Mini_ wrote: Well. The reason you trade with someone, is foremost because you saw their portfolio and on that basis, you decided to trust their vision. That means, you trade with them because of the entire package. From the way they light, to the way they select what best represents what they had in mind. And that is the endproduct that you get.
At first I had a hard time learning to understand that too, I didn't feel really comfortable giving the selection out of hands. But lately, through keeping the above in mind, I know this simply is the best way - if you know how to choose your photographers. (emphasis on last part)
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I totally agree with Mini_
I understand that t the very beginning is something difficult to deal with, but later you'll see it's the best way to go.
Darren Brade
Posts: 1,568
London, England, United Kingdom
Jason Bassett wrote:
You would hate shooting with me. You may only get 1-7 edits tops. No matter how long the shoot was. But, I would have discussed this before hand.
I am not interested in your favorite photograph. Before someone thinks that is harsh... a model comes to me for TF based on my style and the way I select my photographs. You have to trust. Maybe he wasn't the right photographer for you, and you made the mistake.
I make sure, through my experience, to select only the greatest images for both of us. (And again, this post for is testing and/or "trade")
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Not harsh, similarly, I agree to work with models due to their look and ability to model.
Anna Adrielle
Posts: 17,059
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
RKD Photographic wrote:
Not always - sometimes the outfits the model has with her aren't suitable for the look you'd envisaged, but you might be cajoled into trying them anyway ("oh go on I bought it especially..." etc.). Nothing ventured, nothing gained etc. But on looking at the images you might feel it doesn't best represent your style and so you decide not to release it...
It might be TFP and as such should benefit the model, but it also has to represent my best efforts or there's no point.
then that can be communicated, imo. I did a trade shoot 2 weeks ago where we took about 800 pictures. Now this happens to be a photographer I know and trust, so I got to see results dring the shoot and I got to choose pictures. But let's assume I didn't.
The first 3 looks during the shoot were complete garbage, for various reasons. The first image I selected as "this is okaylooking" was number 270 or something.
that was okay, because I knew it myself. but if this was a different shoot and I sat at home thinking "oh, I can't wait for those pictures of the first 3 sets", because in my mind they look fbaulous, and I get nothing from that set, I'm disappointed. And it's only a small effort for the photographer to communicate that to me, then we're both happy...
SpaceKitty wrote: Unfortunately, alot of photographers work this way. They choose to edit what they like without giving you any choices. If its a tf shoot, tell them in the begining you want to choose your own personal favorites.
At which point I would tell you, politely, to find another photographer.
If you shoot trade with me it's because you like MY portfolio (not yours). Therefore, based on that, you should trust ME to select the best shots for retouching.
I have no time for retouching a load of half-decent shots selected by the model just because she thinks they make her ass look good (or whatever). I retouch the best shots (minimum of 3, no maximum but usually not more than 5 or 6) from the shoot and send them to her. Period.
Mask Photo wrote: Well, they're all paying gigs. you're being paid in modeling services, and it's kind of disingenuous for you to insinuate that the model's time isn't worthwhile.
That said, I always let the model choose, from a pre-edited selection. I remove all the technically flawed images, all the artistic goofs, all the funny faces (well, i leave in some smeg-ups for the lulz), and the client (i mean the model; they're really a client in this transaction anyway) picks their favorite from the edit. This is the same way I handle a paying client (because the model is paying... with his/her time).
This is what I was talking about. I don't want all the images, I just wanted to select a couple. What a model puts in her port and what a photographer outs in theirs is always different.
Darren Brade
Posts: 1,568
London, England, United Kingdom
Whitney Alexis wrote:
This is what I was talking about. I don't want all the images, I just wanted to select a couple. What a model puts in her port and what a photographer outs in theirs is always different.
My question is what made you shoot with him in the first place?
If you don't trust a photographers ability other than to push the shutter release then don't work with him. Otherwise you have to accept not all photographers will give you control over their creative process. Normally photographers choose a model based on their look and/or ability to pose, yet models often expect, after choosing to work with a photographer, to have full influence on a shoot.
I take extra frames for MY benefit to cover MY mistakes or sometimes the MODEL'S mistakes. I make this clear when showing them the preview screen on my camera, it doesn't mean those pictures will ever be seen. I rarely have trouble these days because I only work with models that trust my vision.
Whitney Alexis wrote: This is what I was talking about. I don't want all the images, I just wanted to select a couple. What a model puts in her port and what a photographer outs in theirs is always different.
