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Brian Styles Photo
Posts: 213
Houston, Texas, US


Camera:  5D Mark II
Lens: 24-70 f/2.8L
Problem: Soft focus/OOF issue at most apertures (especially wide open), shutter speeds, etc.

I've noticed recently that most of my photos (using the combo above) have been coming out slightly soft and sometimes even OOF.  I know it is not my error but am having a hard time determining whether it is the lens or the camera body itself.

Is it possible that a camera body can cause a lens to shoot soft or slightly OOF?  I always use AF but choose my autofocus points manually using the joystick.  I've also heard that many versions of the 24-70mm are having the soft focus / OOF issues.

I really don't want to take it in to Canon to get "checked" when I have tons of work lined up.  That would put me out of commission for too long.

I've done all the tests; microadjustments, newspaper on the wall using a tripod with good lighting, even tried manual focusing instead of using AF on the lens.

I do not recall ever having a sharpness issue with my 17-40 f/4L wide angle using the same camera body.  But then again, I don't know if the body has just come to a "wear and tear" point where things need to be serviced or the 24-70 lens just sucks.

Help.
May 23 12 02:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffs Photography
Posts: 3,608
Dakota, Minnesota, US


Brian Styles Photo wrote:
I've done all the tests; microadjustments, newspaper on the wall using a tripod with good lighting, even tried manual focusing instead of using AF on the lens.

Have you tried any other lens?

May 23 12 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian Styles Photo
Posts: 213
Houston, Texas, US


Enrapture Photography wrote:
Have you tried any other lens?

Yes, the 17-40 f/4L wide angle.  Did not have a problem.  But this was months ago and I have recently sold it but purchased it again but it won't arrive until Friday.  I also shot with a 70-200 f/4L and noticed a SLIGHT soft focus/OOF issue as well but not as bad as my 24-70 f/2.8L has been, especially wide open.  I shot a landscape shot at 2.8 this past weekend during a very bright day and at 1/1250 shutter speed and it was NOT tack sharp at all.  Very sad about this.

This is why I'm concerned it might ALSO be a camera body issue but don't know if camera bodies can be the culprit of this kind of issue.

May 23 12 02:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Chuckarelei
Posts: 8,206
Seattle, Washington, US


picture samples?
May 23 12 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dimitrio
Posts: 998
Nassau, New Providence, Bahamas


Probably should check Canon's USA website canonusa.com for any firmware updates for your camera body.  Heard of the problem and have shot with a 24-70mm on a 5DMK II and 7D, but didn't experience any soft or OOF issues.
May 23 12 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian Styles Photo
Posts: 213
Houston, Texas, US


Chuckarelei wrote:
picture samples?

Most of the ones with "Jocelyn" in my port.

May 23 12 03:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kaouthia
Posts: 3,080
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom


Brian Styles Photo wrote:
Most of the ones with "Jocelyn" in my port.

full size picture sample?

May 23 12 03:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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William Kious
Posts: 8,822
Delphos, Ohio, US


If you're shooting wide open, chances are you're dealing with an incredibly narrow depth of field. There's likely an in-focus area, it's just so small that you're missing it.
May 23 12 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian Styles Photo
Posts: 213
Houston, Texas, US


William Kious wrote:
If you're shooting wide open, chances are you're dealing with an incredibly narrow depth of field. There's likely an in-focus area, it's just so small that you're missing it.

The shots of Jocelyn in my port were shot at apertures 5.6 and higher in a simple studio setting.  Still had the problem.

May 23 12 03:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rudi Brooker
Posts: 362
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


You need to work out whether it is an optical "fault" (e.g. lens misalignment), or an auto-focus/general focus issue.

Put the camera on a tripod, and use live-view at 100% to manually focus on something.  If the result is nice and sharp, then you know the optics are good, which probably means it is a focus related problem (either auto-focus or technique).

If you can't get an acceptably sharp image using manual focus and live view, then I'd recommend taking the lens and body to the shop along with a sample to show them the problem.
May 23 12 03:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 19,974
Salem, Oregon, US


the mark II can micro-adjust for a given lens. might play with that to see if it helps.

and maybe read some of the lens reports to see what's normal to expect for the lens. you do hear talk of bad copies but i've never been one to be that anal about it.

for my part i don't want it too sharp anyway. just more work in the retouching.

rent the 100f2.8macro. that thing picks up a ton of detail (too much sometimes).
May 23 12 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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silverystars
Posts: 2,524
Allentown, Pennsylvania, US


tell us what happened when you dropped the lens

wink
May 23 12 04:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 2,476
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


It's possible that you're experiencing front focus or back focus issues. Simply put, this means that your camera and lens habitually focus in front of or behind what you think you're focusing on.

There are tolerances in manufacturing both cameras and lenses. Sometimes when both are at the edge of the tolerance range (or the lens is not within the manufacturer's tolerances), it results in front focus or back focus.

You can test for this yourself and correct the problem (well, kinda) using something like LensAlign Pro, invented by the same guy who came up with WhiBal.

http://michaeltapesdesign.com/lensalign.html

LensAlign Pro (I believe the current version is LenAlign Pro II, which costs less than the original model) will let you diagnose the problem. Then you can make an adjustment in your camera that applies only when the lens in question is mounted on your camera.

I say kinda because, in the end, you'll have focus optimized for a particular focal length and distance with your zoom lens. This is even more true if the lens was not manufactured to the specified tolerances.

One alternative is to send *both* the camera and lens to the manufacturer and let them adjust both. Still, from what I've read, you're not likely to end up with what you'd have with an optimal camera and lens. (Don't ask me why.)

A better alternative, if your lens is still in warranty, is to exchange it.

Last year I bought a used 28-105mm f/3.5-4.5D Nikkor for use when I didn't want to tote both the 35-70mm f/2.8 and 70-200mm f/2.8 lenses. Turned out the 28-105mm has a severe front focus issue. In my case, the solution turned out to be leaving the lens in the closet when I shoot.
May 23 12 04:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brian Styles Photo
Posts: 213
Houston, Texas, US


^ Thank you for this.

And to the one who mentioned me dropping this lens...I never have, honest (and I'm the original owner).  If I did, that would've been my first assumption.
May 23 12 05:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 6,237
Imperial, California, US


Have you shot a target to see if the lens is focusing correctly?
May 23 12 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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