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Bob Helm Photography
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Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


USOC invites top photographers to shoot official shots of team members and they are getting a lot of criticism over the "finished" results. What do you think? IMO most MM members could have done the same or better.

http://solsticevisuals.com/post/2622983 … ted-states

Do you think any of them are good?
Jul 01 12 01:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 6,307
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Dafuq?


Really.... da fuq?


Wronkled flag... ripped and dirty seamless... huh?
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/05/14/hornton_144492539_540x405.jpg
Jul 01 12 01:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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D S P
Posts: 510
Portland, Oregon, US


If those images are for real, that is a serious disappointment. I shoot sports portraits weekly, some with very limited time with the athletes and there is no way I would turn in images like the ones in that post to my editor. I am sure my editors would never hire me again if I turned those in.
Jul 01 12 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


D S P wrote:
If those images are for real, that is a serious disappointment. I shoot sports portraits weekly, some with very limited time with the athletes and there is no way I would turn in images like the ones in that post to my editor. I am sure my editors would never hire me again if I turned those in.

from what it seems, it was an event where many photogaphers were invited, and open to take snapshots.

But still, dafuq?

Jul 01 12 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bob Helm Photography
Posts: 18,111
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


Those and more are on CBS's website as well
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-33747_162-1 … l?tag=page

And the images are from Getty Images!
Jul 01 12 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Studio 277
Posts: 131
WINSTON SALEM, North Carolina, US


http://www.uspresswire.com/search/fullt … mmit/page1

Thankfully it appears there were some much better photos taken at this event.
This is a link from another discussion board I just saw.
Jul 01 12 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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me voy
Posts: 983
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


Maybe the organization that hired the photographer didn't have a budget for the shoot. In that case, shame on the organization for hiring someone with no experience.
Jul 01 12 01:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bob Helm Photography
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Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


Photos By Jody  wrote:
http://www.uspresswire.com/search/fullt … mmit/page1

Thankfully it appears there were some much better photos taken at this event.
This is a link from another discussion board I just saw.

Those are much better.

Jul 01 12 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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D S P
Posts: 510
Portland, Oregon, US


me voy wrote:
Maybe the organization that hired the photographer didn't have a budget for the shoot. In that case, shame on the organization for hiring someone with no experience.

Jul 01 12 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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me voy
Posts: 983
Amherst, Massachusetts, US


D S P wrote:

Whoa.. That's no excuse. These are Olympians. I've worked for the USOC and USA Basketball. They are usually pretty selective of who they allow to shoot the athletes.

It's also very unprofessional for that photographer to release images of that quality.

Here is a thread on Sports Shooter
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_di … ?tid=40297

If they are selective then why was this photographer there in the first place? I put the blame on USOC for not doing their homework. My question is: how much are they paying? You get what you pay for.

Jul 01 12 01:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lee_Photography
Posts: 8,442
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Good photography is not represented by these photos
Think any photographer on MM would have been a better selection
Jul 01 12 01:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,387
Seattle, Washington, US


Robert Helm wrote:
Those are much better.

i dunno....

why is the emphasis on the forehead?

http://www.uspresswire.com/image/thumb/600-600/6258776.jpg

Jul 01 12 02:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paul Brecht
Posts: 12,209
Colton, California, US


me voy wrote:
If they are selective then why was this photographer there in the first place? I put the blame on USOC for not doing their homework. My question is: how much are they paying? You get what you pay for.

It was prolly press day. They set up a bunch of backdrops & some lights & let the photographers & athletes go at it. I looked up the photographer who's images are in question (google images) & he seems a paparazzi type, who shoots events, but has no control over light, etc.

There's a lot of hacks who get their foot in the door in high places & it seems they are there to stay.

google images

Jul 01 12 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orcatek Photography
Posts: 1,686
Tempe, Arizona, US


I don't know, the photos all seem to show the same photographer in the credits.
Jul 01 12 02:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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B L O P H O T O
Posts: 471
Chicago, Illinois, US


Mark Laubenheimer wrote:

i dunno....

why is the emphasis on the forehead?

http://www.uspresswire.com/image/thumb/600-600/6258776.jpg

Maybe it's her secret weapon? smile

Jul 01 12 02:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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D S P
Posts: 510
Portland, Oregon, US


Lee_Photography wrote:
Good photography is not represented by these photos
Think any photographer on MM would have been a better selection

Some would. Just as I am sure there are shooters here that would not compare to his photojournalism talents.

