Why does every offer I get require take off my clothes?
I am in this country for a year getting some technical training and money is little short, so a friend suggested I model for a photographer she knew.
He did offer me paying work so I accepted. He said I needed a variety of shots includes some sexy shots to round out my portfolio and get noticed, and i agree as long as nothing too naked involved. That shoot went well even though there was more exposure than I was expecting. But came a nice selection of shots for my initial portfolio. This lead to another shoot with another photographer which turned out to be a very bad experience which I hope never repeat. Based on that experience, I decided nude work was not for me.
But since posting my port, all I get is requests where I have to take off most or all of my clothes. And looking through all ports of the photographers who have contacted me all I see are naked women. This contacts don't seem to read my port where I indicate clearly I am only interested in fashion type work.
The one fashion photographer who contacted me and who I went to see, said he wanted to test shoot me in several outfits. He said to try on without any underwear to avoid lines. This made sense, but when I asked where change, he said right before the lights so it would not take up much time. I agreed thinking he would just shoot when the outfits were on in place, but no, he shot continuously whether i was dressed or not. And this was for a test. And I was not paid anything!!!
Looking through some of the other ports, I am seriously wondered that I might be injured or attacked based on some weird stuff some photographers shoot. And most everyone want to shoot for no money or to cause me to lose money instead make money. Is there any legitimate work for me or is MM another scam?
Designit - Edward Olson wrote: You are being taken advantage of. You must stand up for yourself. Do not do anything that you are not comfortable doing.
Never let a photographer watch you dress. EVER. Especially if it's only for a fashion shoot! Come on girl use your brain!
NEVER undress or do ANYTHING you don't want to do. I'll say it again: Never do anything you don't WANT to do.
NEVER let a photographer touch you/grope you, even if they are making the excuse to 'posing' you or 're-positioning' you. Tell them that you can move on your own wither verbal direction. If they insist on touching you, it should only be something like moving your hand or fingers.
If a photographer, or hell ANYONE, trys to take advantage of you, grope you or sexually harass you in any other way, walk the fuck OUT of the studio and report them to the police!!!
Check references for photographers! This means, look in their credits or look for models they have worked with before and message them. Ask the models if the photographer is legitimate or if he is a creep. Ask several models, especially if you get a weird vibe.
If you still have a bad feeling about a photographer after this, DO NOT work with him! Sometimes your gut can be smarter than your brain.
This really should be common sense, but I hope you learn something from this.
Robert Beyer
Posts: 159
Wolverine Lake, Michigan, US
From my perspective,
All it takes is a bad experience like that to ruin the trust of an entire population of models. I would recommend only working with photographers who have good references and a track record of being professional. Please don't let that bad experience dissuade you from your goals. People are both good and bad in any profession and you're bound to run into the bad ones as you go. Never be afraid to leave a bad situation. A professional would never push you out of your comfort zone. All photographers suffer the repercussions of the few nasty ones.
Petra_Love wrote: Is there any legitimate work for me or is MM another scam?
Firsts, MM is not scam.
Second, MM is not place to make money. If you can't see that, you have much bigger issue to deal with.
Lastly, reveal and revise your screening procedure, methods, and criteria. There are some top notched working photographers here whose work can be seen in major media.
In four of the photos you have posted you are wearing only a bra and panties so you pretty much have taken your clothes off. In two of the photos you have up you are wearing what looks like a short nightie and a garter belt and stockings so you may as well have taken your clothes off.
I would suggest you remove the photos that would suggest or imply that you will take your clothes off and look for photographers who are willing to photograph you in Fashion and Glamour themes. Also, you can put up a Casting Call here to locate photographers who will do Fashion/Glamour photography.
To those who have suggested that you are being taken advantage of my response is that you can't take advantage of the willing . . .
Here's an excellent post by Madame Bink, one of the best known and most successful art nude models in the UK. She's been modelling (mostly nude) for 5 years and has never had a serious problem with a photographer because she uses her head and takes reasonable precautions, including checking references, before working with somebody for the first time.
