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Robert Sawin
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because they are growing and distributing organic, unprocessed, non GMO produce dairy and meat. 

yet big companies can produce franken foods to us with out being touched buy the government. 

I find this disturbing. 

This list, though not complete, shows many of the incidents that have occurred in the past 7-10 years.

Aggressive and forceful raids against America's small farms, farmers, co-ops and private buying clubs by state and federal regulatory agencies, updated as new information becomes available.

Spring 2004 - Organic Pastures - California
Without notice, the FDA in association with state agencies visited Organic Pastures Dairy Company (OPDC) and carried out a multi-day investigation. The initial authority provided at arrival was suggested that the FDA was visiting to look at cheese production. On the second day of the inspection/ investigation an FDA investigator (Special Agent Jennifer King) was found secretly and illegally rapidly taking pictures of customer files of PET food sales and colostrum sales. OPDC demanded that the FDA leave and return the next day so that OPDC attorneys could respond to the illegal and unauthorized taking of customer data and file information. The FDA was found illegally operating outside of its jurisdiction, they were very embarrassed and did not return for five years.

March 6, 2006 - Gary Oaks - Ohio
Gary Oaks was stopped in a Cincinnati parking lot while passing out milk to a dozen shareholders, ordered into cars of plain-clothes agents from Ohio Department of Agriculture (accompanied by Cincinnati Police cruisers) and questioned so intensively, he collapses and is rushed to a hospital. He is released shortly after, and hospitalized three more times during the upcoming six months with symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder. His shareholders pitch in to milk the cows and deliver milk so as to keep the farm running. Later in the year, he pays a $500 fine to settle the case. Full Report

October 13, 2006 - Richard Hebron - Michigan
Richard Hebron is stopped on Interstate 94 in Michigan, on his way to deliver milk to several hundred shareholders in Ann Arbor. A Michigan State Police cruiser signals his pickup truck over, and orders Richard to get out and put his hands on the hood. The trooper pats him down, and directs him to drive a mile up the road, to a rest area, where four or five Michigan Department of Agriculture agents show a search warrant take his cell phone, and begin off-loading some of the 453 gallons of fresh raw milk he carried in coolers, along with kefir and butter made from raw milk, some $7,000 worth of product-and his wallet and cell phone. After a six-month investigation, a county prosecutor decides against criminal charges, and Richard settles for a $1,000 "administrative" fine. Full Report

August 2006 - Amos Miller - Pennsylvania
Amos Miller Food was red tagged and embargoed. Aajonus Vonderplanitz ghost writes motion to quash. Judge throws the case out of court and quashes the complaint against Ammos Miller. Miller continues supplying food.

February-October 2007 - Greg Niewendorp - Michigan
February: Greg Niewendorp sends legal notice to Michigan Department of Agriculture (MDA), alienating his property and notifying of non-compliance in the state's unlawful, dangerous experimental TB cattle testing and eradication program. MDA quarantine's his farm.
August 21: Two state police trespass on Niewendorp's property - with a state vet in wait around the corner - to coerce him into testing. Niewendorp escorts them off the property
October 7: The state vet, enforcement agents, and representatives of the MDA, warrant in hand, with police and SWAT teams standing by down the road, trespass on Niewendorp's farm, forcing his cattle to be used for the state's experimental program and RFID ear-tagged for the National Animal Identification System.