Darren Brade wrote: My question is what made you shoot with him in the first place?
If you don't trust a photographers ability other than to push the shutter release then don't work with him. Otherwise you have to accept not all photographers will give you control over their creative process. Normally photographers choose a model based on their look and/or ability to pose, yet models often expect, after choosing to work with a photographer, to have full influence on a shoot.
I actually LIKE to have the model's input on the shoot. I shoot entirely TF* and I turn down (most) offers of payment because I value the "art" more than the money, and whenever the $$$ gets involved it kinda "changes" the natural chemistry and energy of the shoot.
So, I PREFER to have a TF* be a total "collaboration" between myself and the model...a "shared vision" so-to-speak. With lots of model's input before the shoot. They often have ideas as good (or better) than my own. It's ALL about that "shared" energy!
This policy has also reduced flakage to zero, because everyone shows up enthused about the "vision" that we have "created" together...and is very CLEAR about it ahead of time.
With all the pre-shoot communication, the model TRUSTS me to make that vision come alive in the shots that I choose to edit and provide. Usually between 15-20 final edited shots in a 2hr shoot. I use the "liveview" almost exclusively, and so the shots that I "show her" at the shoot as being "special/keepers", are usually the same shots that are eventually provided.
I don't usually have to do a lot of "heavy" editing before providing the final product. Usually some basic cropping and resizing for the internet. I crop to 9x12@300 ("book" size), then resize those finished shots to <800wide for internet (Mayhem/Facebook size). I provide 15-20 finished in both sizes, but most models don't even want the full "book" print sizes anymore...just the finished internet sized images.
That’s not a bad number of images to get from a test. If they suck, well that sucks but it happens.
I know things tend to work different on model mayhem than they do at the publication/agency level but as you work with better photographers you’re going to get less and less because the better the photographer the more critical they will be when picking proofs. No full time professional photographer will let you pick your favorites from the masters, and they usually won’t be more than 1 to 2 pics per look, IF THAT. Many times if a look didn’t come out as planned those pics are killed. It’s a test, that’s what you’re testing for.
And don’t sign a release for a test. A test is not a commercial shoot. When you sign a release you’re negotiating commercial rights. Releases for test shoots are NEVER signed for agency tests, it’s just asking for problems. If there is no release then there is no use rights besides non commercial promo and publicity.
When you test you’re typically trying out new things so there is a chance you will get nothing, it’s a cost of doing business. Either way you got experience out of it and that’s beneficial to any unsigned model because it gets them a little more practice and closer to possibly getting signed.
This is what I was talking about. I don't want all the images, I just wanted to select a couple. What a model puts in her port and what a photographer outs in theirs is always different.
The only time I have seen the photos be different is when the model pays the photographer.
So far most photographers on this thread disagree with your sense of entitlement to choose your own images. I have to join this group...
I shoot with a vision in mind, and the final product is going to be the best representation of my vision...which means I am going to see that vision through to the end. I am also the one spending the time in post to finalize the image for both of us. I also believe I deserve credit for my work, as do you for your part, and I want to be the one to decide how I am ultimately represented by my work. That isn't a decision the model gets to make with TF.
Finally, there is no way to determine how many good images there will be. There are too many variables. If I get 1 to 2 great images per hour of shooting, I feel it was a success. Sometimes I have to settle for less...which means the model does too.
- if it's a tf, she will receive 3 or 4 pics from the entire session.
- if she pays me, we agree on an approximate number of pics she can choose from the images I deem aesthetically acceptable from the session,
- if I pay her, she gets one pic of my choosing.
Of course, I shoot film and only black & white. All models know this going into the session and the 'rules' regarding makeup, hair, etc., are the same for everyone.
Hence, very few models see the value in working with me (in the context of building their own book, I mean). So, and I am sure others have told you this, make sure that the person you are working with is the 'right' kind of photographer for you.
And I am pretty sure you will always be happier with the pics from a session if you are paying someone and shooting a bit more on your own terms.
RKD Photographic
Posts: 2,989
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
Maria Michaela wrote: then that can be communicated, imo. I did a trade shoot 2 weeks ago where we took about 800 pictures. Now this happens to be a photographer I know and trust, so I got to see results dring the shoot and I got to choose pictures. But let's assume I didn't.
The first 3 looks during the shoot were complete garbage, for various reasons. The first image I selected as "this is okaylooking" was number 270 or something.
that was okay, because I knew it myself. but if this was a different shoot and I sat at home thinking "oh, I can't wait for those pictures of the first 3 sets", because in my mind they look fbaulous, and I get nothing from that set, I'm disappointed. And it's only a small effort for the photographer to communicate that to me, then we're both happy...
