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Photographer
Gloria Budiman
Posts: 1,683
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


Please let me know what I did wrong with the retouching. I kinda feel the final result lacks the 'ooomph'.
Top is original, bottom is retouched. Feel free to critique the photography side as well, as I am the one who took pics.

#1
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rh4Popas9sE/T6TS-7aCEpI/AAAAAAAAKjA/N3kp7jfZpR8/s512/DSC_4203.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-KHicaxswgB8/T7lWcyeU66I/AAAAAAAALRU/SsDvBzUyxhs/s512/DSC_4203.jpg

#2
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6qYiKf9rUG8/T6TTHpPX6uI/AAAAAAAAKjc/pt2bKWFSAng/s512/DSC_4206.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CnoQP_nzAQA/T7lWdTP8h6I/AAAAAAAALQY/4r5ysrlFgwI/s512/DSC_4206.jpg

#3
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F2fgT3MQx1M/T6TTIKugthI/AAAAAAAAKjo/hsa0TpaouYg/s512/DSC_4208.JPG https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V3XJc-57IDs/T7lWdxvCsQI/AAAAAAAALRc/ZiLFoqIkwe4/s512/DSC_4208.jpg

#4
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DxxOWpvaucs/T6TTJjO5YEI/AAAAAAAAKkE/iWMDhsu3tDA/s512/DSC_4214.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J8V8v8bEhk8/T7pOLr9jT1I/AAAAAAAALRg/-Tu3U4V6Rqw/s512/DSC_4214.jpg
May 21 12 06:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MichaelClements
Posts: 1,735
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


Honestly? I think oomph necessary for a great picture goes way beyond retouching and what you have here in all aspects. Think styling, model, pose, expression, lighting, environment.

I'm not sure what it is your trying to achieve with these.
May 21 12 06:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gloria Budiman
Posts: 1,683
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


MichaelClements wrote:
Honestly? I think oomph necessary for a great picture goes way beyond retouching and what you have here in all aspects. Think styling, model, pose, expression, lighting, environment.

I'm not sure what it is your trying to achieve with these.

I rephrased my question a bit. I'm mainly asking for critique and guidance for the retouching effort.

May 21 12 06:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
AndyHope
Posts: 60
New York, New York, US


I'm not sure what to suggest for the first two other than that the flyaway hair could do with correction. I think the whites of the eyes are too bright as well, you could tone them down and make them a little more natural.

For the third one, the face seems a little flat and some carving could help define the cheeks. Definitely work on all that wispy hair. You could also, either by RAW compositing or painting white on a soft light layer, get a little more out of those eyes since they've got light coming into them to start with.

I also see some unevenness in the color on her face, mostly a little bit of pink on the nose, a shadow above the top lip (mostly noticeable on the lefthand side), and kind of orangey sploches on the left cheek and down near the jaw on the right. There's a little of that on the visible cheek temple, and that's from oversaturation. Try toning down the color with a saturation/vibrance layer by toning down the vibrance and masking it to fit the areas you need.

The facial colors should also match the bust, and they don't; the face is more orange-toned, and the bust is more pinkish. Imo the pinker tone works better against the green background and the red hair, so whatever method you like for that, I think a hue/saturation adjustment layer to just move it over. (This applies to all three of them.)

Hope that helps!
May 22 12 11:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,146
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Gloria Budiman wrote:
#4
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DxxOWpvaucs/T6TTJjO5YEI/AAAAAAAAKkE/iWMDhsu3tDA/s512/DSC_4214.JPG https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J8V8v8bEhk8/T7pOLr9jT1I/AAAAAAAALRg/-Tu3U4V6Rqw/s512/DSC_4214.jpg

I'm only offering my opinion, I'm not an expert retoucher nor claim to be. However, to a degree I see what the problem you feel is there may be. When you lit the image and/or added a little Saturation, it turned tour models skin pinkish and lit her hair on fire a lil bit sad  I see you're shooting sRGB (DSC_0000 vs _DSC0000), so the problem isn't with the way Picasa is handling the non-sRGB colorspace.

Saturation alters colors slightly to boost them, and in fact loses some clarity and sharpness (ya gotta do some mild pixel-peeping to catch this, but last April I did so). Vibrance alters the [ii]intensity[/i] of the colors, not the colors themselves. Photoshop of course offers Vibrance and selective/masked retouching, but is also a fricken g-note! Sagelight Professional is still on sale for $40 USD until Version 5 is released. It has a few issues, as should be expected from a $40 retouching program, but it is one of 3 programs I use in my workflow that I find to be excellent. And the one I myself bought when I made the jump from Faststone - which followed Picasa3.

Tweaking lighting alone can sometimes do this. When I first started getting some similar pink-issues, I started shooting RAW for the higher bit-depth ant it helped reduce it dramatically. However, if I used a program that converted and went directly into the retouching, when I would save as a jpeg it would look like your pix.

Suggested easy-fix: When you shoot, I presume you're shooting RAW. If not, start. Convert in View NX/2, and the images will have the in-camera settings applied. (Still shooting with the D3100, right?) This will automatically make you get far less shadow-noise. Step 2: when you convert, do so as a 16-bit TIFF. This is important, keep the bit-rate as high as possible for as long as possible. Your 12-bit NEFs are stretched out to 16-bits when you convert like this. Here's where you need to make some choices...