April 2007-2008 - Mark Nolt - Pennsylvania
April 2007: Pennsylvania Mennonite dairyman Mark Nolt chooses to not renew his state "permit" to sell fresh milk on his farm, citing his God-given inalienable rights.
August 2007: Nolt's property is raided by federal and state agents; $25,000 worth of milk, milk products and dairy equipment are taken. Following the raid, Mark's customers and supporters organize a rally to support him, drawing media attention, including a detailed editorial in Lancaster Farming,
April 2008: Nolt is raided again, more equipment and property are taken along with milk and milk products, Nolt - father of nine - is charged and taken away by police.
2007 - Organic Pastures Dairy Company - California
The FDA launched a secret sting operation focused on stopping interstate sales of OPDC raw dairy pet food sales. Two undercover FDA investigators posed as OPDC customers and ordered OPDC products from Reno Nevada and Seattle. The order conversations were taped and used as criminal evidence of violation of CFR 1240.61. Then FDA uncover agents then went to the private homes of the two OPDC employees after hours and attempted to get those employees to wear a secret wire. The agents told the young female employees that they would be financially compensated if they wore the wires in an effort to catch Mark McAfee in criminal activity. The employees refused and instead immediately went public and told the media about what the FDA was trying to do. FDA was highly embarrassed and dropped all pending subpoenas and eventually dropped all charges.

Dec. 2008 - Barb and Steve Smith - New York
December 2008 - Stowers Family - Ohio
Stowers family home raided by SWAT team. SWAT team holds the Katie and her children, at gunpoint for more than half a day - all while her husband Chad is serving in Iraq. Here are specifics:
http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/manna-learn.html
http://www.thecompletepatient.com/journ … al-wa.html
The Stowers filed suit against Ohio officials, and the case has bogged down.

May 1, 2009 - May 2010 - Max Kane - Wisconsin
http://www.thecompletepatient.com/journ … nt-ri.html
May 1, 2009: Max Kane served subpoena by Department of Justice to appear and produce records, papers and documents on June 18, 2010 at Vernon County courthouse.
December 21, 2009: Kane's Court date in Viroqua, WI. Judge gave an oral ruling for Max to comply with the subpoena and denied Max's motion to strike, setting Max up for a charge of “Contempt” in the event he refuses to comply.
Febuary 26 , 2010: Kane files a notice of appeal
March 18, 2010: Kane's date for deposition with DATCP to obtain all his records of customers, financials, etc. Just before deposition is to start, Max walks across hallway to clerk, and files with the court a motion for relief pending appeal. Then Max walks back across hallway and serves WI Assistant Attorney General Phil Ferris and DATCP Legal Counsel Cheryl Daniels with a motion for relief pending appeal. Max walks out of building just before the time of the scheduled deposition was to start. Max leaves before he could be disposed.
April 19, 2010: Kane's court hearing date in Viroqua. Counsel Rich argues. Judge Rosborough rules on motion for relief pending appeal and stops DATCP from further enforcement of Kane's case until his appeal process is completed. Judge Roseborough suspend his previously signed order signed January 26, 2010 www.rawmilkparty.com

April 8 and April 15, 2009 - Bechards - Missouri
In Missouri the law is that you can sell raw milk on the farm and deliver it without a permit. The daughters of Conway, Missouri farmers, Armand and Teddi Bechard, allegedly sold raw milk to undercover agents from the Springfield-Greene County Health Department in the parking lot of Mama Jeans Natural Food Market in Springfield, Missouri. The city of Springfield filed criminal charges against Armand for operating without a food establishment permit; Springfield Municipal Court found Armand Bechard guilty and fined him $250. Armand appealed the decision to the Greene County Circuit Court and the judge threw out the case, ruling that Bechard was not the proper subject of the lawsuit; any suit should have been filed against his daughters. While the City of Springfield was bringing criminal charges, the State of Missouri petitioned the Greene County Circuit Court for an injunction against Armand and Teddi Bechard to limit their delivery of raw milk to the home of customers; the Bechards had been delivering raw milk to a central distribution point which is more convenient for both the Bechards and their customers. The trial has not been held yet on the state's petition.