Petra_Love wrote: Why does every offer I get require take off my clothes?
I am in this country for a year getting some technical training and money is little short, so a friend suggested I model for a photographer she knew.
He did offer me paying work so I accepted. He said I needed a variety of shots includes some sexy shots to round out my portfolio and get noticed, and i agree as long as nothing too naked involved. That shoot went well even though there was more exposure than I was expecting. But came a nice selection of shots for my initial portfolio. This lead to another shoot with another photographer which turned out to be a very bad experience which I hope never repeat. Based on that experience, I decided nude work was not for me.
But since posting my port, all I get is requests where I have to take off most or all of my clothes. And looking through all ports of the photographers who have contacted me all I see are naked women. This contacts don't seem to read my port where I indicate clearly I am only interested in fashion type work.
The one fashion photographer who contacted me and who I went to see, said he wanted to test shoot me in several outfits. He said to try on without any underwear to avoid lines. This made sense, but when I asked where change, he said right before the lights so it would not take up much time. I agreed thinking he would just shoot when the outfits were on in place, but no, he shot continuously whether i was dressed or not. And this was for a test. And I was not paid anything!!!
Looking through some of the other ports, I am seriously wondered that I might be injured or attacked based on some weird stuff some photographers shoot. And most everyone want to shoot for no money or to cause me to lose money instead make money. Is there any legitimate work for me or is MM another scam?
Every shoot? or Every shoot that you accept?
It is really easy to generalize, when most statements are based on personal experience.
Maybe you should do your due diligence, before agreeing to do a shoot.
I would also recommend that you state your parameters, BEFORE you agree to do a shoot, not when you're in the middle of a room, and some guy is telling you to change in front of him.
I can see this thread going badly pretty quickly, but at your age, there really is no excuse for you to put yourself in the situations you described.
Rachael Bueckert wrote: Never let a photographer watch you dress. EVER. Especially if it's only for a fashion shoot! Come on girl use your brain!
NEVER undress or do ANYTHING you don't want to do. I'll say it again: Never do anything you don't WANT to do.
NEVER let a photographer touch you/grope you, even if they are making the excuse to 'posing' you or 're-positioning' you. Tell them that you can move on your own wither verbal direction. If they insist on touching you, it should only be something like moving your hand or fingers.
If a photographer, or hell ANYONE, trys to take advantage of you, grope you or sexually harass you in any other way, walk the fuck OUT of the studio and report them to the police!!!
Check references for photographers! This means, look in their credits or look for models they have worked with before and message them. Ask the models if the photographer is legitimate or if he is a creep. Ask several models, especially if you get a weird vibe.
If you still have a bad feeling about a photographer after this, DO NOT work with him! Sometimes your gut can be smarter than your brain.
This really should be common sense, but I hope you learn something from this.
There's nothing inherently wrong with touching a model, WITH PERMISSION. And there's nothing particularly wrong with seeing her change, if it's the MODEL'S idea, usually at a nude shoot. But taking pictures of her changing during a fashion shoot, and a lot of the rest of it, is really creepy.
2020 Photography wrote: In four of the photos you have posted you are wearing only a bra and panties so you pretty much have taken your clothes off. In two of the photos you have up you are wearing what looks like a short nightie and a garter belt and stockings so you may as well have taken your clothes off.
I would suggest you remove the photos that would suggest or imply that you will take your clothes off and look for photographers who are willing to photograph you in Fashion and Glamour themes. Also, you can put up a Casting Call here to locate photographers who will do Fashion/Glamour photography.
To those who have suggested that you are being taken advantage of my response is that you can't take advantage of the willing . . .
Posing in lingerie is not the same as posing nude. Either is fine, if it's the model's wishes.
2020 Photography wrote: In four of the photos you have posted you are wearing only a bra and panties so you pretty much have taken your clothes off. In two of the photos you have up you are wearing what looks like a short nightie and a garter belt and stockings so you may as well have taken your clothes off.