Picasa, Fastsone, GIMP, and others only have an 8-bit workspace. Shooting sRGB, I would recommend Faststone as your best program to use. Easy, too. It has a great lil Clone & Healing brush, to boot! Lol! (FS Image Viewer 4.6: http://www.faststone.org/). If I were on a hardcore budget like I was a year ago, I'd go make 'donations' at the local sperm-bank and...*ahem* generate enough moolah to buy Sagelight Professional 4.2g - with free unlimited lifetime upgrades at the moment (http://www.sagelighteditor.com/)

Please note that I'm only speaking to your query on retouching points, as it appears that's what you asked about. Feel free to PM me for a more detailed explanation of my ramblings here. You have a fair bit wrong going on here, but not in the way of making mistakes you can 'fix' by retouching differently. Digital photography is about the capture as well as the post-production. Your gear may be fine for you atm, but you've clearly out-growen the learner-program in Picasa yikes  Fyi: Picasa was my 2nd 'program' I used for retouching. Have a laugh...I used Picnik when I first began, the first 2 shoots! Lol! (Now closed-down) You need to work on your workflow overall, not your retouching techniques. Sorry, you need to turn your workflow inside-out and upside-down. Take a picture of it, run 20+ trial-runs with the same 4 photos yikes  Sorreeeee!!!!!

IMHO alone, as always;

~Danny
http://www.dbiphotography.com/ 

May 23 12 02:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,146
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz151/DanielBetts/DSC_4214_edited_2.jpg

I just backed-off on Saturation, added a lil selective Vibrance, smoothed her skin a lil, and dealt with her strays a bit. Notice the difference removing the strays made was the most dramatic, after the saturation-level in her skin being reduced? That's something to bear in mind, too. Strays sad  I only did a three-minute job of this in Sagelight alone, just to give you an idea of what I was saying.

IMHO alone, as always;

~Danny
http://www.dbiphotography.com/ 


Disclaimer: I am not an expert, nor do I claim to be. Anyone who questions the weight of my opinion(s) is free to validate my words based upon their review of my work – which may/may not be supportive.

May 23 12 02:51 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
OTTO poste1
Posts: 187
Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain


The desaturated image makes the skin look cyan and makes her look like she has a moustache. I think the saturated version is not too bad compared to this. It is definitely a little orange in the skin though. The face is darker than the body and it's not the same color either, that's something you should come as close as you can in camera though.

You can always correct the skin color with some color local adjustment with Curves (select an area and play with the different channels curves and you will see what it does)

It looks like you blurred the skin to get a smooth aspect. Usually in retouching it's a no no cos you lose all the texture and it is exactly what you do not want to happen. You should look into the Dodge and Burn technique. Practice makes perfect and you will need some patience and time with this technique, but it's well worth it cos it's the way to go.

There is also the split frequency technique that you can use for dealing with other problems such as zits and flying hair (youtube it, you'll see a lot of good tutorials).
Inverted high pass is another commonly used technique and, if well done, helps a lot in some situation (overdo it and you get some obvious lazy shiny retouching work), again you can find info on youtube or good articles about it on Natalia Taffarel's tumblr.

According to me, you also whitened the white of the eyes too much, it makes them pop weirdly. Look at pictures in great fashion magazine (or even better, people in real life) the white always a color cast in it, it's never fully white. Usually you just need to get rid of the veins if you can see them and smooth things out in the white, but you don't always need (I would say never but I am not experienced enough to be sure about that) to brighten it, it looks fake otherwise.

hope that helps.
May 23 12 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Blah blah blah
Posts: 45
Annada, Missouri, US


I'm not a retoucher but I liked the retouching:)  Just wish she had a necklace on.  Could you photoshop a necklace on her?  Or something so she looks a little more styled.  Maybe add something to the background to make it a bit more creative looking:)  Just ideas, other than that I think the retouching is ok:)
May 23 12 09:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,146
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


ottoretouch wrote:
The desaturated image makes the skin look cyan and makes her look like she has a moustache. I think the saturated version is not too bad compared to this. It is definitely a little orange in the skin though. The face is darker than the body and it's not the same color either, that's something you should come as close as you can in camera though.

That's because I only used Sagelight, which is only good for a few things and never as a final-program (IMO). I agree the skin loks lifeless and she's sporting a lil mustache there, but wtvr. That was all of 3/4 minutes (literally), and to show differences in skin-tone for comparison (as well as strays). Like I said, I'm not an expert and that was not an actual retouch smile

~Danny

May 23 12 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
OTTO poste1
Posts: 187
Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain


DBIphotography Toronto wrote:

That's because I only used Sagelight, which is only good for a few things and never as a final-program (IMO). I agree the skin loks lifeless and she's sporting a lil mustache there, but wtvr. That was all of 3/4 minutes (literally), and to show differences in skin-tone for comparison (as well as strays). Like I said, I'm not an expert and that was not an actual retouch smile

~Danny

Maybe she wanted to have a moustache.. who knows wink

May 24 12 06:00 am  Link  Quote 
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