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Oscar Partida
Posts: 730
Palm Springs, California, US


i think you should mind your own Bizz....i dont care for nudity photos either but who am i to say it's wrong....some may be tacky and voyeuristic .some are cool...at the end of the day  who cares if models want to show their Lady Parts  ..lol
Nov 06 12 03:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Film
Posts: 1,761
New York, New York, US


Matthew Braney wrote:
I am a photographer and I currently don't do nudes because I feel there is a fine line between sensual and sexual. You can make a photo appealing without the girl being naked. There's a photographers meetup group where I live and all their shoots are just paying models to get naked, which I don't 100% agree with considering most of their shoots look more like porn. I understand there are a lot of models and photographers that do nudes but I honestly question a lot of their composition or their artistic integrity.

Does anyone agree? This might backfire on me but I'm willing to take the hit


Maybe it just boils down to preference

What's wrong with porn?

Nov 07 12 02:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,406
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


it makes you go blind.
Nov 07 12 05:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Red Hot Foxes Studios
Posts: 27
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Charger Photography wrote:
Just shoot what you like... and let others shoot what we like..
big_smile

Agreed

Nov 07 12 05:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Matthew Braney wrote:
I am a photographer and I currently don't do nudes because I feel there is a fine line between sensual and sexual. You can make a photo appealing without the girl being naked. There's a photographers meetup group where I live and all their shoots are just paying models to get naked, which I don't 100% agree with considering most of their shoots look more like porn. I understand there are a lot of models and photographers that do nudes but I honestly question a lot of their composition or their artistic integrity.

Does anyone agree? This might backfire on me but I'm willing to take the hit


Maybe it just boils down to preference

In general, nudity is necessary if it fits your goals.  Nudity isn't necessary to sexiness, and nudity doesn't inherently mean sexiness.  If you look at my port, you'll find essentially no clothing, and pretty much no attempt at "sexy."

As far as the photo group, it seems like a poor fit for you.  If you'd like to start a project where you pay models to pose fully clothed, I'm sure you won't have any problem finding candidates.

Nov 07 12 05:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,432
Cleveland, Ohio, US


Matthew Braney wrote:
Wow thanks for taking my analogy out of context lol

Well this is MM and one man's opinion will spark 1000 more opinions and you will see them all.  What were you expecting?  "Hardcore Porn?"

Nov 07 12 05:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Jacob Davis wrote:
I wouldn't put that question to anyone else's work; to each their own. My sense is that, while some degree of nudity is needed for my own work, full-on nudity (visible genitalia and nipples) affects the narrative I wish to create and distracts from my goal.

Then again, I'm rarely going for "sexy."

But, in general, yes, sexy and sensual can be done without full or implied nudity. It's a matter of what kind of sexy/sensual you're trying to achieve.

Didn't look at your work, but I often see cases where NOT showing "genitalia (or, more accurately, labia) and nipples" CREATES the sexuality.  It is precisely the conspicuous mystery that sexualizes the image.

This is my shot, it is fully nude, and it isn't the least bit sexual, in spite of her beauty (18+, obviously).
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 6#28395016

Nov 07 12 05:36 am  Link  Quote 
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D0127H
Posts: 1,135
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Matthew Braney wrote:
yeah well I have seen nudes that have lots of artistic integrity, just hard to find them... most are cliche

A good reason to just keep doing what is right for you : )

Nov 07 12 05:49 am  Link  Quote 
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David Sheldrick
Posts: 710
London, England, United Kingdom


Ive never taken a photo of a woman naked, or fully revealed. I think obscuring makes the imagination go crazy. Thats what its all about smile
Nov 07 12 06:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,477
Dearborn, Michigan, US


I'm going to be in the OP's area next week taking photos of nude women!    smile
Nov 07 12 06:23 am  Link  Quote 
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Hero Foto
Posts: 878
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Matthew Braney wrote:
... I honestly question a lot of their composition or their artistic integrity ...

AGREED ... 100% ...

Nov 07 12 06:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Kevin Stenhouse
Posts: 2,658
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Matthew Braney wrote:
... I honestly question a lot of their composition or their artistic integrity ...
Hero Foto wrote:
AGREED ... 100% ...

Welcome, nice to see new posters. It's good to question things. So here's a few more.

Why is this more of concern than the equal amount of imagery of non-nude subjects that also lack composition and artistic integrity?

I'll think you'll find that many people have a personal bias that says it's okay to take a crappy photo of girl in clothes, BUT if she's nude all of a sudden it's an issue. Same people will think a bunch of amateurs meeting up to photograph birds is fine but nudes, that's creepy.