I would suggest you remove the photos that would suggest or imply that you will take your clothes off and look for photographers who are willing to photograph you in Fashion and Glamour themes. Also, you can put up a Casting Call here to locate photographers who will do Fashion/Glamour photography.
To those who have suggested that you are being taken advantage of my response is that you can't take advantage of the willing . . .
I only agree with the advice in practical terms, but not in principal.
You should be allowed to post whatever you wish in your portfolio. If you don't want to do a nude shoot, and you haven't agreed to do a nude shoot, then you should not feel coerced to do a nude shoot.
I do understand your train of thought, because some people actually have expectations prior to hiring a llama, based on their portfolios, but you're implying that "she's asking for it", based on her portfolio, regardless of what she agreed to shoot.
The last statement is poignant, because at no point did I read anything about you disagreeing to shoot nudes.
Obviously you're not llamaing as a career. You just want extra cash, and if you do not have a problem shooting nudes, then you should just embrace it and make money, or look for a different type of work (if the offers dry up).
I would say by your experience with the guy that said to change and kept shooting, that he isn't a pro tog, but a serious example of a gwc. But as others have said this is where the alarm bells should have gone off. And to limit the requests on nude work remove any hint from your profile no implies or nudes in there may stop the lurkers. The other thing to do is get a contract even for tfp which stipulates type of shoot, duration and what you get compensated for.
It wouldn't hurt to name and shame or at least post a bad reference for the tog on your profile so other models don't get caught out like that too.
First, you have run into bad photographers. Most on MM are good and gentlemen. 2nd, you have pics in your port that say you will take your clothes off. Replace them with fashion photos. Lastly, On the most part, if you want to get paid on MM, you have to do nude. There are exceptions, but mostly you have to get nude to be paid. There are too many beautiful girls on here willing to pose for TFCD.
You have received good advice on here, just do what they advise you to do. And, check out your photographers before you work with them by messaging girls they have already worked with.
moz photography wrote: I would say by your experience with the guy that said to change and kept shooting, that he isn't a pro tog, but a serious example of a gwc. But as others have said this is where the alarm bells should have gone off. And to limit the requests on nude work remove any hint from your profile no implies or nudes in there may stop the lurkers. The other thing to do is get a contract even for tfp which stipulates type of shoot, duration and what you get compensated for.
It wouldn't hurt to name and shame or at least post a bad reference for the tog on your profile so other models don't get caught out like that too.
Pro togs can be GWC's too, and vice versa. The second you present a contract to pro togs, I can assure you she will lose 99% of the pro togs out there.
You are very close in height / measurements to agency standard for fashion work. You are right to be seeking opportunities to test with fashion oriented photographers.
I am not honestly not seeing an adequate quality of posing for that work in your existing portfolio, but many photographers are open to shooting with those who are in the early learning stages (including myself)
Aim to test with the best people you can find (in terms of portfolio quality) and do not be put off by rejection. Also learning to check references (ie contact models who have worked with the photographer) can be a good idea (but not foolproof).
I think beginning models are safer avoiding those photographers who do not credit their models as well - though some who do not are very legitimate and have rationale for not doing so.
2020 Photography wrote: In four of the photos you have posted you are wearing only a bra and panties so you pretty much have taken your clothes off. In two of the photos you have up you are wearing what looks like a short nightie and a garter belt and stockings so you may as well have taken your clothes off.
I would suggest you remove the photos that would suggest or imply that you will take your clothes off and look for photographers who are willing to photograph you in Fashion and Glamour themes. Also, you can put up a Casting Call here to locate photographers who will do Fashion/Glamour photography.
To those who have suggested that you are being taken advantage of my response is that you can't take advantage of the willing . . .
Art of the nude wrote: Posing in lingerie is not the same as posing nude. Either is fine, if it's the model's wishes.
exactly! i'll do lingerie but i am NOT comfortable being fully nude. and am honestly a bit annoyed when people seem to expect me to expose the full monty just because i may show most of my body.