Jul 01 12 02:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,387
Seattle, Washington, US


B L O P H O T O wrote:

Maybe it's her secret weapon? smile

actually, i think it's the photographer's secret weapon....

Jul 01 12 02:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kevin Russo Photography
Posts: 2,257
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


I think this brings photography to a new low.

I find it disrespectful to the athletes.

Kevin Russo -Photographer
www.KR-Photos.Com
Jul 01 12 02:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Zave Smith Photography
Posts: 1,378
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Wow, while I hate to criticize others work, those photos were very amateur. 

I had the honor of photographing two of our Olympians for an ad campaign for Frontier Communications this winter. I had to say that these two women were a complete delight to work with.
Jul 01 12 02:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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D M E C K E R T
Posts: 4,786
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Mark Laubenheimer wrote:

i dunno....

why is the emphasis on the forehead?

http://www.uspresswire.com/image/thumb/600-600/6258776.jpg

now THAT is a fivehead.

Jul 01 12 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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D M E C K E R T
Posts: 4,786
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


dp
Jul 01 12 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mortonovich
Posts: 5,264
San Diego, California, US


Any of Lolo Jones? I think she's smoking hot, errrr, I mean, a phenomenal athlete! big_smile
Jul 01 12 03:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


The were set up on a carpeted floor with 100 athletes passing through each station. There's no way the paper is going to survive that. The time it would take to pull it out more would use 25-50% of the shooting time.

That explains the paper. I can't explain the lighting. Follow the links and you can see they had very little space, although it didn't seem to be a problem for the guy who shot the BTS photos.
Jul 01 12 11:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 5,987
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Those photos make Borat look like a professional.

http://donchavez.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/rosie_footy_nuts.co_.uk_02.jpg

.
Jul 02 12 01:21 am  Link  Quote 
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egyptmachine
Posts: 11,364
El Paso, Texas, US


In excusable.
Jul 02 12 01:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Mike Collins
Posts: 1,757
Orlando, Florida, US


me voy wrote:
Maybe the organization that hired the photographer didn't have a budget for the shoot. In that case, shame on the organization for hiring someone with no experience.

You mean the USOC?  With sponsors like Visa, McDonalds, Coca-Cola and many many more huge corporations, trust me, they have the money.  They may not have even paid them.  Maybe the photographers did it on spec.  It's says the photographers were invited.  Didn't really say anything about being paid.  Maybe they did it on spec in hopes to sell to news outlets.  Not really sure myself.

It's sad this guy is being ridiculed.  There were a lot more photographers there.  Most I'm sure are photojournalists and sports shooters with portraiture not being their best genre. 

These are pretty bad but 4 minutes per session doesn't give you a lot of time to get too creative on the spot.  After I read this article it made a lot more sense.  I'm sure others did a better job though.

You got a small space and 4 minutes per.  Go!

http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/2 … pmic.html/

Jul 02 12 05:04 am  Link  Quote 
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L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,387
Seattle, Washington, US


Mike Collins wrote:

You mean the USOC?  With sponsors like Visa, McDonalds, Coca-Cola and many many more huge corporations, trust me, they have the money.  They may not have even paid them.  Maybe the photographers did it on spec.  It's says the photographers were invited.  Didn't really say anything about being paid.  Maybe they did it on spec in hopes to sell to news outlets.  Not really sure myself.

It's sad this guy is being ridiculed.  There were a lot more photographers there.  Most I'm sure are photojournalists and sports shooters with portraiture not being their best genre. 

These are pretty bad but 4 minutes per session doesn't give you a lot of time to get too creative on the spot.  After I read this article it made a lot more sense.  I'm sure others did a better job though.

You got a small space and 4 minutes per.  Go!

http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/2 … pmic.html/

small space and 4 minutes? imagine what al hirschfeld could do with a bic pen and a cocktail napkin....

Jul 02 12 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Bob Helm Photography
Posts: 18,111
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


Bob Matin, a noted sports photographer had an interesting take on this

"Klamar’s photos were taken at a media summit.  These sessions are also known as “photo day” or “media day” and can be best described as organized chaos. Remember photo day in high school?  It’s like that, except there’s dozens of photographers in a small area.  At a recent Yankees “photo day,” space was so limited that photographer Nick Laham had to set up in a bathroom… and you’d never know it." http://www.sportsphotographer.net/sport … ic-photos/

Seems the photographer is a pretty good sports photographer who was way over his head for this type of assignment.
Jul 02 12 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Jason Hamper
Posts: 60
Chilliwack, British Columbia, Canada