October 15, 2009 - Eric Wagoner - Georgia
Officials from the Georgia Department of Agriculture (GDA) searched a truck carrying 110 gallons of raw milk for members of the cooperative, Athens Locally Grown. GDA embargoed the raw milk and ordered the owner of the truck, Eric Wagoner, not to remove it. The milk had been picked up that day from a farm in South Carolina that was licensed to sell raw milk and then brought back into Georgia. On October 19 at the order of GDA (and probably FDA), members of the coop dumped the 110 gallons of raw milk while two officials from GDA and one official from FDA watched. The FDA official told Eric Wagoner that it would even be illegal for an individual consumer to go across state lines to pick up raw milk and then bring it back to their home state. Full Report

February-April 2010 - Dan Allgyer - Pennsylvania
February 2010: Dan Allgyer visited by FDA agents, armed federal marshals and state troopers. He demanded they leave his property since they had no right to be there and no warrant.
April 20, 2010, Pennsylvania - 5:00 AM in the morning: FDA agents, armed federal marshals and state trooper returned to the Allgyer farm with a search warrant. They "investigated" the farm, threatened the farmer and disturbed the family's breakfast because they "suspected" that the farm had too many cows to be providing milk for only the family. They pursued a visitor to the farm a he left the property and followed the visitor for miles through Pennsylvania and into Maryland until the driver called the state troopers for being harassed. FDA agents requested to inspect the vehicle of the visitor, which was empty. Full Report

May-June 2010 - Vernon Hershberger - Wisconsin
Vernon Hershberger's Wisconsin farm store is raided three times by agents from the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade and Consumer Protection, escorted by sheriff's deputies. After the first raid in late May, Vernon cuts the DATCP tape on his coolers, and opens to serve his buying club members. In a subsequent raid, agents confiscate his computer. But as of now, no charges have been filed against Hershberger, and he continues in business. Full Report

May-June 2010 - Hartmann's - Minnesota
The Minnesota Department of Agriculture (along with the Minnesota Department Health in May) executed criminal search warrants at the farm of Mike and Diana Hartmann in Gibbon, Minnesota, embargoing thousands of dollars of meat and raw dairy products. The state suspected raw milk from the Hartmann farm was responsible for making people sick with E. coli O157:H7. In June MDA filed a petition with the circuit court in Hartmann's county seeking destruction of the embargoed food. The Hartmanns responded to the petition by filing a counterclaim asking that the embargo be lifted. A trial was held on the matter for ten days during the summer of 2010. In December the judge hearing the case granted the department's petition to have the embargoed food destroyed. In January MDA officials went to the farm and found that most of the embargoed food was gone. Shortly after, MDA filed a petition with the same court to find Mike Hartmann in contempt for violating the embargo. MDA had given Hartmann written permission in June to remove any of the embargoed food for family use. In addition to the contempt petition, MDA has also initiated an administrative proceeding that could ultimately wind up with criminal charges being filed against Mike Hartmann.

June 2010 - Rawsome Buying Club - California
FBI, and other agencies, conduct a heavily armed raid of a private buying club. Watch here The raiders confiscated a significant amount of personal property. Full Report

June 2010 - Rae Lynn Sandvig - Minnesota
Rae Lynn Sandvig, a consumer, wife and mother has her home raided by seven police, MDA investigators with criminal search warrant. Officials were looking for proof that she was "distributing" milk, meat and other foods. Officials threatened Sandvig's neighbors with subpoenas if they did not cooperate with the "investigation." Full Report

June 2010 - Sharon Palmer - California
(2 other times separate)

August 30, 2010 - Morningland Dairy - Missouri
FDA issues a damning press release claiming "Morningland Dairy of Mountain View, Missouri, is recalling 68,957 pounds of cheese because it may be contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes and also has the potential to be contaminated with Staphylococcus aureus." Their evidence is ambiguous at best but the resulting loss of revenue has seriously jeopardized the continuing operation of a family small-scale, cheese maker. Full Report

March 9, 2011 - Alvin Schlanger - Minnesota
Alvin Schlanger is picked up by St. Paul police and his truck is confiscated and towed by MDA, at food dropoff point. Full Report

August 6, 2011 - Rawsome Food Club - Venice, CA
For the second time in a year, Rawesome Foods in Venice, California (a private, members only, food co-op) was raided. Owner James Stewart was taken in handcuffs and held on a felony offense. 2 others (Sharon Palmer and Victoria Blcoh) were arrested, all on criminal conspiracy charges stemming from "the alleged illegal production and sale of unpasteurized goat milk, goat cheese and other products.” The raid shut the food club down, taking all the food, computers, money and dumping all the raw milk down the sink. The government put them out of business and took the business away from all the farmers supporting these consumers.

http://farmfoodfreedom.org/listofraids.htm
Apr 27 12 10:20 am  Link  Quote 
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KGSF
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Monsanto.

