Session36 Photography wrote: But there is obviously a need for better quality photo products out there or they would not be sold an with this in mind maybe I wanna craft my skills on a different product. Since the majority of the posts seem to agree it's more about the user and (I agree to an extend) how about you send me your high end camera and let the me suffer poor image quality as rookie and I'll send you my 20D and you can continue with your amazing images. I'll cover shipping both ways. The small LCD on the 20D is enough to make me wanna throw it against a wall. The point of a better lens makes a lot of sense so will see if I can give it a try. if my post is worthy of a YAWN", try skipping it next time as it will have the same impact (shrugging my shoulders) Thanks for the kind feedback,
Excellent idea and I'm sure all who said it's about skill of shooter not camera will take you up on it.
I have in my household Canon 20d, 50d, 7d and Nikon d90. Last one I want is 20d. Why? Not as good a camera for fast motion, can't enlarge as big. Canons got progressively better in low light, 7d best of those 3 but Nikon d90 better by far but lower Res so can't enlarge as big.
They do get old, functions do get better, skills get better and you outgrow - just like you outgrow any starter camera.
Just so's you know Canon and Nikon lenses are not interchangeable. Best to stick with one. I pampermy Nikon and am ready for an upgrade. Doing much more action, low lightshooting. YOUR needs determine when you need upgrade. Not pictures in a magazine.
Good Egg Productions wrote: The sensor has far less to do with the sharpness of the images it produces than the lenses.
Instead of investing in a new body, I would suggest investing in an L lens for your Canon. Or rent one and see if that makes you happy.
I see no justification for you to switch brands.
Session36 Photography wrote: Now, I have this urge to get a new camera and thinking of going NIKON as there is something sharp and HD looking about NIKON images or at least in my opinion...
I believe he's referring to how much more Dynamic Range images produced by Nikon cameras tend to have. I could be mistaken, however. I would note that in my experiences Canon's produce sharper images right out of the camera, but that's because the in-camera sharpening tends to be set sharper by default, and that only applies to jpegs anyhow (in-camera settings). So I agree with Good Egg, image-sharpness is no reason to switch brands. Unless you're shooting jpegs or TIFFs only (I've yet to find a point to shooting 8-bit TIFFs in-camera!)
Jerry Nemeth wrote: I upgraded from a 20D to a 7D.
Not exactly an upgrade...bought a 7D to backup my T2i... really wanted a 1Dx not available... no 5D3 at the time either sucky situation. only 7D's... I think Canon has better lens quality...especially the "L" series. I have Nikon also. I use whatever works. It's a tool. that's all it is.
If you already own Canon, why on earth would you switch to a different brand? If you stick with Canon then all your lenses are interchangeable. Yes you can buy adapters, but unless you plan on completely switching over, I'd just stick with Canon.
On a budget, invest in lenses before investing in a new camera body. This will get you more bang for buck. If money were no object then I'd recommend getting a new body too, but it isn't so you need to decide..
And canon or nikon can produce equally sharp photos. It's the lens and the post production which are most important for this. The body is less important.
You have lenses with large zoom ranges. Not the best thing for getting images with great definition.
fast quality prime lenses help to create better definition in your photos. (can also turn out a lot cheaper.
learn how to use that lens if you buy it. each lens has strengths and weaknesses. if you like sharp subjects and blurry backgrounds, get a telephoto prime. I love my sigma 85mm f1.4 and my 105mm f2.8 macro is insanely sharp!
More megapixels means bigger photos, not better photos. Higher dynamic range is more important for events than it is for fashion and model photography. The reason is because you have more control over lighting in model shoots and if you make a mistake, you can shoot it again.
I would suggest investing in prime lenses for this reason. take some time with it and try using it at all f-stops to understand where you like it.
You may surprise yourself
Session36 Photography wrote: I have this urge to get a new camera and thinking of going NIKON as there is something sharp and HD looking about NIKON images or at least in my opinion, so perhaps the Nikon D5100 or D700 as the price point is in my budget it. THANKS
D5100 owner here... that little camera ROCKS... same sensor as the more expensive D7000 but in a more compact body with a swivel LCD screen. I highly recomment it...
Shot with the D5100 at the Renaissance Faire a few months ago... using it again this Wednesday at the (3 model) Laguna Beach 'Weekday Beach Minishoot'...
Almost everything in my portfolio is shot with a 20d. Great little camera.
