her nudes that she shot before? The shot you posted is a thong body suit

It shows a hell of a lot more than the cover has, and people who don't know better would assume that she's not wearing bottoms at all. I find it funny that she's irate about what they show on this cover (I understand being pissed about the contract) and saying she has a stance on no nudity, when she's done pictures like this. I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to be pissed over the breach of contract. It's all just funny to me.

Apr 26 12 05:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Cherrystone
Posts: 32,484
Columbus, Ohio, US


Jerry Nemeth wrote:

I noticed your avatar.   smile

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Touche' Jerry.

Apr 26 12 05:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Art of the nude
Posts: 11,139
Olivet, Michigan, US


Garry k wrote:
Coco Rocha's Anti Nude Stance and Calling out Elle Brazil for photochopping away her clothes on their cover


http://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/fashion/new … zil-cover/


Thoughts on this ?
Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I noticed your avatar.   smile

Garry shot with Coco Rocha?  I never heard that . . . . .

Apr 26 12 05:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 22,727
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Art of the nude wrote:

Garry k wrote:
Coco Rocha's Anti Nude Stance and Calling out Elle Brazil for photochopping away her clothes on their cover


http://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/fashion/new … zil-cover/


Thoughts on this ?

Garry shot with Coco Rocha?  I never heard that . . . . .

Before she became famous!  I've known that for awhile.

Apr 26 12 05:52 am  Link  Quote 
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AJScalzitti
Posts: 9,522
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Jerry Nemeth wrote:

Before she became famous!  I've known that for awhile.

Let not go down that road again...

Apr 26 12 06:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 22,727
Dearborn, Michigan, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Let not go down that road again...

?  No one is going down whatever road you are talking about.

Apr 26 12 06:13 am  Link  Quote 
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Eros Studios
Posts: 673
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Save your drama for you Moma!
Apr 26 12 06:15 am  Link  Quote 
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Greg Easton Photography
Posts: 1,082
Providence, Rhode Island, US


Sounds to me like "Coco Rocha" is trying for some name recognition under the "Squeaky wheel" rule.

WAAAAAAAA!
Apr 26 12 06:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 22,727
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Greg Easton Photography wrote:
Sounds to me like "Coco Rocha" is trying for some name recognition under the "Squeaky wheel" rule.

WAAAAAAAA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_Rocha

Apr 26 12 07:35 am  Link  Quote 
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Greg Easton Photography
Posts: 1,082
Providence, Rhode Island, US


There's a GIGANTIC difference between the industry knowing who somebody is and Joe Six Pack knowing who somebody is.

Apr 26 12 07:38 am  Link  Quote 
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