For those judging it as creepy while the photographers don't.. wonder which side is truly having inappropriate thought?

Some will argue don't shoot nudes until you are good at photography etc. Things is to get good at shooting nudes, you have to shoot nudes. Same with trees, weddings, ducks, cars, whatever. So again who has the misplaced judgement about the situation?

And let me paraphrase someone I admire smile

I look to a day when photographers will not be judged by the amount of skin in their photographs, but by the content and the character of their work.

Shoot what you love, don't judge others for doing the same.

Nov 07 12 09:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Dan OMell
Posts: 1,335
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


nudity is really a must. after all, you cannot pee in your trunks, or take a bath in your clothes.

you can see it in the church's mural paintings and read in Bible's The Song of Songs (Canticle of Canticles).

cats neither watch porn, nor enjoy tasteful artistic nudes, but have a lot of sex all the time and are always naked. weird, yeah?
some people have a problem having a bigger brain and don't know what to do with their hyper asexuality or hyper sexuality. its all in your brain!

look, some people find even the following image to be very pornographic:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/fins13mp/writing-a-check.jpg
Nov 07 12 09:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotographybyT
Posts: 7,617
Monterey, California, US


Dan OMell wrote:
nudity is really a must. after all, you cannot pee in your trunks, or take a bath in your clothes.

I beg to differ! big_smile

But seriously, OP, worry about your own craft and less about what other people shoot.

Nov 07 12 09:52 am  Link  Quote 
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ybfoto
Posts: 657
Oakland, California, US


whats wrong with sexuality? Why does having an image that is full of sexual tension disqualify it from being considered art? And by that standard you know you disqualify some of the major works of art, from all mediums. there are many many examples of art that is and was intended to be sexual in nature.

The Surrealist movement was overly obsessed with the unconscious libido, many of its followers thought that was the true underlying driver of all human behavior.   

I shoot lots of nudes and as far as my nude work I would be disappointed if someone looking at my work didn't find in it  sexual on some level.

If nekkidness isnt for you fine but your judgment that a photograph cant be par excellence because a girl is showing her boobies is well, just ignorant.
Nov 07 12 10:01 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Amadea T
Posts: 3,419
Columbus, Ohio, US


Nudity is mostly necessary in architecture:


http://static.photaki.com/akt-skulptur-vor-sevilla_28984.jpg

the fine arts,
http://www.bodyartschool.com/uploads/pics/KuGa_Akt1750x500_01.jpg

science

sport (why, the very word gym comes from the Greek gymnasium and means 'place to be naked' )
http://www.utexas.edu/courses/introtogreece/cc301/Discobolos.jpg

medicine (if your doctor has never seen anyone naked before, I'd recommend you get a second opinion)

teachings thereof, personal hygene,

procreation,

and overall frolicking.

See, plenty of necessity.


I cannot imagine the chalice my soul lives in for (I hope at least)  80 years to be something disgusting or shameful that needs to be hidden.

Perhaps we wouldn't have so much need (not want, I am talking need-you know who you are big_smile ) for porn if the human body wasn't such a negative and forbidden thing. When did we all become 'dirty'?
Nov 07 12 10:03 am  Link  Quote 
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LLOYD WRIGHT
Posts: 664
Newcastle upon Tyne, England, United Kingdom


Matthew Braney wrote:
I am a photographer and I currently don't do nudes because I feel there is a fine line between sensual and sexual. You can make a photo appealing without the girl being naked. There's a photographers meetup group where I live and all their shoots are just paying models to get naked, which I don't 100% agree with considering most of their shoots look more like porn. I understand there are a lot of models and photographers that do nudes but I honestly question a lot of their composition or their artistic integrity.

Does anyone agree? This might backfire on me but I'm willing to take the hit


Maybe it just boils down to preference

i wouldn't expect everyone the like my work...like  i wouldn't expect everyone to like your work...just the way of life...nothing more!

ps i have a music folder full of famous bands and musicians [everyone clothed] but nobody seems to like that!

Nov 07 12 10:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 1,334
Sisters, Oregon, US


Charger Photography wrote:
Just shoot what you like... and let others shoot what we like..
big_smile

+1

@OP: Why is it any of your concern what other people do.  Each of us has his/her own interpretation of what is tasteful and what is distasteful, though there are societal values that do generally set some limits on what's OK and what's not OK.  Those values are constantly being challenged. 

Nobody is forcing you to look at anything that you consider distasteful.  'Nuff said.