I hear you, but what if the model insists? Maybe it's her favourite new outfit or something, maybe I just don't like the images...
Since it's so subjective, I prefer not to have to explain myself... I realise some may consider this "you get what I give you and that's it" attitude grossly unfair in the case of a TFP shoot, but that's how it is... the alternative (which I briefly tried) is to supply thumbnails of the entire shoot and let the model choose - invariably they chose ones I'd never have selected in a million years...
I hate to say it, but if the model really wants full editorial control over the selection of images, they should pay the photographer - with cold hard cash...
I have no problem at all with clients dictating to me the images they want...
It's always interesting to me that how many photographers (let's face it, most of us are arrogant) seem to think a TF transaction is one sided in their favor. Actually, compensation is being exchanged. The photographer gets, if there is a signed release, the right to use the pictures, not just as the owner to enjoy them in the privacy of his or her home. The model, in lieu of cash, receives the right to use the photographs with whatever limitations the photographers who, as legal owner, has put on them. This is a business, for crying out loud. Deal with it.
RKD Photographic
Posts: 2,989
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
Jouissance Images wrote: It's always interesting to me that how many photographers (let's face it, most of us are arrogant) seem to think a TF transaction is one sided in their favor. Actually, compensation is being exchanged. The photographer gets, if there is a signed release, the right to use the pictures, not just as the owner to enjoy them in the privacy of his or her home. The model, in lieu of cash, receives the right to use the photographs with whatever limitations the photographers who, as legal owner, has put on them. This is a business, for crying out loud. Deal with it.
In many countries (i.e. the UK) the photographer gets all that even without a signed release...
I think most of us appreciate it's a trade: the model gets images for her port; the photographer gets images for his port (the terms 'his' and 'her' are interchangeable, obviously).
But it's the photographer who decides which images at the end of the day, not the model - and that's where some models are taking issue.
Possibly if an experienced model shoots TFP with an inexperienced photographer, the model may feel she has a better idea of which images suit her needs...all I can say is choose the photographers you shoot TFP with so as to maximise the chances of your getting usable imagery - failing that, comission a photographer to take the images you want...
Whitney Alexis wrote: I recently had a 2-3 hour TF shoot with a photographer and was told he would contact me to look at my pictures. We shot probably 5-7 different outfits. Well, of the HUNDREDS of photos taken, I've been shown TOPS 8-10, (actually 6 different images, some the black and white copy and the color copy) On top of that I have no way of saving those images for my own port.
Every other photographer I've worked with has allow me to select my favorite images to be processed and then they would send them to me. Which has always been great in the past. I know the material/product I normally receive and feel what they've selected may not be the best of all the images taken, or my favorite. (as in NOT FLATTERING at all)
What should I do?
I would never release a image that I did not aprove of.. I have been in the business over 60 years. If you are a master photographer, then maybe I will discuss it with you.
Edited: NOTE, this isn't a topic I'm looking to get an emotionally charged response for. If you've had a bad experience with another model and you chew me out for asking this, please think twice before sending me negative or hateful messages. This is the first time I've even used the forums and it's began to be a less than positive experience. I would not waste my time asking something if it wasn't something I honestly wanted a second opinion on.
Sounds to me like the photographer provided the BEST 6 to 8 images of the work which is a very realistic number as there is no way a model can use more than this in their portfolio. The real issue is a difference of artistic expression between photographer and model.
Whitney Alexis wrote: I recently had a 2-3 hour TF shoot with a photographer and was told he would contact me to look at my pictures. We shot probably 5-7 different outfits. Well, of the HUNDREDS of photos taken, I've been shown TOPS 8-10, (actually 6 different images, some the black and white copy and the color copy) On top of that I have no way of saving those images for my own port.
Every other photographer I've worked with has allow me to select my favorite images to be processed and then they would send them to me. Which has always been great in the past. I know the material/product I normally receive and feel what they've selected may not be the best of all the images taken, or my favorite. (as in NOT FLATTERING at all)
What should I do?
Edited: NOTE, this isn't a topic I'm looking to get an emotionally charged response for. If you've had a bad experience with another model and you chew me out for asking this, please think twice before sending me negative or hateful messages. This is the first time I've even used the forums and it's began to be a less than positive experience. I would not waste my time asking something if it wasn't something I honestly wanted a second opinion on.