/thread
Apr 27 12 10:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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KGSF wrote:
Monsanto.

/thread

monsanto is tame compared to this.

Apr 27 12 10:37 am  Link  Quote 
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KGSF
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Robert Sawin wrote:
monsanto is tame compared to this.

You misunderstand me.

Just about every single event you listed has at its root, a long term project by Monsanto to make every relevant regulatory arm of the Federal Government an armed branch of Monsanto, molding the playing field in advance so that Monsanto will eventually control every aspect of food production in every country in the world.

It is quite complex, very insidious, and frankly, Monsanto makes all the big energy corps combined look like disciples of Gandhi and King.

The oil companies are at least providing the world with something the world actually needs for now.

Monsanto seeks to (literally and in a legal sense) own all the methods that food can be created, and take a cut of profit from every calorie all humans consume.

Very sadly, in this area, the Obama administration is as or more corrupt than any previous administration, in so far as allowing Monsanto's power to continue to grow.

A large number of books have been written exposing all of this.

Apr 27 12 10:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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KGSF wrote:
You misunderstand me.

Just about every single event you listed has at its root, a long term project by Monsanto to make every relevant regulatory arm of the Federal Government an armed branch of Monsanto, molding the playing field in advance so that Monsanto will eventually control every aspect of food production in every country in the world.

It is quite complex, very insidious, and frankly, Monsanto makes all the big energy corps combined look like disciples of Gandhi and King.

The oil companies are at least providing the world with something the world actually needs for now.

Monsanto seeks to (literally and in a legal sense) own all the methods that food can be created, and take a cut of profit from every calorie all humans consume.

Very sadly, in this area, the Obama administration is as or more corrupt than any previous administration, in so far as allowing Monsanto's power to continue to grow.

A large number of books have been written exposing all of this.

this whole thing just makes me sad.  I don't even know what we can do.  our government does not listen to us.  our elections are rigged.  how are we going to continue to be a country of "we the people."  I have emailed senators before and all they tell me is you don't know what the hell you are talking about and tell me to eff off and they just go on doing there thing.  Its beyond bad.  we are a police state and I am at a loss as to what we are going to do.

The Massachusetts State Police closed a 12-year-old boy's green tea stand because he didn't secure the requisite permits.  Coralville, Iowa conducted a veritable raid on unsanctioned lemonade stands.  Police in Midway, Georgia closed a lemonade stand because the three girls who operated it failed to obtain licenses and permits that cost $50 a day.  A similar instance occurred in Appleton, Wisconsin.  Villa Rica, Georgia police sent a Girl Scout troop home because the Scouts didn't have a peddler's permit to hawk their cookies.  In New York, a city councilman summoned police to an unauthorized cupcake shop.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/ … z1tGXaCqZD

Apr 27 12 11:11 am  Link  Quote 
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OMG the government is trying to keep our food supply safe! The horror!

Organic ≠ "safe"
Apr 27 12 12:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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Instinct Images wrote:
OMG the government is trying to keep our food supply safe! The horror!

Organic ≠ "safe"

your definition of safe and the governments definition of safe is not the same.  there safe is they want money and big corporations can give them that to go take these little guys out.  not to mention all the crap they put in our food supply like bleach, GMOs, pestides and so on.

Apr 27 12 01:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jay Dezelic
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It is actually a little easier these days to sell local foods here in Seattle since the city has taken initiatives to promote local farmers.  No permit is required to sell farm produce in the city of Seattle.  Not even a business license is required.  They are actually encouraging people to grow and sell vegetables and fruit from their own yards.

