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PhillipM
Posts: 5,200
Martin, Tennessee, US


Is it my imagination that my Kodak Ektar 127mm on my Graflex, is kind of a wide angle lens, based on what I'm seeing through the ground glass?

Sorry for the stupid question. 

I mean I know it really depends on what I'm going to shoot, but from what I can tell right now, if I wanted to shoot someone from the waist or head / shoulders, the damn thing would almost have to be in their lap...
Jun 26 12 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffs Photography
Posts: 3,608
Dakota, Minnesota, US


That doesn't sound like a wide angle lens.
Jun 26 12 01:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Pat Berrett
Posts: 267
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


If your Graflex is a 4X5 the 127mm is fairly wide.
The "normal" lens (equivalent to a 50mm on 35mm) for a 4X5 is a 210mm.
For portraits something in the 300mm range is nice.
Jun 26 12 02:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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PhillipM
Posts: 5,200
Martin, Tennessee, US


Pat Berrett wrote:
If your Graflex is a 4X5 the 127mm is fairly wide.
The "normal" lens (equivalent to a 50mm on 35mm) for a 4X5 is a 210mm.
For portraits something in the 300mm range is nice.

That's what I was kind of thinking.

Yep, it's a Speed Graphic by Graflex.

Thanks

Jun 26 12 02:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jeffs Photography
Posts: 3,608
Dakota, Minnesota, US


Pat Berrett wrote:
If your Graflex is a 4X5 the 127mm is fairly wide.
The "normal" lens (equivalent to a 50mm on 35mm) for a 4X5 is a 210mm.
For portraits something in the 300mm range is nice.

Thanks for clearing that up for me...I didn't see what camera was being used--and I am not familiar with that format at all.

Jun 26 12 02:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nathan Appel
Posts: 612
San Francisco, California, US


Pat Berrett wrote:
If your Graflex is a 4X5 the 127mm is fairly wide.
The "normal" lens (equivalent to a 50mm on 35mm) for a 4X5 is a 210mm.
For portraits something in the 300mm range is nice.

From my experience, the normal 4x5 or 50mm equivalent is 150mm.  127 should be around 35-40mm equivalent.

Jun 26 12 02:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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PhillipM
Posts: 5,200
Martin, Tennessee, US


Guess I'll be looking for something a bit stronger... this will work for the time being, until I get a grasp of the camera anyway.
Jun 26 12 02:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fred Greissing
Posts: 4,398
Los Angeles, California, US


Normal lens on a 4x5 is 150mm.

For closer up portraits something in the 240 to 360 range is nice.

However you need to make sure you have enough rail length for longer lenses.
Jun 26 12 02:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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PhillipM
Posts: 5,200
Martin, Tennessee, US


Thank you Fred.
Jun 26 12 02:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Harold Rose
Posts: 2,925
Calhoun, Georgia, US


PhillipM wrote:
Is it my imagination that my Kodak Ektar 127mm on my Graflex, is kind of a wide angle lens, based on what I'm seeing through the ground glass?

Sorry for the stupid question. 

I mean I know it really depends on what I'm going to shoot, but from what I can tell right now, if I wanted to shoot someone from the waist or head / shoulders, the damn thing would almost have to be in their lap...

A stronger lens..  Or a longer focal length..   The 127 is sort of a general purpose focal length,  We could shoot groups,  and  individuals with out changing lenses. ( You went out on a job with that one lens, no extras)

It is going to be difficult to come up with a longer lens that will take the Graphic lensboard...   Oh ssure there are some out there.    150  or 165. (165 was mostly for wideangle with a 8x10 view camera)    They are out there..  just be sure the lens board will fit up...

Jun 26 12 02:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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PhillipM
Posts: 5,200
Martin, Tennessee, US


Yeah, Harold... I'm so afraid of buying anything for this thing, since I don't have anyone with 200 miles that shoots this stuff.  So I can't really touch base with anyone, short of on here at MM, which has been great so far.

I still got to cut my teeth on it anyway, so this lens will be fine.  I loaded up my first film pack today, and hope to go shoot something this evening while I'm out, and send it to the lab to see what comes of it.
Jun 26 12 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nathan Appel
Posts: 612
San Francisco, California, US


PhillipM wrote:
Yeah, Harold... I'm so afraid of buying anything for this thing, since I don't have anyone with 200 miles that shoots this stuff.  So I can't really touch base with anyone, short of on here at MM, which has been great so far.

I recommend you register here; http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/

Jun 26 12 02:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Leggy Mountbatten
Posts: 12,529
Kansas City, Missouri, US


The good news is that KEH has a ton of lens boards for these cameras, with different sized holes.

http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 56320?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 56340?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 02210?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 74950?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 13660?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 40180?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 40730?r=FE


I find a Fujinon 300mm f/8 with a 35 mount that will go with some of these boards.
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 3457N?r=FE

Of course, your bellows may not be long enough to do anything useful with that lens. You'll probably need a telephoto design for a longer lens.

This one may work for you, if you can find the right lensboard:
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 0360N?r=FE

There are tons of WA's that will work with the Graphic boards.
Jun 26 12 02:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Silver Mirage
Posts: 1,358
Plainview, Texas, US


For 4x5 127 is a slightly wide lens. On press cameras such as Speed Graphic, Crown Graphic, B&J a 127 or 135 was a popular choice for news coverage and general purpose use.

A Graflex (with an 'f') was the name of the company. The common Speed and Crown press cameras were "Graphic." The company also made a series of large format SLRs using the Graflex name in popular sheet film sizes including 4x5 and 5x7. Then there were some less successful medium format cameras known as Graflex. In the 1960s the Graflex XL, a modular medium format rangefinder system, was popular with wedding photographers.

EDIT: And to get back to the original topic, about a 160 or 180mm lens would be a good choice for a longer lens. I think you camera will have enough bellows draw to handle that. Be aware that the rangefinder will not work (in most cases) - you will have to use ground-glass focusing.
Jun 26 12 02:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,462
Los Angeles, California, US


While 150 is the numerical "normal", the 210 was the practical normal for most shooters of table top and standard work, with 90 mm the go to wide angle.
Jun 26 12 02:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PhillipM
Posts: 5,200
Martin, Tennessee, US


Silver Mirage wrote:
I think you camera will have enough bellows draw to handle that. Be aware that the rangefinder will not work (in most cases) - you will have to use ground-glass focusing.

Thanks.

I already know I don't like that freak'n range finder dealeo... wink

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Leggy Mountbatten wrote:
The good news is that KEH has a ton of lens boards for these cameras, with different sized holes.

http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 56320?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 56340?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 02210?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 74950?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 13660?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 40180?r=FE
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 40730?r=FE


I find a Fujinon 300mm f/8 with a 35 mount that will go with some of these boards.
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 3457N?r=FE

Of course, your bellows may not be long enough to do anything useful with that lens. You'll probably need a telephoto design for a longer lens.

This one may work for you, if you can find the right lensboard:
http://www.keh.com/camera/Large-Format- … 0360N?r=FE

There are tons of WA's that will work with the Graphic boards.

Thanks Leggy

Jun 26 12 02:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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