Just because "Every other photographer" has let you select images doesn't mean they all will. Maybe he just thought 8-10 were any good. It doesn't matter if it's your favorite or not, it's what he thinks is good, now if it were paid it would be more understandable for you to want to select the images but it's TF, don't always expect anything special.
I think you have a good amount of pictures. you dont need to have the same set of clothes over and over in your portfolio. Infact I could make you look more amateur. The more different sets you have the better off you are I think.
If anything since it was TF if you remember what your favorite shot was definitely ask for it! Since it means so much to you!
However I have heard of models desiring 20 - 40 images after a shoot. Which is silly.
Maja Stina
Posts: 3,598
London, England, United Kingdom
It's up to the photographer what they give you. You should always confirm the agreement before the shoot, otherwise you are compromising your rights. As the photographer is copyright holder, you have no say in the matter. Lesson learned, I say.
Whitney Alexis wrote: I recently had a 2-3 hour TF shoot with a photographer and was told he would contact me to look at my pictures. We shot probably 5-7 different outfits. Well, of the HUNDREDS of photos taken, I've been shown TOPS 8-10, (actually 6 different images, some the black and white copy and the color copy) On top of that I have no way of saving those images for my own port.
Every other photographer I've worked with has allow me to select my favorite images to be processed and then they would send them to me. Which has always been great in the past. I know the material/product I normally receive and feel what they've selected may not be the best of all the images taken, or my favorite. (as in NOT FLATTERING at all)
What should I do?
This is not an absurd or uncommon reality.
Also if you ever do anything published, you'll most likely only see the image that was published when you see the billboard on the street or the magazine on the rack.
90% of my paying clients would not dare to presume they can choose better than myself. It's what they are paying me for.
If a mua says "ooh plz grab a good headshot for me today" that is entirely different.
If the model says, "look I really need to look tall in some shots", that is fine.
It's one of the few issues, where I don't feel guilty at all to get on a high horse and act like a diva for a second or two, if the model can not provide a good reason for needing the shot, they get the shot that I spent possibly hours choosing.
Sometimes I've spent up to 3 days editing, someone takes a look and after 3 minutes, starts disagreeing with my choices. I'm too old for that. If someone has a good student mentality and wants to understand my choices, that's different. I spend the 30 minutes and explain everything and they go away extremely happy at the care I took in choosing and the fact I spotted issues they never even dreamed of.
hartcons wrote: this is why after a couple shoots i just started letting the model choose. i'll give them a CD or post the entire session and they can pick their favorites. but some photographers feel strongly that they are the ones who should choose.
I've only been shooting with professional photographers for 4 months and I really like your post here.
Of the few I've shot with, one sent a few pictures within hours but, has only said she would send more and that she was really happy with them but...4 months later she has yet to do so, (I know that she is really busy...)
Another one sent a disck of all images. Very nice! The next photographer sent their own choosing, however I later read our agreement and am not happy with the agreement at all, so LESSON learned.
Following that a photographer called and wanted to try something new so we shot with an agreed upon non-release and no-contracts. She sent several shots right away and we have plans to meet later to go over the rest. Another that I met online shared his views of tfp and model release, it is similar to your statements above. I felt like that was a great idea.
Serendipitously, I literally walked into a mm photographer from out of state and his actions follow that same thinking. We shot one day and the next day he gave me a dvd with all shots, we shot that day and again, the next he gave me a dvd with all shots.
This was hugely helpful for me to learn. As well there are quite a few that I would love to see post process or even just to use as they are NOW.
I'm glad to read this thread and am glad to KNOW that these things need to be clarified firstly.
Jen-burned by one and learned! Then treated really good too.
At which point I would tell you, politely, to find another photographer.
If you shoot trade with me it's because you like MY portfolio (not yours). Therefore, based on that, you should trust ME to select the best shots for retouching.
I have no time for retouching a load of half-decent shots selected by the model just because she thinks they make her ass look good (or whatever). I retouch the best shots (minimum of 3, no maximum but usually not more than 5 or 6) from the shoot and send them to her. Period.
After having a shoot with shots I thought were decent but ended up not being portfolio quality I have come to the realization that not every shot and every session will have the quality or types of images that you want in your port. Not every shot from a session will even be worth while.
I just had a photo shoot yesterday and the photographer told me outright that out of all the shots we did (and we shot for about an hour and a half given lighting changes, pose adjustments and other factors you get with home studio shoots and a baby) only three of them were up to the quality that she has for her shoots.
