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Danny Barson
Posts: 57
Mansfield, England, United Kingdom


I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.
Jun 30 12 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


NEXT!




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Jun 30 12 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Be grateful, OP. You got saved the trouble of working with a complete idiot.
Jun 30 12 01:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mike Adams Photos
Posts: 1,217
Cleveland, Ohio, US


Yup, be thankful.
Jun 30 12 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Dani Vespa
Posts: 309
New York, New York, US


I'm not an expert in photography in the least, but I know enough to trust someone that does. And that sentence they wrote to you didn't even make sense...

This was done in natural light, indoors with the light coming through a window (no reflectors, lights, etc...I'm almost positive. It was a month ago though so there might have been a reflector. But still. I'm trying to prove your point):

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120610/18/4fd5446f2d1d2_m.jpg
Jun 30 12 01:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB Jen B
Posts: 2,833
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a llama about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

I guess you could work with him if you really wanted to...knowing that he doesn't know that indoor light is a weak attempt at imitating natural outdoor light. wink
Jen
p.s. edit to add a picture that was shot outdoors, with only a reflector, as it was February and at dusk http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 2#28415742

Jun 30 12 01:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Danny Barson
Posts: 57
Mansfield, England, United Kingdom


Dani Vespa wrote:
I'm not an expert in photography in the least, but I know enough to trust someone that does. And that sentence they wrote to you didn't even make sense...

This was done in natural light, indoors with the light coming through a window (no reflectors, lights, etc...I'm almost positive. It was a month ago though so there might have been a reflector. But still. I'm trying to prove your point):

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120610/18/4fd5446f2d1d2_m.jpg

Jun 30 12 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,849
Albany, New York, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:
Be grateful, OP. You got saved the trouble of working with a complete idiot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/semi234/Nuff20Said.jpg

Jun 30 12 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,618
Los Angeles, California, US


lol
Jun 30 12 01:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Danny Barson
Posts: 57
Mansfield, England, United Kingdom


Dannyb66 wrote:

Sorry will try that again. lol

Thanks for that, and a beautiful shot it is, thanks for sharing

Jun 30 12 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Renato Alberto
Posts: 784
San Francisco, California, US


I agree with most everyone here. You should be so thankful of the hassel you saved yourself..
Jun 30 12 01:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a llama about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

I was going to dispute what that person responded until I saw they said "actually." I mean, if they say "actually" that makes the preceding statement a matter of fact.

Perhaps the llama has been watching too much True Blood?

Jun 30 12 01:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Dani Vespa
Posts: 309
New York, New York, US


Dannyb66 wrote:

Sorry will try that again. lol

Thanks for that, and a beautiful shot it is, thanks for sharing

Thank you! In my opinion, it's always best to be around those who show a desire to learn and defer to the ones with the knowledge. That's how I do it...

Jun 30 12 01:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumatic
Posts: 13,591
Chicago, Illinois, US


Shoulda told him, "Well, the best photographers use no light at all!"
Jun 30 12 01:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
J Jessica
Posts: 2,018
Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, US


Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

I actually prefer natural afternoon/evening light.
hmm
It seems less harsh to me.
Lots of good photos can be obtained from such lighting.

Tell her that you'd like to test shoot and see if she likes the outcome.

Jun 30 12 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Danny Barson
Posts: 57
Mansfield, England, United Kingdom


J Jessica  wrote:

I actually prefer natural afternoon/evening light.
hmm
It seems less harsh to me.
Lots of good photos can be obtained from such lighting.

Tell her that you'd like to test shoot and see if she likes the outcome.

Evening and early morning when the sun is rising or setting are called 'the golden hours' for a reason. Thanks for your input. xx

Jun 30 12 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Daniel Arouchian
Posts: 183
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


move on! Obviously she has no clue what she's talking about
Jun 30 12 02:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 7,970
Los Angeles, California, US


Models, model. Photographers, Photograph.


