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Photographer
Clementine Images
Posts: 4
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Hey there, just a quick question on behalf of a friend whos looking to get into modelling, so not on here as of yet.

She is interested in getting into artistic nude work (not glamour/playboy style) but is quite heavily tattoed, ie sleeves and a couple on legs, feet and back I think. But is otherwise fairly natural looking - no fake tans, cosmetic surgery, bleached out hair.

Anyway, question being would her tattoed look impact negatively on getting art nude work? Is it more desireable to have a more natural look or would it not make a big difference?

I couldn't really give her any advice on this subject and whats more desireable for the genre, so any advice would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.

Cheers!
Jul 09 12 04:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,315
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Yes it has an impact. She'll get work from photographers who want to shoot llamas with tattoos and will not get work from photographers who don't want to shoot llamas with tattoos. There is a preference and it does affect availability of gigs. Sometimes it will work in her favor, other times not. She'll probably have to work harder networking to access favorable markets and individuals.
Jul 09 12 05:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nelia
Posts: 2,152
San Francisco, California, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
Yes it has an impact. She'll get work from photographers who want to shoot models with tattoos and will not get work from photographers who don't want to shoot models with tattoos. There is a preference and it does affect availability of gigs. Sometimes it will work in her favor, other times not. She'll probably have to work harder networking to access favorable markets and individuals.

+1

I, personally, prefer that Models I use for my Artistic Nude / Figure Nude projects are clean slates.

Jul 09 12 05:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,649
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


She is unlikely to be successful;  anything that breaks up the lines and flow of the body is bad.
Jul 09 12 05:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DareImagesArt
Posts: 48
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Ally, she should be fine. There are plenty of Oz models on Mm with tattoos and they alll seem to get work. She should be be able to use it to her advantage if she builds the right folio.
Good luck.
Garry Furzer
www.dareimages.com.au
Jul 09 12 05:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,626
Eureka, California, US


I wouldn't consider her for even a second for art nudes.

Edit: advise her to be open to other genres and test the various waters before limiting herself to a genre she will certainly have difficulty breaking into successfully.
Jul 09 12 05:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Bare Essential Photos
Posts: 3,213
Upland, California, US


Artistic nude photographers prefer a blank slate. She would be better going with alternative modeling.


Gabby
Jul 09 12 05:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Clementine Images
Posts: 4
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Bare Essential Photos wrote:
Artistic nude photographers prefer a blank slate. She would be better going with alternative modeling.


Gabby

Ah damn, this seems to be the general concensus! Oh well i'll pass on the info, thanks for your reply smile

Jul 09 12 06:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Clementine Images
Posts: 4
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


DareImagesArt wrote:
Ally, she should be fine. There are plenty of Oz models on Mm with tattoos and they alll seem to get work. She should be be able to use it to her advantage if she builds the right folio.
Good luck.
Garry Furzer
www.dareimages.com.au

Hey garry, thanks for your input. Since your reply seems to go against most responses so far would you be able to list some of the models youre referring too? Just because i havent really noticed any substantially tattooed models on here so far smile thanks!

Jul 09 12 06:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dcsmooth
Posts: 1,150
Detroit, Michigan, US


For the style of artistic nude I do, a model with a lot of tattoos, or even one large tattoo is not going to work. I find it increasingly difficult to find models who do not have any tattoos, and it really limits the selection of models to choose from who are comfortable with nudes. I have worked with a few models who have small tattoos that can easily be hidden when posing or can be photoshopped out.

I agree that there is a very strong interest in heavily tattooed models for alt work and other fetish genres like BDSM, she should be able to find work there, it just doesn't work well for me in the art nude genre.

Based solely upon other comments I have read in the MM forums regarding tattoos, the model may need to have a signed release from the tattoo creator in order to have images of her body where those tattoos can be seen.
Jul 09 12 06:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J Welborn
Posts: 2,552
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Bare Essential Photos wrote:
Artistic nude photographers prefer a blank slate. She would be better going with alternative modeling.


Gabby

This is the answer

Jul 09 12 06:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,544
Pasadena, California, US


You're going to get all sorts of answers here.  Some don't mind tattoos, and will attempt art shooting heavily tattoos models.  It can succeed.  But, it's very, very difficult.  I rarely hire models with any tattoos.  Models that have a very small tattoo that isn't on the curve of the back, or anywhere near the belly button, are usually successful. 

