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Skye Silverwolf
Posts: 71
Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada


Over the years, I have had quite a few successful photoshoots where both the photographer and I had a strong rapport on set, and we were very happy with the photos, sometimes going through them together after the shoot and deciding which ones were the best, and would be edited (I've been lucky to have some say in which photos I recieve back on occasion) and yet quite often, I see that they don't post any of the images in their portfolio. If the shots were strong and they were pleased with them, why not use them? Don't get me wrong, i'm not unhappy about it, just curious because this has happened more often than not lately.

Thanks,

Annalise
Jun 24 12 02:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
CamiAnn
Posts: 794
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I've had the same problem and I don't get it either, but I'm happy to have the pics to use in my port anyway.
Jun 24 12 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mask Photo
Posts: 1,396
Fremont, California, US


Annalise Blackwood wrote:
quite often, I see that they don't post any of the images in their portfolio. If the shots were strong and they were pleased with them, why not use them? Don't get me wrong, i'm not unhappy about it, just curious because this has happened more often than not lately.

from my perspective, I only have 3 slots open in my mayhem, so it has to be better than what's there to supplant the current work.

Also, I tend to not process my own selects from a shoot for a while. Sometimes a long while; i'm often tired of staring at a concept after i've processed the team's choices, and since I don't have a deadline myself, i'll push off my own preferences. This means that I might not have a processed select of my own from the shoot for months.

I'll often just post the model's pick in my port, but not always, if i don't think it represents my best work from a photographic point of view.

Jun 24 12 03:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ironworx Productions
Posts: 284
Seneca, South Carolina, US


Sometimes I simply forget to post or if MM is having an upload issue I will forget all together. I just uploaded some images I shot 6 months ago or longer.

My paid work comes from music videos and motion picture these days so that's top priority, If I shoot a model it's just for fun or they contact me for a shoot.

B
Jun 24 12 03:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Huey Hughes
Posts: 56
Suffolk, Virginia, US


Have you ever tried asking the specific photographer(s) in question?  There is no way the general population of Model Mayhem can second guess an unknown photographer's preferences.

good luck.........
Jun 24 12 03:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Roy Nelson Photos
Posts: 206
West Hollywood, California, US


Some photos become old friends that are hard to displace.  I try to keep the right spectra of work that reflects my current interest.  A new photo may just not help my portfolio.
Jun 24 12 03:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
ArtistryImage
Posts: 2,714
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Annalise Blackwood wrote:
...not posting images...

On Mayhem?  Doesn't work for me...  the lion's share of my assignments are from other web presence... i.e. my commercial web site... besides Mayhem doesn't focus much on Bridal and Weddings... sadly...  Mayhem is pretty much for hobbyist and such... commercial clients are looking elsewhere, hope this makes sense...

Jun 24 12 03:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Miss AY
Posts: 8,164
Portland, Maine, US


I asked a photographer who had hired me twice why he rarely (never) updated his portfolio since I knew he had been shooting me and other girls. The said the reason was that he had already filled his portfolio completely and didn't want to have to delete a photo and lose all the comments/views.
Jun 24 12 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
O b s c u r a L L C
Posts: 616
New York, New York, US


Different strokes is one reason.

Another reason is that they simply do not see any value in adding said images to their port. And now with the "credited photos" option on MM, there is even less incentive.
Jun 24 12 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6,326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Annalise Blackwood wrote:
Over the years, I have had quite a few successful photoshoots where both the photographer and I had a strong rapport on set, and we were very happy with the photos, sometimes going through them together after the shoot and deciding which ones were the best, and would be edited (I've been lucky to have some say in which photos I recieve back on occasion) and yet quite often, I see that they don't post any of the images in their portfolio. If the shots were strong and they were pleased with them, why not use them? Don't get me wrong, i'm not unhappy about it, just curious because this has happened more often than not lately.

Thanks,

Annalise

I just did a back up of all my images.. and I'm not exaggerating... I have 100s of THOUSANDS of photos.... They might be strong and great images, but a portfolio should be only so big.. I'm not posting everything from every shoot.

Jun 24 12 04:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wysiwyg Photography
Posts: 6,326
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Augustine York wrote:
I asked a photographer who had hired me twice why he rarely (never) updated his portfolio since I knew he had been shooting me and other girls. The said the reason was that he had already filled his portfolio completely and didn't want to have to delete a photo and lose all the comments/views.

Just my opinion, but that's a horrible reason to keep an image.