What exactly do you feel about the 20d is limiting you?
Need to make bigger prints? Shooting for a stock company that demands 50 meg TIFF files?
Need faster focus in low light situations?
Need waterproof seals?
Need more bokeh?
Since you say you want to shoot fashion, I'd say stick with the 20d for a while until you have exhausted all its possibilities.
I agree with others who said put the money into sharp glass or lighting and don't chase the latest greatest camera bodies. The glass and lighting will hold their value. The camera bodies will be paper weights in 5 years.
David J Martin wrote: Wow, you held out past a couple of upgrades. I'm a Canon user too. Best thing you can do after establishing your price point is rent or borrow the camera and check the test shots on PS. Might help you to test it with L glass too. Don't really use Nikon, but same applies.
If I were in your shoes, I'd skip the 60D super rebel and go with a 7D if you're looking prosumer. I'll be upping to a 5D3 from a 50D myself. Check the MTF charts for your 28-135 vs. L glass to get an idea of what glass to try.
Many people seem to want to give the 60D a bad rap for whatever reason, and I have both the 60D and the 7D and use both while shooting. I can never tell which one I had used by looking at the images.
The 7D loves being matched to the 70-200 for outdoor action, but the 60D keeps up too.
Here is what I like about the 60D:
SD card slot
Slightly smaller and lighter.
Better battery performance.
Built in wireless ( 7D has that too )
Less capital investment $$
If I am travelling, it is the 60D I pack. Next person that implies it is not rugged should try rapping one against their head and see what breaks first.. ( just joking ) Seriously it is a rugged camera and just becasue it doesn't have a magnesium frame doesn't mean it will not stand up. BTW, I heard they are building aircraft wings and fuselages out of fibre instead of metal.
7D has advantages like a better focus systema and wether sealing but it is also 25% more $$.
Speaking of the 7D, any rumours about it being replaced as it first came out in 2009?
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the OP's glass isn't that good anyhow. What most people here are intimating is to put a $10,000 saddle on a $10.00 horse or there abouts.
One plus to jump ship is if anyone remembers Canon screwed their customers awhile back when they changed mounts. Nikon hasn't and has used the same "F" mount system for decades meaning there is a lot of excellent older glass out there that can be had very cheaply and still be used. Can't be said for Canon.
All the OP needs to look for is a body with both AFS and screw drive focusing systems and there are a lot of those out there too. D200, D300's, D3's, D700's, D7000's. Stay away from the little bodies with only AFS systems and can take only "G" glass.
Do a little research and you see the many possibilities available.
A N D E R S O N wrote: A photographer was telling me about this magazine issue he is being featured in where the photographers were asked to shoot with disposable cameras. Pretty cool, really shows that it's the artist not the gear.
Session36 Photography wrote: I have a Canon 20D with a 28-135 and 19-55 mm lens. I do a lot of photojournalism and street photography as well as editorial and fashion shoots usually outdoors.. (I want to work on getting a backdrop and 1 or 2 lights). Now, I have this urge to get a new camera and thinking of going NIKON as there is something sharp and HD looking about NIKON images or at least in my opinion, so perhaps the Nikon D5100 or D700 as the price point is in my budget it. or I can perhaps get the canon60D and call it a day.. Any opinions? I really wanna focus on fashion photography and need an upgrade from my 20D THANKS
When I shot for Pulitzer then later Lee Enterprises it was Canon. First the worst designed piece of garbage camera the D30. The the most excellent 1D. During my time with Lee, I bought Nikon and later switched to shooting my own gear at Lee.
The big the difference was not the lens selection nor the senors it was how I like the action of the camera system. Basically the way the AF controls worked and the user interface. I like the ergonomics and and the way the shutter released. Also the lenses did not focus backwards like Canon lenses.
I would suggest trying the camera maybe renting the camera for a day or two. See how it feels and how like the action of the camera.
I would worry less about which camera system allows you to shoot lasers out of your ears and focus on building a good set of core lenses because cameras tend to change very quickly now while good glass lasts a lot longer.
So basically find what is comfortable for you to shoot and then focus more on glass first then camera second.
Phil Drinkwater wrote: This thread is 9 months old...
How is it they get resurrected?
I've wondered this; could it be that people do a 'search' somewhere on a topic that interests them and when zombie threads get thrown up they hit 'reply' without really looking at the date of the original post?
I can't imagine they scroll down months and months of threads on the Forum pages.