Local farmers markets have been an up and coming thing in many cities around the US as an alternative to the world food conveyor system.  Hopefully the trend will continue. However, I am sure that the small percentage of food delivered this way only serves to diminish the monopolistic argument against companies like Monsanto.

I work with a lot of farmers and have heard many stories about heavy handed federal and state regulators who seem to be hell-bent on shutting down small farms.  Fortunately, I live in an area that is geographically undesirable for large scale factory farming operations.
Apr 27 12 01:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jay Dezelic wrote:
It is actually a little easier these days to sell local foods here in Seattle since the city has taken initiatives to promote local farmers.  No permit is required to sell farm produce in the city of Seattle.  Not even a business license is required.  They are actually encouraging people to grow and sell vegetables and fruit from their own yards.

But how are they on Lemonade Stands? We live in an age where all food has to have a Provinence or it is unfit for human consumption. Kids want a lemonade stand, need a business license and govt inspection along with nutritional information. Want to feed the homeless? Better not try it from the kitchen you feed your family from as you need a license and inspections along with permits. There is nothing too small for the government to regulate after all they have to keep us safe. Wonder who is supposed to protect us from the regulators.

Apr 27 12 01:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Helm wrote:
Wonder who is supposed to protect us from the regulators.

Ourselves.  We need to know our rights and exercise them.  We need to know what politicians at the state and federal levels support this heavy handed BS and hold them to account.

Apr 27 12 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Helm wrote:

But how are they on Lemonade Stands? We live in an age where all food has to have a Provinence or it is unfit for human consumption. Kids want a lemonade stand, need a business license and govt inspection along with nutritional information. Want to feed the homeless? Better not try it from the kitchen you feed your family from as you need a license and inspections along with permits. There is nothing too small for the government to regulate after all they have to keep us safe. Wonder who is supposed to protect us from the regulators.

Food safety regulations make good sense as people are generally more fragile today than ever because of poor eating habits.  However, many of the regulations (and fees) I encounter in running my farmers market projects do little to ensure public safety. 

Here in Seattle, we have foods that are exempt from regulation.  Coffee, baked breads, farm produce, and a number of other things are deemed to be low hazard foods and therefore can be sold without permits or inspections.  However, it gets real expensive to comply with the regulations for foods they consider medium to high hazard (things that can grow hazardous bacteria if handled improperly).  It is bad enough to work with local food safety bureaucrats (which I think is relatively tolerable). But state and federal regulations are getting so restrictive, it is unnecessarily driving out many small businesses and pushing up food costs.

The public wants safe food.  The government is using this mandate to build excessive bureaucracies to solve a problem that largely does not exist.  People have been eating food for millions of years.  There is a certain amount of common sense required to handle foods. Some regulation is necessary to make sure food handlers are educated enough to keep people from getting sick.  But it is currently way out of proportion.

Apr 27 12 02:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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SillyEddy
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I've tasted American cheese... It tasted more like rubber.


I think they definitely need sorting out!
Apr 27 12 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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Jay Dezelic wrote:

Food safety regulations make good sense as people are generally more fragile today than ever because of poor eating habits.  However, many of the regulations (and fees) I encounter in running my farmers market projects do little to ensure public safety. 

Here in Seattle, we have foods that are exempt from regulation.  Coffee, baked breads, farm produce, and a number of other things are deemed to be low hazard foods and therefore can be sold without permits or inspections.  However, it gets real expensive to comply with the regulations for foods they consider medium to high hazard (things that can grow hazardous bacteria if handled improperly).  It is bad enough to work with local food safety bureaucrats (which I think is relatively tolerable). But state and federal regulations are getting so restrictive, it is unnecessarily driving out many small businesses and pushing up food costs.