I accepted this. I accepted that not every shot was going to work and I accepted that her choices and reasons behind her statements came from her professional experience and work. Which I respect. She told me in her honest opinion what one of the issues was (and it was a makeup choice on my behalf) and I am learning from that experience.
I had another shoot last weekend that was about three hours long given the light changes, wardrobe changes, and other things that came as part of the shoot. out of the 100 or so images we shot together the photographer told me an estimate of what I could expect from the shoot.
On some of the shoots I have seen the shots in the camera after the pose/position and on others I haven't seen any of the shots. I have been given CD's of an entire shoot and I have been given only the edited and completed shots the photographer choose. While I enjoy the full CD showing every image from a shoot (as I can see the Raw and finished shots and typically see why the photographers choose to edit the ones they did) its more helpful for me if the photographer shows me and gives me what they think are the best shots from the shoot.
What a model sees is not the same as a photographer and as a model who am I getting work from? Other photographers....To me it makes sense for the photographer to pick the shots. While I may have a different favorite shot from the shoot than the photographer, when I work with a photographer I am working with them because I enjoy their work and trust their judgement.
Whitney Alexis wrote: What a model puts in her port and what a photographer outs in theirs is always different.
Well, why do you think this happens?
Say you work trade with a photographer who has 10 years of experience. His/her work is absolutely rock solid. This person has been culling images since you were in middle school. Think about that.
Are you wanting to choose the images that are technically superior, or are you wanting to add to your personal album collection? I'm not attempting to insult you, but there's often a HUGE rift in motivation.
I can always tell when I'm working with a model who knows his/her shiz. Why? Because their selection process runs 90% parallel to what I would choose. They are looking with an objective eye and with attention to detail.
BodyartBabes
Posts: 1,978
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
This is something that is never really going to change, until models realize that TF* is a TRADE and that trade has to be FAIR. TF* is a contract, even if oral. It's an agreement to work together, in TRADE. And, again, trade has to be FAIR.
A model puts in the time, and effort, and is given nothing, or nothing useful, or what the photographer thinks is "good" but isn't, etc. Maybe it's time for small claims court for theft of services, or even out right theft.
If a photographer enters a TRADE situation and then essentially reneges on it after the fact, then there is potentially a compensable situation for the model. There was a TF* agreement (evidenced by the model being there for photos, and no check or other payment) so it becomes a matter of what each party got, delivered, or failed to deliver.
It is a balance of whether what you think your time and value as a photographer is, vs what the model thinks their time and value is, and what the court will assign.
I'm glad I'm not a model, since I'd never work with most of the people posting to these threads. If anyone thinks their time is more valuable than mine, and behaves that way, then I don't want to work with, or deal with them. fortunately, I've been in a position where I can do that. In a TRADE situation every one needs to come out where they get a FAIR compensation. Maybe for some one image is enough. But in 90% of the cases, even 10 images is not enough for the time. that values the photographer's time far above the model's, and in a TRADE situation, that doesn't work. Time is time. One hour, is one hour. If you are paying cash, that is one thing. If you are paying in "images" that is a completely different issue, especially since digital has NO COST associated with it compared to the old days of "film."
If the IRS can tax trades, and barter, then there is a value that can be assigned. It's just a matter how far you are willing to push it.
Again, people can scream copyright all they want, but this is a contractual usage rights issue, since the reason to do TF* is for MUTUAL benefit, not for one party to take advantage of the other.
Unfortunately, here on MM, that is how it usually comes out -- one party taking advantage of the other, and convincing them that is how it is supposed to be.
BodyartBabes
Posts: 1,978
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
RKD Photographic wrote: But it's the photographer who decides which images at the end of the day, not the model - and that's where some models are taking issue.
Possibly if an experienced model shoots TFP with an inexperienced photographer, the model may feel she has a better idea of which images suit her needs...all I can say is choose the photographers you shoot TFP with so as to maximise the chances of your getting usable imagery - failing that, comission a photographer to take the images you want...
See, that is the problem.
IF it's a trade, and a collaboration, then the model should have the ability to decide what images SHE wants in her portfolio. It's her portfolio, not yours. Really simple. If you want to work with the model, swallow your attitude, and give her what she wants/needs. You get what you want, she gets what she wants. It's NOT one-sided.
And, yes, most photographers are way too arrogant. I cut that part out of the quote. Far too arrogant for their own good, or even their ability.
BodyartBabes
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Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
Mask Photo wrote: Well, they're all paying gigs. you're being paid in modeling services, and it's kind of disingenuous for you to insinuate that the model's time isn't worthwhile.