It depends on two things: How the photographer approaches the subject, and finding a buyer who also agrees the shot is art.  Lots of well meaning friends might say the work is art, but finding one (or an outsider, especially galleries) to put up their money is another matter.
Jul 09 12 06:25 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I do art nudes and I have tattoos. It depends on the photographer's preference. Most of whom I've worked with didn't care.
Jul 09 12 06:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,917
New York, New York, US


Just to put in some perspective from the photographer's point of view, tattoos are always a problem because they inevitably become the focus of the picture, just as in the case of a fashion shoot, the picture is of the dress, not the model.  If the model has a lot of tattoos, especially if they are unrelated and/or spread all over the body, it becomes impossible to compose a picture at all.  Imagine trying to record a violin sonata with a kazoo, a musical saw, and a calliope in the background.  It doesn't work

That said, while tattoos generally will limit employment, it's not always the case.  sometimes, if it's a well thought out tattoo it can enhance the picture or become the focus of the picture.  And, too, there's no real consensus as to what makes "fine art".  While most "fine art" photographers won't touch a tattooed model, some love them.  Some will work around the problem with things like shadows, body paint, draping or digitally altering the image. But your friend shouldn't count on that.  With so many unmarked models out there, there's little reason for a photographer to work around a problem that he can avoid altogether.

Which brings us to what the model can do to make herself employable.  Certainly if your friend is set on shooting fine art nudes, she should investigate some of the cover-up makeup products.  There may be something here: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1RNPN_enUS416
Jul 09 12 06:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Rays Fine Art wrote:
Just to put in some perspective from the photographer's point of view, tattoos are always a problem because they inevitably become the focus of the picture, just as in the case of a fashion shoot, the picture is of the dress, not the llama.  If the llama has a lot of tattoos, especially if they are unrelated and/or spread all over the body, it becomes impossible to compose a picture at all.  Imagine trying to record a violin sonata with a kazoo, a musical saw, and a calliope in the background.  It doesn't work

That said, while tattoos generally will limit employment, it's not always the case.  sometimes, if it's a well thought out tattoo it can enhance the picture or become the focus of the picture.  And, too, there's no real consensus as to what makes "fine art".  While most "fine art" photographers won't touch a tattooed llama, some love them.  Some will work around the problem with things like shadows, body paint, draping or digitally altering the image. But your friend shouldn't count on that.  With so many unmarked llamas out there, there's little reason for a photographer to work around a problem that he can avoid altogether.

Which brings us to what the llama can do to make herself employable.  Certainly if your friend is set on shooting fine art nudes, she should investigate some of the cover-up makeup products.  There may be something here: https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1RNPN_enUS416
Jul 09 12 06:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,626
Eureka, California, US


P I X I E wrote:

That is still your personal opinion. I have worked with several photographers for art nudes and tattoos mustn't bother them that much because otherwise they wouldn't work with me.

Pixie, your situation is not the same as described in the OP as you only seem to have 3 mostly hideable tattoos and you shoot other genres. I can only see a tattoo one one shot in your portfolio without looking closely. If you had multiple sleeves and other large body tattoos that wouldn't be the case.

Jul 09 12 07:30 am  Link  Quote 
Model
JadeDRed
Posts: 5,300
London, England, United Kingdom


If she is heavily tattooed then she must accept that will define her as a model and she will mostly need to look for people who want to hire a tattooed model. As long as she accepts those limits she should give it a go and see if the market is there.

The only problem is when people dont accept what they are and try to chase jobs they are unsuitable for, that just wastes time and breeds bitterness. She has to accept she WILL be rejected on the basis of her tattoos.
Jul 09 12 07:34 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MatureModelMM
Posts: 900
Detroit, Michigan, US


I have been told more than once by an artist or photographer that I was chosen  because I have no tattoos. If a person does have them it seems to me that it would be harder finding a lot of work.  A few times I have worked with other models that do have tattoos and I notice the photographer goes out of the way not to get them in the pictures.
Jul 09 12 08:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Designit - Edward Olson wrote:

Pixie, your situation is not the same as described in the OP as you only seem to have 3 mostly hideable tattoos and you shoot other genres. I can only see a tattoo one one shot in your portfolio without looking closely. If you had multiple sleeves and other large body tattoos that wouldn't be the case.

I have 4. They're not tiny either, except for the one on my wrist. The one on my calf is going to be big. I asked the photographers I do art nudes with if it was going to make them not shoot with me, and their reply was that they didn't care.