Except one picture in my own port...I used lights over a bed, everything else...is natural lighting..and no reflectors.
Jun 30 12 02:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,112
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Maybe the op should direct the model to Neil Kirks port, one of UK best natural light photographers also works a lot in the States.

http://www.patriciamcmahon.com/lightbox … l&start=57

Click on photographers and select Neil Kirk.
Jun 30 12 02:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kyleigh Sun
Posts: 19
Sacramento, California, US


That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol
Jun 30 12 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Personal Photograph
Posts: 230
Davenport, Iowa, US


No cure for stupid.
Jun 30 12 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dominic Dean
Posts: 281
London, England, United Kingdom


I use natural light on location, all the time and have never used reflectors, sometimes fill in flash. Models are entitled to their opinion but in this case theyre wrong
Jun 30 12 02:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CSDewitt Photo
Posts: 608
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Kyleigh Erin wrote:
That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

+1 So true!!!!

Jun 30 12 02:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mirror With A Memory
Posts: 282
New York, New York, US


I  feel if you like me you do me a favor, if you don't then you do me two favors.
Jun 30 12 02:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STL-After-Dark
Posts: 4,383
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Trailerpark DIVA ... she was too good for your simple ways hmm
Jun 30 12 02:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,416
Los Angeles, California, US


Personal Photograph wrote:
No cure for stupid.

Education ? ?


What would it have hurt to explain things to the model ?

Jun 30 12 02:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eros Fine Art Photo
Posts: 2,558
Torrance, California, US


Damn...all my shots are natural light AND I don't even use a reflector.  Guess I'm relegated to being a "basic photographer".  lol
Jun 30 12 02:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,250
Seattle, Washington, US


Kyleigh Erin wrote:
That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

Are you sure?

Jun 30 12 02:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Danny Barson
Posts: 57
Mansfield, England, United Kingdom


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Education ? ?


What would it have hurt to explain things to the model ?

I have been trying, and still am trying, but he is having none of it. He obviously feels he knows more than me about lighting a model, and this has been one of his replies..."yes i understand what you mean natural ligt is important but you need to use other extra light to expose and highlight particular parts "
So with someone like this, I think I'm losing the will.

Jun 30 12 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


Kyleigh Erin wrote:
That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

You only say this because you have never seen good indoor light.  smile  LOL  It all seriousness, the "best" light is the light that works and gives you the look you want.  A good guy with strobes can do just as well as a guy with natural light, unless he is trying to light the Grand Canyon.

By the way the OP's model was a guy !

Jun 30 12 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumatic
Posts: 13,591
Chicago, Illinois, US


Kyleigh Erin wrote:
That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

Actually, neither is better.  Light is light.  The only difference is how you influence and capture it.

The image is what matters.

Jun 30 12 02:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


Dannyb66 wrote:

I have been trying, and still am trying, but he is having none of it. He obviously feels he knows more than me about lighting a model, and this has been one of his replies..."yes i understand what you mean natural ligt is important but you need to use other extra light to expose and highlight particular parts "
So with someone like this, I think I'm losing the will.

I think he may be responding that on a few of your shots, you have exceeded the dynamic range of the sensor and it doesn't match his view as to what it should look like.

Jun 30 12 02:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


double post
Jun 30 12 02:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marc Rosebeck
Posts: 2,281
Albany, New York, US


Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

my port is all natural light,not the best, not too bad though, the guy your talking to is a complete idiot without
a doubt.

Jun 30 12 02:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J I M
Posts: 524
New York, New York, US


Personal Photograph wrote:
No cure for stupid.

True, but if the yahoo the OP is talking about became a moron, at least it would be a step up...

EDIT: after reading ken's reply above ('to educate'), I thought I might have been too harsh. But I think my reaction to the situation would be that the llama wasn't ill-informed, he was arrogant.

Jun 30 12 03:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,439
Paris, Île-de-France, France


While some may treat natural light as reality , it makes for an excellent diversion when treated in new ways. Most all of what I have done lately is all natural light.
Jun 30 12 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,112
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Education ? ?


What would it have hurt to explain things to the model ?

Why ?

Jun 30 12 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
LizzyB
Posts: 2,174
Rochester, New York, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:

Why ?

why not? knowledge is power wink

granted it would be a PIA to work with such an "idiot," but i  guess that would be a moot point if otherwise the model had a fabulous look tongue

Jun 30 12 03:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RogerLeonPhoto
Posts: 297
Tucson, Arizona, US


LOL.  Some of my best shots were taken while drinking Natural Light Beer!!  It's delicious and cheap!
Jun 30 12 03:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,112
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Ok Lizzy, so could you give us this knowledge ?
Jun 30 12 03:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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