That said, I always let the model choose, from a pre-edited selection. I remove all the technically flawed images, all the artistic goofs, all the funny faces (well, i leave in some smeg-ups for the lulz), and the client (i mean the model; they're really a client in this transaction anyway) picks their favorite from the edit. This is the same way I handle a paying client (because the model is paying... with his/her time).
Whitney Alexis wrote: This is what I was talking about. I don't want all the images, I just wanted to select a couple. What a model puts in her port and what a photographer outs in theirs is always different.
Models and photographers have *very* different needs in their portfolios.
What makes a good image for a photographer is often a LOUSY image for the model's portfolio. Photographers should not try to advertise in the model's portfolio. It's their portfolio, not yours. Your goal should be to give them the images THEY need, and by doing so, you gain more, much more.
A quote from a model friend "It's hard to realize that a good photo may not be a good photo for my portfolio."
Gabrielle Heather wrote: this is why I REALLY like when photographers take LESS photos with MORE intent......... and then we mark them together tf or paid; everyone gets to pick what they like
Whitney Alexis wrote: ...those images for my own port.
Every other photographer I've worked with has allow me to select my favorite images to be processed and then they would send them to me. Which has always been great in the past. I know the material/product I normally receive and feel what they've selected may not be the best of all the images taken, or my favorite.
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I am posting again because I am so relieved and at ease about my recent two days of shooting after the photographer gave me the dvd from our shoots.
After speaking with him I am at total ease with waiting to see which ones are the ones he is going to select to post process.
This is the first time a photographer did that and I really, really appreciate it. I did post a couple of them to my 'closed' fb account I mentioned that they were unprocessed and I didn't say the photographer's name. However, I think I was too quick in that and won't do it again. I may remove them since having read this thread and thinking twice about it.
I was very pleased with his untouched shots and his eye that I posted them to my family and friends, (who are a small amount on my fb page but, realize that I just don't know what my coworker friends might do or who they may show them too...)
Jen
p.s. edit to clarify, the photographer did grant permission for me to use them as I please in both verbal and written but, the main outcome of our shoots and his ease is trust. I am very willing and eager to shoot with him again, as well as another photographer that has shared similar views. Trust is huge and both have earned it with me because of this concept of 'sharing the photos from our collaborative effort.' thank you! For treating me as an independant person and performance artist for stills.
What do you do if you go to a new restaurant and feel the meal wasn't as good as you had hoped?
What a photographer produces is what he produces, and I imagine the photographer gave you the best images he could. What you can do is try to do a better job a selecting photographers that will produce what you are looking for.
Also realize that it's hard to get out of TF what you would get from a talented photographer who charges for his services.
Jason Bassett wrote: I am not interested in your favorite photograph. Before someone thinks that is harsh... a model comes to me for TF based on my style and the way I select my photographs. You have to trust. Maybe he wasn't the right photographer for you, and you made the mistake.
This has, personally, always been my experience. I have had photographers ask my input for the "best images" but, ultimately, it's their choice when I'm doing TF work.
I'm not always happy with the result (although I frequently am!). It's the risk you take when doing TF work, which is why one must be selective.
OP...my experience below should demonstrate a few things to you...
I made the mistake once of giving a CD of the entire shoot to a new model...after I had given her edited images of my top pics...of which she really liked.
This was an available light shoot...which notoriously has a lot of crap images...and she expected the whole CD to have images of equal quality to what I had given her. Due to her inexperience, she was disappointed in this surplus of crap images, and my reputation as a photographer was diminished in her eyes.
After all, each time she "junked" an image, she chalked up my failure to capture a good one.
This was the last time I agreed to a CD with the entire shoot.
David Lumen Photography wrote: OP...my experience below should demonstrate a few things to you...
I made the mistake once of giving a CD of the entire shoot to a new model...after I had given her edited images of my top pics...of which she really liked.
This was an available light shoot...which notoriously has a lot of crap images...and she expected the whole CD to have images of equal quality to what I had given her. Due to her inexperience, she was disappointed in this surplus of crap images, and my reputation as a photographer was diminished in her eyes.
After all, each time she "junked" an image, she chalked up my failure to capture a good one.
This was the last time I agreed to a CD with the entire shoot.
I'm sorry that inexperienced model did that. The collaborative effort is two ways. I can see there are several shots on the recent disc I have that are fabulous in everything EXCEPT in what I did! So, maybe the model realized that the junked photos were not on you?
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