Nov 07 12 10:23 am  Link  Quote 
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Eros Studios
Posts: 690
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Matthew Braney wrote:
Maybe it just boils down to preference

Ding, Ding, We Have A Winner!

Nov 07 12 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Art Silva
Posts: 9,236
Santa Barbara, California, US


People just shoot what inspires them and what they know, Period!
Nov 07 12 02:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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MKPhoto
Posts: 5,665
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Nov 07 12 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 1,334
Sisters, Oregon, US


Nov 07 12 03:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,199
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Matthew Braney wrote:
I am...where I live...which I don't...I understand...I honestly...

Does anyone agree? This might backfire on me but I'm willing to take the hit


Maybe it just boils down to preference

Yup. Sounds like a personal issue. You don't shoot with nudity involved because you have problems differentiating between sensuality and sexuality? There is a vast difference between erotica and porn, mate. As well, between erotica and art. Learn the differences, and I'm willing to bet your personal issues will diminish dramatically. (Not being snippity here)

Artistic Nude (18+): http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/28828279

Playful Voyeuristic Nude (18+): http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 4#30146024

Playful Erotica (18+): http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 4#30294154

Erotica (18+): http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 9#29005789

Porn: (HAHHHHHH!!!! Not likely, I'd post porn in a forum!!! Lmao!)

IMHO alone;

Ðanny
http://www.dbiphotography.com (Blog On Site) 

Nov 07 12 05:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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DBIphotography Toronto
Posts: 3,199
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Dan OMell wrote:
nudity is really a must. after all, you cannot pee in your trunks, or take a bath in your clothes.

you can see it in the church's mural paintings and read in Bible's The Song of Songs (Canticle of Canticles).

cats neither watch porn, nor enjoy tasteful artistic nudes, but have a lot of sex all the time and are always naked. weird, yeah?
some people have a problem having a bigger brain and don't know what to do with their hyper asexuality or hyper sexuality. its all in your brain!

look, some people find even the following image to be very pornographic:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/fins13mp/writing-a-check.jpg

Hahahaaa! Yeah, I do myself. I usually only write cheques to pay bills. I'm usually getting fucked by those invoicing me!!! Lmao!!!!!

Nov 07 12 05:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Sex sells.

If you can incorporate nudity into your work in a way that the majority of your clients and their potential customers will find acceptable and/or 'artistic' then you are ahead of the guy who can't.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com
Nov 07 12 06:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MKPhoto
Posts: 5,665
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


502 Bad Gateway
Nov 07 12 08:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MKPhoto
Posts: 5,665
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Light and Lens Studio wrote:

ROTFLMAO

Fucking 327 pages of it!

Nov 07 12 08:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Hero Foto
Posts: 878
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Kevin Stenhouse wrote:
Why is this more of concern than the equal amount of imagery of non-nude subjects that also lack composition and artistic integrity?

I should have added:

I question their initial motives ... a LOT of the shoots around here are marketed as one thing and are the exact opposite of what was/is advertised of the shoot (sets, wardrobe, poses, location; etc..) ...

Nov 08 12 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
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n23
Posts: 18
Chiang Mai, Northern, Thailand


Matthew Braney wrote:
I am a photographer and I currently don't do nudes because I feel there is a fine line between sensual and sexual. You can make a photo appealing without the girl being naked. There's a photographers meetup group where I live and all their shoots are just paying llamas to get naked, which I don't 100% agree with considering most of their shoots look more like porn. I understand there are a lot of llamas and photographers that do nudes but I honestly question a lot of their composition or their artistic integrity.

Does anyone agree? This might backfire on me but I'm willing to take the hit


Maybe it just boils down to preference

Totally agree, I think there's too many people doing nudes just for the sake of it and a lot of these images veer very close to porn. Also it seems to be used as a cheap way of getting noticed.

I will admit though there are some photographers on MM who do tasteful nudes with artistic integrity.

I've never done a nude shoot because I've never had a good reason to do one.

Nov 08 12 08:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GordonsLife Photo
Posts: 75
White Plains, New York, US


Charger Photography wrote:
Just shoot what you like... and let others shoot what we like..
big_smile

++1

Nov 08 12 09:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Hero Foto wrote:
I should have added:

I question their initial motives ... a LOT of the shoots around here are marketed as one thing and are the exact opposite of what was/is advertised of the shoot (sets, wardrobe, poses, location; etc..) ...

Why not focus on your own motives and goals?

Personally, my shoots are "marketed" as exactly what I intend them to be.  It's not very tough to tell from my port what I aim to do.