Go here and look at these:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012 … es/100307/

The solticevisuals photographs are probably just lighting test shots that were posted by someone that thought they had a scoop or something.
Jul 02 12 11:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Escalante
Posts: 5,367
Chicago, Illinois, US


wow really ?
They are the same level of quality if not better then what most of you all are complimenting as "sensual , exotic , erotic , so tender (two girls doing a 69), so edgy , so unique , So stunning , so incredible , so _________ ....
same type of quality level if not better then what the majority of the people are asking "have I improved after 3 months and $$$$ of equipment ?"
Never mentioning the wrinkled Bedsheets they are using instead of Proper backdrops . Never mentioning the Dust spots  , just focusing in on the crappiness of the crotch or tits in the shot more then anything else.

These are the same level of quality if not better then ....
Jul 02 12 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Somers
Posts: 1,032
Los Angeles, California, US


Robert Helm wrote:
Do you think any of them are good?

WOW. Those SUCK.

My CAT could take better photos than that.


1) The lighting sucks.

2) Heavy Canvas make a better backdrop in high traffic situations. Even so, is it that hard to un-roll some more paper? LOL. suck.

3) The framing and poses suck.

4) The images suck.

5) Photoshop. It's a tool that could have been helpful - if it were used.

Jul 02 12 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ex Voto Studio
Posts: 4,983
Columbia, Maryland, US


Jason Hamper wrote:
Go here and look at these:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012 … es/100307/

The solticevisuals photographs are probably just lighting test shots that were posted by someone that thought they had a scoop or something.

Still not that impressive.

Jul 02 12 12:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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rickspix_uk
Posts: 98
Southend-on-Sea, England, United Kingdom


Well as someone from across the water who will not be supporting your athlete's ( sorry )  and someone who is most definitely an amateur with lots to learn I have to say that I WOULD have been embarrassed to put these out as finished images !  I am damn sure I COULD have done better , or binned the lot !
Jul 02 12 12:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Warren Leimbach
Posts: 2,554
Tampa, Florida, US


These give me hope that someday I will have that guy's job.



EDIT:

more info here:
http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/2 … pmic.html/

Not ideal circumstances.  3 or 4 minutes per athlete.  Very small area to work with multiple photographers working on top of each other.  Kind of explains why the athletes look so distracted and the lighting is so crappy.  Sounds like a MM group photo shoot.....


I would blame the producers for providing measly 10x12 shooting bays to work in.  Maybe OK for headshots, but forget about full length.



EDIT AGAIN:  Now that I see some of the other links (atlantic.com ,et, al.) I see there were many good shots from the day.  I wonder if the OP solisticevisuals link was an elaborate hoax?  Maybe an assistant released some outtakes?
Jul 02 12 04:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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GER Photography
Posts: 7,563
Imperial, California, US


Didn't see one picture that would have made it off of my hard drive, and I'm a simple hobbyist! The guy should find a new day job.
Jul 02 12 05:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,300
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Escalante wrote:
wow really ?
They are the same level of quality if not better then what most of you all are complimenting as "sensual , exotic , erotic , so tender (two girls doing a 69), so edgy , so unique , So stunning , so incredible , so _________ ....
same type of quality level if not better then what the majority of the people are asking "have I improved after 3 months and $$$$ of equipment ?"
Never mentioning the wrinkled Bedsheets they are using instead of Proper backdrops . Never mentioning the Dust spots  , just focusing in on the crappiness of the crotch or tits in the shot more then anything else.

These are the same level of quality if not better then ....

A little harsh and bitter here?

And I pretty much agree.

Jul 03 12 11:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,300
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


The Terry Richardson of sports photography?

To be found next on SI.
Jul 03 12 11:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Yum Yum Photo
Posts: 442
Park Ridge, New Jersey, US


GETTY must be proud. The photographer probally thought I am getting paid so what??
Jul 03 12 04:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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E H
Posts: 537
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Kevin Russo Photography wrote:
I think this brings photography to a new low.

I find it disrespectful to the athletes.

Kevin Russo -Photographer
www.KR-Photos.Com

+1

Jul 03 12 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Loona Wynd
Posts: 1,282
South Portland, Maine, US


There are only two shots in there that I think actually worked for the athlete.

This one works for the diver as it looks like she is diving into a deep pool (based on pose and color of backdrop):

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/05/14/krug_144486019.jpg

And the Judo girl as it kinda looks like she won a difficult Judo match. 
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/05/14/harrison_144371821_540x405.jpg
Jul 03 12 04:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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