2020 Photography wrote: To those who have suggested that you are being taken advantage of my response is that you can't take advantage of the willing . . .
...really?!
you don't think that a model may be uncomfortable saying no, or may possibly be guilt-tripped into doing things they don't want to do?
like seriously this sentiment blows my mind, unfortunately it calls to mind the quote, "you can't rape the willing," although i pray that no one actually believes that.
and no i'm not trying to say it's the same thing at all, was just something that brought it to mind
You must say no to any nude before you shoot if you honestly will not do one. Do not let yourself feel pressured, if that is the case. It may be wise to bring a model friend along to help you with makeup, clothes, etc.
People will not book you for fashion without fashion pictures in your portfolio. There are models who have more experience, a better look, or with better portfolios who are getting paid work. Just posting a profile is far from enough to get paid work.
there are lots of nude llamas and photographers here but no one should feel forced into doing anything they don't want to do (either in terms of the type of shoot or in terms of things they are asked to do on set). there is plenty of room for clothed llamas and clothed photographers, especially on trade shoots. if you are looking to get paid by photographers then it may be true that more opportunities will exist when you are ready to take your clothes off.
i'd say get rid of anything in your portfolio that you don't want to shoot and maybe remove genres like glamour and lingerie if you don't want to do those. and then look around and start contacting photographers where you like their portfolio or put out a casting call and see if you can find some trade opportunities.
for my part i really enjoy working with llamas who have great wardrobe.
Michael Spring
Posts: 174
London, England, United Kingdom
Not everyone shoots nudes Petra.... why don't you put your own casting call up for the type of work you WANT to do. Not read the thread so my appolagies if that was already said.
yes. get a MUA and do some great headshots. maybe that will repel some of the horndogs.
Fred Gerhart wrote: I would also recommend giving your portfolio a fashion makeover beginning with a killer head shot. Your port yells "Lets shoot naked"!
Fred Gerhart wrote: I would also recommend giving your portfolio a fashion makeover beginning with a killer head shot. Your port yells "Lets shoot naked"!
Yep! this ^^^^^^
Based on your current portfolio, I would presume that you shoot implieds and possibly nudes.
Even though many models profiles say that they don't shoot nudes, many of them do. I would presume you to be one of those.
Note: Based on advise received in response to this post (many thanks) I conclude:
1. Not my imagination that weirdo crazies contact me. Maybe facebook better since they ban bad jokers there.
2. Change profile to say "nothing involving taking off all my clothes or nude work". Hope that stop weird photographers from contacting me.
3. Pay work not possible here. Maybe other free sites better for paid work
4. As for touching, sometimes necessary to avoid serious injury or worse, as I learned in bad experience shoot.
5. Hard to say no in advance, harder in middle of shoot when spread legged between two ladders which could collapse at any moment.
Dawn-Marie94
Posts: 453
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
+1000
Rachael Bueckert wrote: Never let a photographer watch you dress. EVER. Especially if it's only for a fashion shoot! Come on girl use your brain!
NEVER undress or do ANYTHING you don't want to do. I'll say it again: Never do anything you don't WANT to do.
NEVER let a photographer touch you/grope you, even if they are making the excuse to 'posing' you or 're-positioning' you. Tell them that you can move on your own wither verbal direction. If they insist on touching you, it should only be something like moving your hand or fingers.
If a photographer, or hell ANYONE, trys to take advantage of you, grope you or sexually harass you in any other way, walk the fuck OUT of the studio and report them to the police!!!
Check references for photographers! This means, look in their credits or look for models they have worked with before and message them. Ask the models if the photographer is legitimate or if he is a creep. Ask several models, especially if you get a weird vibe.
If you still have a bad feeling about a photographer after this, DO NOT work with him! Sometimes your gut can be smarter than your brain.
This really should be common sense, but I hope you learn something from this.
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