The public wants safe food.  The government is using this mandate to build excessive bureaucracies to solve a problem that largely does not exist.  People have been eating food for millions of years.  There is a certain amount of common sense required to handle foods. Some regulation is necessary to make sure food handlers are educated enough to keep people from getting sick.  But it is currently way out of proportion.

a lot of poor eating habits have to do with government subsidizing foods that arn't good for us to begin with or at least they treat it like some kinda staple.  like corn. 

the true way to health is for people to start choosing whole organic foods.  and the government interferes with consumers right to choose what they want to buy and where they want to buy it.

Apr 27 12 02:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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SillyEddy wrote:
I've tasted American cheese... It tasted more like rubber.


I think they definitely need sorting out!

there is different kinds.  good American cheese tast good

Apr 27 12 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffs Photography
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Robert Sawin wrote:
this whole thing just makes me sad.  I don't even know what we can do.  our government does not listen to us.

Maybe these inspections were because they did listen to somebody. I did not read each link, but the reference to Max Kane did catch my eye. He is/was a local milk producer. There were several complaints about him.

The sky isn't falling.

Apr 27 12 02:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Visual Serotonin
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As much as "patents" was a way for Monsanto to ransom and put out of business anyone else without any benefit to the consumer (shitty food) or even the agricultural process, this is another way to do it.
Apr 27 12 05:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Enrapture Photography wrote:

Maybe these inspections were because they did listen to somebody. I did not read each link, but the reference to Max Kane did catch my eye. He is/was a local milk producer. There were several complaints about him.

The sky isn't falling.

me thinks the complants are coming from big corporations.

Apr 27 12 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin wrote:
me thinks the complants are coming from big corporations.

That may be true in some cases, but who are the big corporations that peddle raw milk? You need to get out of your bunker more often.

Apr 27 12 06:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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Enrapture Photography wrote:

That may be true in some cases, but who are the big corporations that peddle raw milk? You need to get out of your bunker more often.

the milk and cow industry is huge.  they have maga cattle farms.

Apr 27 12 06:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jay Dezelic
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Robert Sawin wrote:
a lot of poor eating habits have to do with government subsidizing foods that arn't good for us to begin with or at least they treat it like some kinda staple.  like corn. 

the true way to health is for people to start choosing whole organic foods.  and the government interferes with consumers right to choose what they want to buy and where they want to buy it.

Interesting theory.  What evidence have you run across that supports this?.  I thought corn subsidies were for fuel production?  I like to blame our bloated bureaucracy for a lot of things, but I am not currently aware of enough evidence that supports the idea that the government is directly promoting unhealthy food.

I can see where high taxation and policies that stunt private sector employment can cause people to choose cheap and unhealthy foods. However, people tend to be choosing artificial flavor-enhance crap foods because they think they taste better than healthy foods. Private sector branded food marketing strategies seem to be the leading cause of junk-food-mania.

Michelle Obama recognizes that fat and unhealthy people are the primary result of a root cause which has contributed greatly to our economic problems in the US.  They require an immense amount of health care services and are generally less productive than healthy people.

I guess, in a way, the government IS encouraging poor eating habits through anti-discrimination based insurance regulations and now Obamacare because they have eliminated the consequences of trashing one's body.  I remember when it used to cost less to buy insure for healthy people.

Apr 27 12 07:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin wrote:
the milk and cow industry is huge.  they have maga cattle farms.

I'm well aware of the size of the dairy industry, but that was not my question. What dairy corporation sells raw milk?

Apr 27 12 07:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images
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Robert Sawin wrote:

your definition of safe and the governments definition of safe is not the same.  there safe is they want money and big corporations can give them that to go take these little guys out.  not to mention all the crap they put in our food supply like bleach, GMOs, pestides and so on.

When it comes to dairy, the government wants to prevent the outbreak of deadly diseases. That means certain raw products can't be sold yet some organic farms insist on selling them.

As I said, the government wants to keep the food supply safe.

Obviously you think your government is out to get you.

Apr 27 12 08:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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Enrapture Photography wrote:

I'm well aware of the size of the dairy industry, but that was not my question. What dairy corporation sells raw milk?

same corporations that grow the cows.