Jun 24 12 04:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Trisha Bowyer
Posts: 1,311
Martinsburg, West Virginia, US


personally, i'm lazy, have filled all my spots and have other things to do and update. My images here are years old...i've shot a lot since then but I just don't care to update here. It's probably nothing personal. But what do I know?
Jun 24 12 04:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,085
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Nothing I've shot since the first week of January has made it into my portfolio yet. I have all the post-processing I can handle right now with photos for clients, models, MUAs, stylists and for publication. Just selecting the photos to retouch takes several times longer than the shoot itself.

As soon as I get another 9,000 or so images resized to fit on a CD to submit for copyright registration, I'm going to start working on a portfolio update. (How long have I been telling myself that?)

Sometimes I put stuff that's pending publication in a password-protected folder (magazines don't like to publish photos that have been on the Internet, even in a public portfolio) for prospective clients or models who are interested in shooting with me to see.

One of these days...
Jun 24 12 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 2,746
London, England, United Kingdom


MM is really just for the forums these days. It doesn't have the same networking facilities ad Facebook. I post there first and every once in a while I upload here.

www.Facebook.com/darren.brade
Jun 24 12 05:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dms graphix
Posts: 1,079
Wayne, Pennsylvania, US


Two things:

A.  After a closer look, maybe the photographer decided the pics were not that great, after all.  Or maybe they did not add what he wanted to his port -- diversity, particular style, whatever.

B.  That door swings both ways.  I've had great shots of llama that they never posted. 

Bottom line, just figure that your pics are for you.  If you are happy with them and can do with them what you like, that should be all that matters, right?  Don't worry if the other person uses them.
Jun 24 12 05:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,241
Orlando, Florida, US


Reading the replies, I've got to agree with almost everything.

1.  I'm lazy.
2.  Facebook is just easier and a more effective place to post, get meaningful feedback, and quicker interaction for future work.
3.  I have LITERALLY over a thousand shots that I have singled out as my favorites and they are in a slideshow that runs when I have people over.  I have LITERALLY over a thousand others that I've finished retouching that either just didn't make that cut, or haven't been included yet.

I shoot 3 times a week on average.  Each of those shoots produces anywhere from 3 to 15 good images that I'd love to include somewhere.  MM is toward the bottom of my priority list for updating.
Jun 24 12 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
John Jebbia
Posts: 27,612
Phoenix, Arizona, US


We don't post them because it saves us the trouble of having to remove them 3 months later when the model changes her mind or gets a new boyfriend.
Jun 24 12 05:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JGraham
Posts: 22
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Port on MM is full and, as already stated, doesnt want to delete and lose comments.  Also if the images are not groundbreaking in terms of something they dont have in there port, then its likely they will not delete to make room.
Jun 24 12 05:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Skye Silverwolf
Posts: 71
Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada


Great answers, all of you. Thanks big_smile
Jun 24 12 06:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Just because I'm 'pleased' with a shot doesn't mean it will automatically fit in my portfolio.

Most of my personal testing is speculative - ie. I'm trying out new ideas or techniques, maybe a new lighting setup. The resulting images might be cool, but that doesn't mean they will appeal to my prospective clients or sell me in the way that I need. So often I will use a few shots on my blog or tumblr but not necessarily in my portfolio or on my website. Often, ironically, it's those shots that I personally like the best, but I have to look at the overall impact of my work rather than simply picking the shots that I prefer.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Jun 24 12 06:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
291
Posts: 11,911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US


B R U N E S C I wrote:
Just because I'm 'pleased' with a shot doesn't mean it will automatically fit in my portfolio.

Most of my personal testing is speculative - ie. I'm trying out new ideas or techniques, maybe a new lighting setup. The resulting images might be cool, but that doesn't mean they will appeal to my prospective clients or sell me in the way that I need. So often I will use a few shots on my blog or tumblr but not necessarily in my portfolio or on my website. Often, ironically, it's those shots that I personally like the best, but I have to look at the overall impact of my work rather than simply picking the shots that I prefer.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

this pretty much nails it from those who are producing a high-level of work who only showcase the best of the best or choose to have a portfolio flow in a certain direction. 

nothing for a model to worry about, themes change and the work produced may come up at another more fitting time.

