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Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,384
Upland, California, US


To OP --

The images you're speaking of is the result of your collaboration with the photographer. It goes both ways.


Gabby
Jun 13 12 07:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Jun 13 12 07:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,384
Upland, California, US


To Kelly Y --

You're welcome.

Taking responsiblity for a collaborative project goes with the territory.


Gabby
Jun 13 12 07:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mosttry
Posts: 1,327
Los Angeles, California, US


Well...I haven't read the whole thread...but assuming the problems are colored lines due to lensflare?  badcamera?  and bad lighting....it's POSSIBLE...MAYBE...there's a really talented retoucher that can work some magic...basically making the poor photo into more of a digital painting.  But...you'd have to find a really talented person to do that.

But if stuff is out of focus...meh...live and learn...sometimes the bar bites you...
Jun 13 12 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joseph William
Posts: 2,022
Chicago, Illinois, US


I guess all you can do is not work with photographers whos work you don't like. Giveing a guy a few chances to make good is generous, but some where between two and twelve shoots you have to realize that he ain't gettin any better.  As far as the lines in the images maybe there is something wrong with his camera or cd burner.  Have you shown him what the files look like?
Jun 13 12 07:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


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Stormee
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Jun 13 12 07:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,384
Upland, California, US


To Kelly Y --

The part where you agreed to collaborate with him. That makes sense.


Gabby
Jun 13 12 07:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


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Gems of Nature in N Atl
Posts: 1,334
North Atlanta, Georgia, US


12 times!! are you nuts? come on, you are reinforcing the poor performance... really? 12 times...
Jun 13 12 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,657
Orlando, Florida, US


Kelly  Y wrote:

And what part of the shoot should I take responsiblity for ?, The shaking on his hands?,the blue and red lines on each image?,the black holes were my eyes should be?,please let me know so I can understand...please!

The TEN shoots after he failed to deliver a first and a second time.

Jun 13 12 07:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


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Stormee
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Good Egg Productions
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Orlando, Florida, US


Kelly  Y wrote:

I guess I am misunderstood...I found a very few from other shoots with him to use,but the last shoot...NONE!

I guess I'm the one who is misunderstanding.   You said he was bad to start and got worse and worse.  I assumed the first shoot with him was unacceptable.  I assumed incorrectly.

Jun 13 12 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Garry k
Posts: 27,102
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Kelly  Y wrote:
I have given him chances...12 of them...all being TFCD's but he just got worse and worse...I am not using him any longer!

well , 13 is a lucky number for some folks ,,,,,

Jun 13 12 08:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
Posts: 2,463
San Antonio, Texas, US


Jun 13 12 08:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,472
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Kelly  Y wrote:
working with a photog. in a TFCD which there wasn't even one useable image due to lighting ,a shaking of photog's hands,blue and/or red lines on face and body (I guess due to new camra lens)?

Ask for a reshoot....

Jun 13 12 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


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Stormee
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Mark Salo
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Olney, Maryland, US


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JAE
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West Chester, Pennsylvania, US


12 times is crazy.  Just go work with other people.  You aren't obligated to make him suck less.
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Stormee
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Stormee
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Stormee
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Essex Junction, Vermont, US


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Stormee
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Jun 13 12 08:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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IrisSwope
Posts: 14,852
Dallas, Texas, US


Ya know we can find his portfolio with the info you gave us....
Jun 13 12 08:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


Jun 13 12 08:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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DaG
Posts: 2,784
Los Angeles, California, US


RacerXPhoto wrote:
"  Is there anything on model can do about ..."
Bad Images

What do you propose ?
Firing Squad
Lawsuit
Bad Karma
???

lol

Jun 13 12 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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GHWatson
Posts: 550
WINSTON SALEM, North Carolina, US


Sue him, it's the 'in' thing to do these days
Jun 13 12 09:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dan Dozer
Posts: 586
La Quinta, California, US


I'm a little surprised that no one hasn't mentioned this yet.  If you have at least a few images that have good color and focus, try cropping out part of the image to get a smaller close up.  You might be amazed at what you can come up with using only part of the original photograph.  I do that frequently and many times have come up with images that are far better then the overall ones.
Jun 13 12 09:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sabine Luise
Posts: 890
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Azimuth Arts wrote:
If there are some really great poses and the image is in focus you could see if there is a retoucher who could correct the colour and exposure.

I like the retouching idea. I have done this before. smile

Jun 13 12 09:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


Jun 13 12 09:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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-Ira
Posts: 2,187
New York, New York, US


Yes, retouching can sometimes "save" an image.  Which I've done myself (big fan of shooting RAW just in case).  But quite frankly if none of the other images in a shoot came out well than the "saved" image will most likely not be much better.  Perhaps in web form but almost certainly not in print.

My advice going forward:  If the second attempt doesn't yield substantially better results than its time to cut your losses and move on.  Better yet, be more proactive during a TFP shoot.  Periodically check the results.  It's best to see them on a monitor rather than the back of the camera.  If you're not happy then speak up.  The compensation in a trade shoot is the final image...so if you're not getting anything usable you are not getting "paid".
Jun 13 12 10:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Stormee
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San Antonio, Texas, US


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Stormee
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Jun 13 12 10:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,861
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


You might consider CAMing the guy if it's possible that the images in his portfolio are not his own work.  The Mods could have had other complaints about the guy that might add up to something work looking into.

The Mods might also be able to spot stylistic and technical differences between his portfolio pics that could indicate they weren't taken by the same person.
Jun 13 12 10:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dawn-Marie94
Posts: 453
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada


lol

Neil Snape wrote:

Ask for a reshoot....

Jun 13 12 10:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charles H Photography
Posts: 39
Augusta, Georgia, US


I'm sorry, but 12 times is just way too much.  If I messed up twice in a row, I would at least stop until I took some classes.  I'm sure someone would be able to show me what I was doing wrong and how to fix it.  If that didn't help, I'd just hand the camera over to my wife and let her do whatever with it.

I'm a beginner in this industry still, but I enjoy trying new styles and techniques.  If I find something's not working, I move on to something different.  I believe it's not the camera or lens that makes a great photograph, but the vision and heart of the artist(s).
Jun 13 12 10:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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