Apr 27 12 08:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
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Robert Sawin wrote:
same corporations that grow the cows.

This is pure crap!  Robert, are you familiar with brucellocis? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brucellosis
This is the main reason, and other diseases like it, we pasteurize our milk.  Drinking unpasteurized milk is a crapshoot, and is why the government prefers milk be pasteurized.  Trader Joes is the only place I've ever seen unpasteurized milk for purchase. 

So, I too an curious.  What dairy corporation sends out unpasteurized milk?

Apr 27 12 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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Jay Dezelic wrote:

Interesting theory.  What evidence have you run across that supports this?.  I thought corn subsidies were for fuel production?  I like to blame our bloated bureaucracy for a lot of things, but I am not currently aware of enough evidence that supports the idea that the government is directly promoting unhealthy food.

I can see where high taxation and policies that stunt private sector employment can cause people to choose cheap and unhealthy foods. However, people tend to be choosing artificial flavor-enhance crap foods because they think they taste better than healthy foods. Private sector branded food marketing strategies seem to be the leading cause of junk-food-mania.

Michelle Obama recognizes that fat and unhealthy people are the primary result of a root cause which has contributed greatly to our economic problems in the US.  They require an immense amount of health care services and are generally less productive than healthy people.

I guess, in a way, the government IS encouraging poor eating habits through anti-discrimination based insurance regulations and now Obamacare because they have eliminated the consequences of trashing one's body.  I remember when it used to cost less to buy insure for healthy people.

food inc is a good place to start
http://www.takepart.com/foodinc/film

farmageddon is another movie to watch but more has to do with farm raids
http://farmageddonmovie.com/

Apr 27 12 08:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images wrote:
When it comes to dairy, the government wants to prevent the outbreak of deadly diseases. That means certain raw products can't be sold yet some organic farms insist on selling them.

As I said, the government wants to keep the food supply safe.

Obviously you think your government is out to get you.

Absolutely correct.

Apr 27 12 08:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robert Sawin
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Carlos Occidental wrote:

This is pure crap!  Robert, are you familiar with brucellocis? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brucellosis
This is the main reason, and other diseases like it, we pasteurize our milk.  Drinking unpasteurized milk is a crapshoot, and is why the government prefers milk be pasteurized.  Trader Joes is the only place I've ever seen unpasteurized milk for purchase. 

So, I too an curious.  What dairy corporation sends out unpasteurized milk?

who said corporations sending out unpasteurized milk.  I was talking about milk in general.

Apr 27 12 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
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Enrapture Photography wrote:
I'm well aware of the size of the dairy industry, but that was not my question. What dairy corporation sells raw milk?
Robert Sawin wrote:
same corporations that grow the cows.
Robert Sawin wrote:
who said corporations sending out unpasteurized milk.  I was talking about milk in general.

ROBERT!!!   You do realize raw milk is unpasteurized milk, right?  That's all it means.

Apr 27 12 08:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images wrote:

When it comes to dairy, the government wants to prevent the outbreak of deadly diseases. That means certain raw products can't be sold yet some organic farms insist on selling them.

As I said, the government wants to keep the food supply safe.

Obviously you think your government is out to get you.

Why is American Milk Banned in Europe?

American dairy milk is genetically-modified unless it’s labeled “NO rBGH”
Genetically-engineered bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in milk increases cancer risks.
American dairy farmers inject rBGH to dairy cows to increase milk production.

European nations and Canada have banned rBGH to protect citizens from IGF-1 hazards.

Monsanto Co., the manufacturer of rBGH, has influenced U. S. product safety laws permitting the sale of unlabeled rBGH milk. (Monsanto would lose billions of dollars if rBGH were banned in America.)

Q. Is there any milk not contaminated with rBGH and IGF-1?
A. Yes. Milk that is clearly labeled “NO rBGH” is free of rBGH and does not contain excess levels of IGF-1.