Jun 24 12 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
291
Posts: 11,911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US


i guess what i wrote was so important the dp monster decided to post it twice...
Jun 24 12 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mellisa Reeves
Posts: 57
Swindon, England, United Kingdom


maybe (like me) they use the free MM account and can only post a limited amount of images, and feel they have the strongest ones up already?
or maybe they are using them as a learning curve, i've done shoots that i've not put the images into my port from, because maybe i'd changed my mind but the shoot was still good practice for me and i learnt something from it
even theough the photos are good, they may not show off the best of their ability?

try not to take offence (if you did feel any)
sometimes models don't use photos in their port,
i've seen one photographer complain about not having his images in a models port, i've also been aggressively confronted about not posting some of the images i've taken
Jun 25 12 12:20 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lovely Day Media
Posts: 3,992
Vineland, New Jersey, US


I tend to wait until I deliver said photos to the model on CD or print (whatever our arrangements are) before I post them on here.  Sometimes I forget.  Other times, I don't feel like going through the hassle of having to resize them so they can be uploaded at that time and then I forget.

  Just as mind boggling to me ... I have seen models post pictures I shot and not give me credit for them.  I have also had models give me credit for pictures I didn't shoot.
Jun 25 12 01:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Herman van Gestel
Posts: 2,115
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


it depends on the rest of his images already on his portfolio...next to above reasons it als depends on the right mixture, and to be able to refresh it....

I have over 500 images on my portfolio of the last 3 years....and soem extremely good ones i needed to remove as i'm aiming for that season for a different kind of clients, or to give a different marketing message...

...and there can be any number of reasons....and sometimes to make a modelhappy , i put it for a short while on my website :p


H.
Jun 25 12 02:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eros Fine Art Photo
Posts: 2,568
Torrance, California, US


Augustine York wrote:
I asked a photographer who had hired me twice why he rarely (never) updated his portfolio since I knew he had been shooting me and other girls. The said the reason was that he had already filled his portfolio completely and didn't want to have to delete a photo and lose all the comments/views.

THIS.

I did that recently and now it looks like I'm some newbie, whose portfolio no one even bothers to look at.  lol

On top of that; even though I might like what I shot with a model, an image HAS TO be better than my weakest shot currently in my portfolio.  I might post it in the critique forum to get some feedback on it, but if' it's only a pretty picture, and not "art", then I won't replace anything.

Jun 25 12 02:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,016
New York, New York, US


Augustine York wrote:
I asked a photographer who had hired me twice why he rarely (never) updated his portfolio since I knew he had been shooting me and other girls. The said the reason was that he had already filled his portfolio completely and didn't want to have to delete a photo and lose all the comments/views.

This is often a consideration.  For myself, I also try to keep my main portfolio balanced in terms of the genres represented there.  Given the two concerns, it's often easier to simply post new pictures to either the pinup or the nude portfolios.  Unfortunately, that leaves everything else pretty much out in the cold.  But then I have some landscapes that I think are absolute dynamite, but I don't post them on Model Mayhem either.

Jun 25 12 08:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPierce Photography
Posts: 19,644
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


I post less on my MM, and more of my facebook/website portfolios lately, since that's where most of my paid work comes from. perhaps your photographers may be doing the same thing?
Jun 25 12 08:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Model
Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


Liking a photo and liking a photo for your portfolio are two completely different things.
Jun 25 12 09:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,910
Albany, New York, US


Annalise Blackwood wrote:
If the shots were strong and they were pleased with them, why not use them? Don't get me wrong, i'm not unhappy about it, just curious because this has happened more often than not lately.

Could be they're just lazy & don't feel like uploading. (I know I'm one of them.)

Could be there are a limited number of available slots on their MM port. (I know I'm one of them.)

Could be there are others that they are simply more fond of. (I know I'm one of them.)

Could be there are images already posted where they're trying to convey something that's better than what was already created. (I know I'm one of them).

Could be they want their port to have be a certain size so as draw more worthwhile attention, instead of having so many that the rest often becomes white noise. (I know I'm one of them.)

Jun 25 12 02:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image Works Photography
Posts: 2,890
Orlando, Florida, US


The same thing I say of models. I have shot many models and only a few had posted my pictures.
Jun 26 12 12:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhotographybyT
Posts: 7,615
Monterey, California, US


It's been a while since I've updated my portfolio and I've had numerous shoots. I guess some of the reasons for not following through are:

1) Not having the right fit - concept wise...
2) Not knowing which ones to delete even though I have an extra 10 slots now...
3) And maybe just plain ol' being a little lazy! (lol) I have another photo sharing site where I post the photos so I don't worry too much about posting them here.