Nov 08 12 06:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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grahamsz
Posts: 1,035
Boulder, Colorado, US


Matthew Braney wrote:
I am a photographer and I currently don't do nudes because I feel there is a fine line between sensual and sexual. You can make a photo appealing without the girl being naked. There's a photographers meetup group where I live and all their shoots are just paying models to get naked, which I don't 100% agree with considering most of their shoots look more like porn. I understand there are a lot of models and photographers that do nudes but I honestly question a lot of their composition or their artistic integrity.

Does anyone agree? This might backfire on me but I'm willing to take the hit


Maybe it just boils down to preference

I think that's a function of who you are shooting with. I went to a group like that for a while and the whole thing just struck me as distasteful. The images that came out of it were fairly tacky and few of the photographers seemed particularly interested in learning and more interested in how skimpy her lingerie was.

I ended up doing one nude shoot. It was mostly the model's idea, but it seemed like a good setting to try something like that. The end result was great and I think it was a worthwhile first nude shot. I'm sure I'll do more but for the style of things I like to shoot, I don't think I need naked girls

Nov 08 12 08:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB JenB
Posts: 2,981
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Jacob Davis wrote:
I wouldn't put that question to anyone else's work; to each their own. My sense is that, while some degree of nudity is needed for my own work, full-on nudity (visible genitalia and nipples) affects the narrative I wish to create and distracts from my goal.

Then again, I'm rarely going for "sexy."

...

I agree here, ...with this June reply.
Jen
p.s. edit, now that I've read the thread I agree with lots of posters here but want to add that maybe you are considering it since you are doing so much pondering about nudes... in hindsight I sure was a few months ago and wouldn't you know it, now I am.

Nov 08 12 08:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB JenB
Posts: 2,981
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I'm going to be in the OP's area next week taking photos of nude women!    smile

Ha, ha, ha. smile

Nov 08 12 09:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Shandra Stark
Posts: 13,611
Los Angeles, California, US


Matthew Braney wrote:
I am a photographer and I currently don't do nudes because I feel there is a fine line between sensual and sexual. You can make a photo appealing without the girl being naked. There's a photographers meetup group where I live and all their shoots are just paying models to get naked, which I don't 100% agree with considering most of their shoots look more like porn. I understand there are a lot of models and photographers that do nudes but I honestly question a lot of their composition or their artistic integrity.

Does anyone agree? This might backfire on me but I'm willing to take the hit


Maybe it just boils down to preference

Not everyone shoots for the same reason.  Likely, the meetup group where you live is comprised of people who have more or less pervy intentions, and they want to shoot images that resemble pornography.

That does not mean that A) you need to shoot nudes that resemble pornography B) you need to shoot nudes at all C) there aren't perfectly lovely nudes out there with less questionable artistic merit

Nov 14 12 08:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Matty272
Posts: 218
Dunfermline, Scotland, United Kingdom


I don't shoot nudes either.

Not through any kind of moral thing or judgement of artistry in local community.

Simply because I'm skint and models take one look at my portfolio and don't wish to trade sad

Oh well, shit happens tongue
Nov 15 12 03:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ev Murkov
Posts: 24
New York, New York, US


Necessary...No, Relevant....yes! Walk around any museum for just a few minutes and you'll quickly realize it's been an integral part of the art world dating back to some of the first paintings known to man. It's in our being, it's beautiful, and we'll always be attracted to it. I think a more interesting question would be...is it being using "with good taste" in the fashion photography world? To that I might agree that it seems to be over-used for its shock value, which to me, cheapens a shoot. If it adds beauty I'm for it. If it seems like you threw a boob in front of my face to make me pick up a magazine it's just smart sex-based marketing but I would have to argue against it's artistic value for the most part. Doing something to make money vs creating something to look beautiful are 2 different species and rarely mix well today. Just my 2 cents.
Nov 15 12 09:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BTHPhoto
Posts: 6,771
Fairbanks, Alaska, US


Your prudishness is your problem, not anyone else's.  Keep it to yourself.
Nov 15 12 09:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
iPro Pictures
Posts: 184
Tempe, Arizona, US


People are still talking about this? I originally posted the very broad question because a lot of photographers on MM take nude photos. While personally I don't prefer it as something in my portfolio I do like work people have done depending on the style of the photographer/model
Nov 15 12 10:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Dane Halo
Posts: 1,128
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Kenzphotos 2 wrote:

Yes, I agree. 

The OP could possibly just move to the Middle East. He already lives in the desert, so the heat would be no problem for him. There are no nude photo shoots there.  He might possibly enjoy taking photographs of local Arabic models wearing burkas (
Nov 15 12 11:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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