Q. What about cheeses?
A. American-made cheeses are contaminated with rBGH and excess levels of IGF-1 unless they’re labeled “NO rBGH”. Imported European cheeses are safe since Europe has banned rBGH.

http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/milk.htm

On May 16th, Representative Ron Paul asked,

"If we are not even free anymore to decide something as basic as what we wish to eat or drink, how much freedom do we really have left?"

Paul was talking about the FDA ban on the interstate sale of raw milk for human consumption — milk that has not been pasteurized. The ban began in 1987, but the FDA didn't really begin enforcing it seriously until 2006 -- when the government began sting operations and armed raids of dairy farmers and their willing customers.

The New American reports:

"Even if the FDA were correct in its assertions about the dangers of raw milk, its prohibition on interstate raw milk sales would still be, as Paul termed it, 'an unconstitutional misapplication of the commerce clause for legislative ends' ...

Saying he is 'outraged' by the FDA's raids on peaceful dairy farmers and their customers, Paul has introduced legislation ... 'to allow the shipment and distribution of unpasteurized milk and milk products for human consumption across state lines,' in effect reversing the FDA's unconstitutional ban on such sales."

The "Food Safety Modernization Act" that was enacted earlier this year gives the FDA almost unlimited authority to decide if food is harmful, even without credible evidence. But farmers who have been persecuted by the FDA for selling raw milk, like Amish Farmer Dan Allgyer, are not backing down. Allgyer's case is going to court.

Citizens are irate that the FDA allows damaging junk food, but prevents people from making an educated, informed food choice in purchasing raw grass-fed milk.

According to the Washington Times, Attorney Jonathan Emord, who has defeated the FDA in court eight times, is focusing on the deeper issues that this case stems from. Emord says:

"We would not be here today were it not for the fact that over the past seventy-five years, the Congress of the United States has delegated away to some 230 independent regulatory commissions the power to make law, the power to execute the law, and the power to judge law violation. That delegation of governing power from Congress to the unelected heads of the regulatory agencies violates the Constitution, which vests exclusively in Congress the obligation to make law".

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic … olice.aspx


which brings me to my next point Corn fed cattle has a higher risk of developing disease then grass fed cattle.  in fact grass fed cattle actually are healthier all around.


Cattle's diet also significantly alters the fatty acid composition of their meat.  Cattle fed primarily grass have 60 percent more omega-3 fatty acids and a more favorable omega-6 to omega-3 ratio.  Omega-3 fatty acids reduce inflammation and help prevent heart disease and arthritis.  Omega-6 promotes inflammation, blood clotting and tumor growth.  Because the two substances work together to promote good health, it is important to maintain a proper balance of omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids.  The essential fatty acids are also highly concentrated in the brain and appear to be particularly important for cognitive and behavioral function.

Raising cattle on grass boosts the beef's level of a conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), a lesser-known but important group of polyunsaturated fatty acids found in beef, lamb and dairy products.  Over the past two decades, numerous health benefits have been attributed to CLA in animals, including a reduction in cancer, heart disease, onset of diabetes and accumulation of body fat.  To achieve these benefits, the average person should consume about 5 grams of CLA per day.  A 3.5-ounce serving of grass-fed beef provides 1.23 grams of CLA, 25 percent of the daily requirement.  The same amount of conventional beef provides less than 10 percent of the daily requirement.
http://www.luciesfarm.com/artman/publish/article_85.php

the funny thing about human history is that organic milk has been used sense the dawn of time.  Its not often you hear of a death of some person who drank organic milk from a cow raised on a farm that was relatively clean and good living conditions.

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Carlos Occidental wrote:

Enrapture Photography wrote:
I'm well aware of the size of the dairy industry, but that was not my question. What dairy corporation sells raw milk?
Robert Sawin wrote:
same corporations that grow the cows.

ROBERT!!!   You do realize raw milk is unpasteurized milk, right?  That's all it means.

So people drink it and they seem to do just fine.

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