But I do change out my avatar whenever I have a new shoot. I used to change to a new avatar every week but now it's probably like every few weeks or so.
Jun 26 12 12:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CSDewitt Photo
Posts: 608
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Annalise Blackwood wrote:
Over the years, I have had quite a few successful photoshoots where both the photographer and I had a strong rapport on set, and we were very happy with the photos, sometimes going through them together after the shoot and deciding which ones were the best, and would be edited (I've been lucky to have some say in which photos I recieve back on occasion) and yet quite often, I see that they don't post any of the images in their portfolio. If the shots were strong and they were pleased with them, why not use them? Don't get me wrong, i'm not unhappy about it, just curious because this has happened more often than not lately.

Thanks,

Annalise

I have always posted photos of Models, especially if we have chosen photos together.  The only time I MAY remove a photo(s), is if the model is no longer modeling and people are asking to have photo shoot with her.

Jun 26 12 04:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kaostika Studios
Posts: 266
New York, New York, US


I use iphoto and with one Button I can upload to Facebook and Flickr.  With plugins to Zenfolio and I think tumblr.  With MM it is a chore to upload photos.  It may be too big or to large in size.  I cant be bothered.  Also who really sees my work.  On MM like 20 people.  On FB I have hundreds of people that see it.  The fact is that MM is not the best Social network site.
Jun 28 12 12:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CJ Standish
Posts: 228
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Trisha Bowyer wrote:
personally, i'm lazy, have filled all my spots and have other things to do and update. My images here are years old...i've shot a lot since then but I just don't care to update here. It's probably nothing personal. But what do I know?

Ditto. I'm very busy, rarely have a need for model mayhem which I use for TF. This is the first time in a year I've had a real break. That's why I'm playing around on the forums.

You're right - I should probably be updating my portfolios.

Jun 28 12 12:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paul Best
Posts: 1,294
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I like to post every model's photos that i worked with . My portfolio on MM isnt important as much as i like people to see my latest photo's and promote girls that gave thier time to me . we should network more , but few do

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Jun 28 12 01:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Harold Rose
Posts: 2,925
Calhoun, Georgia, US


Annalise Blackwood wrote:
Over the years, I have had quite a few successful photoshoots where both the photographer and I had a strong rapport on set, and we were very happy with the photos, sometimes going through them together after the shoot and deciding which ones were the best, and would be edited (I've been lucky to have some say in which photos I recieve back on occasion) and yet quite often, I see that they don't post any of the images in their portfolio. If the shots were strong and they were pleased with them, why not use them? Don't get me wrong, i'm not unhappy about it, just curious because this has happened more often than not lately.

Thanks,

Annalise

I am probably one of the guilty ones,   BUT most of the time work keeps me from spending time on the portfolio....  The photos that I have up  give a good idea of my work.   I think I have added only one photo in the past 2 years...

Jun 28 12 01:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Incubus Imagery
Posts: 562
Prince George, British Columbia, Canada


It’s a conspiracy brought forth by the photographers in BC. I have said too much I don’t dare say why.  smile
Jun 28 12 01:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Miller Photoworks
Posts: 2,350
Phoenix, Arizona, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Just because I'm 'pleased' with a shot doesn't mean it will automatically fit in my portfolio.

Most of my personal testing is speculative - ie. I'm trying out new ideas or techniques, maybe a new lighting setup. The resulting images might be cool, but that doesn't mean they will appeal to my prospective clients or sell me in the way that I need. So often I will use a few shots on my blog or tumblr but not necessarily in my portfolio or on my website. Often, ironically, it's those shots that I personally like the best, but I have to look at the overall impact of my work rather than simply picking the shots that I prefer.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
StefaNo
www.stefanobrunesci.com

I feel like mm is here just to give a general gist of what I do.  There is no real incentive to update here because unlike tumblr or Facebook people don't get any sort of notification when something is new.  People who have you in their top 12 MAY notice you have a new avi and someone searching for "last updated" MAY see you sooner if they are doing a browse. 

Over time you may notice certain kinds of work being more popular than others... If I have been doing stuff that isn't going to be noticed on mm, or may be great by itself but isn't uniquely better than another shot I already have, then why post it?

Also, I like to get published, and many places won't publish work already posted on the internet.

MM also has a lousy system for displaying work, it's not even worth putting a horizontal image up. 

I could go on for days!

Jun 28 12 03:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,437
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Augustine York wrote:
I asked a photographer who had hired me twice why he rarely (never) updated his portfolio since I knew he had been shooting me and other girls. The said the reason was that he had already filled his portfolio completely and didn't want to have to delete a photo and lose all the comments/views.

I get his point.
However when the images start to bore me, they go.
Or if something new is stronger.

Jul 01 12 11:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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