Jul 09 12 08:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Alexandra R Y
Posts: 466
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


Hasn't been an issue for me but my situation is hardly comparable to the OP. Mine is small and easily covered/removed. As someone already mentioned, it would be wise to expand into other genres as well rather than putting all your eggs in one basket, hoping you will get lots of work.
Jul 09 12 08:24 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Dekilah
Posts: 4,859
Detroit, Michigan, US


Although I am unmodified, I can say that some photographers do not mind the tattoos and some actually seek them out. However, this is generally true only if the tattoos are well done and flow together on the body (so not a mish mash of a bunch of things that do not "match"). Yes, many if not most art nude photographers tend to prefer a blank slate, but there are those who are quite happy to shoot girls with ink as well.
Jul 09 12 08:27 am  Link  Quote 
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FlirtynFun Photography
Posts: 12,870
Houston, Texas, US


unless I'm shooting specifically for a tattoo related publication or workshop, I don't hire heavily tattoo'd llamas. After the Nike tattoo copyright debacle, it seems even more photographers are gun shy about shooting llamas with tattoos, even for portfolio use unless they also have a release from the tattoo artist. That's an unnecessary pain in the ass for your average workshop or TF shoot.
Jul 09 12 08:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MoRina
Posts: 5,600
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


OP did not specify whether or not the person looking to get into modeling was hoping to do so as a hobby or as a way to support herself.

Big difference.

There will always be a photographer around to shoot a girl with a decent figure for trade, and more will do so if she is willing to pose nude. 

Now, add in money changing hands from the photographer to the model, and it changes everything regarding the standards of the photographer.  They can afford to be pickier, and will choose to pay the models who more closely match their preferences.  Some don't mind tattoos, but the majority do.
Jul 09 12 08:36 am  Link  Quote 
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GER Photography
Posts: 7,496
Imperial, California, US


90+% of the tattoos I've ever seen are poorly done, ill-conceived, willy-nilly conglomerations of this and that, placed here and there. There are amazing tattoo artists who can do intricate photorealistic portraits... But someone else's idea of what is artistic is probably going to clash with a photographers vision of his project, so, blank slate is probably best.
Jul 09 12 08:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Sylph Sia
Posts: 34
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
unless I'm shooting specifically for a tattoo related publication or workshop, I don't hire heavily tattoo'd models. After the Nike tattoo copyright debacle, it seems even more photographers are gun shy about shooting models with tattoos, even for portfolio use unless they also have a release from the tattoo artist. That's an unnecessary pain in the ass for your average workshop or TF shoot.

What is the debacle you speak of, i dont think i've heard about it? But i have a couple of tattoos and when getting them done i had to sign a form that said i understand once i leave the parlour the tattoo artist no longer is responsible for or has anything to do with the tattoo (to cover them if people dont do proper after care i guess) - i dont know if they do a similar thing in the States though, but i would've thought this kind of form would remove any rights to a piece that a tattooist could otherwise claim?

Jul 09 12 08:47 am  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,784
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


P I X I E wrote:
I do art nudes and I have tattoos. It depends on the photographer's preference. Most of whom I've worked with didn't care.

Yup.

Jul 09 12 08:49 am  Link  Quote 
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MainePaintah
Posts: 1,672
Saco, Maine, US


I paint fine art nude models and my answer would be; It Depends!

I have painted many models with small tattoos and I just ignore the tattoo.

If the model has "the look" I need, I can work around almost anything!

Some alternative models have such AWESOME tattoos, that I would LOVE to paint them!

Other models have too many tattoos in the wrong place, and I have no desire to paint them.

IT ALL DEPENDS!
Jul 09 12 08:52 am  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
MainePaintah
Posts: 1,672
Saco, Maine, US


NicoleNudes wrote:

Yup.

I'd paint Nicole Nudes and her 2 small tattoos all week long! smile

Jul 09 12 08:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


MainePaintah wrote:
I paint fine art nude models and my answer would be; It Depends!

I have painted many models with small tattoos and I just ignore the tattoo.

If the model has "the look" I need, I can work around almost anything!

Some alternative models have such AWESOME tattoos, that I would LOVE to paint them!

Other models have too many tattoos in the wrong place, and I have no desire to paint them.

IT ALL DEPENDS!

smile

Jul 09 12 08:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dgold
Posts: 10,269
North Smithfield, Rhode Island, US


MainePaintah wrote:

I'd paint Nicole Nudes and her 2 small tattoos all week long! smile

YUP...!

Jul 09 12 08:55 am  Link  Quote 
Model
NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,784
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


MainePaintah wrote:

I'd paint Nicole Nudes and her 2 small tattoos all week long! smile

big_smile

OP, for your friend's situation it depends on what she wants to get out of modeling.
There's lot of photographers who shoot models with tattoos, and also lots that don't.

She just needs to work with the people that do and don't worry about the people that don't.

Jul 09 12 09:04 am  Link  Quote 
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FlirtynFun Photography
Posts: 12,870
Houston, Texas, US


Sylph Sia wrote:

What is the debacle you speak of, i dont think i've heard about it? But i have a couple of tattoos and when getting them done i had to sign a form that said i understand once i leave the parlour the tattoo artist no longer is responsible for or has anything to do with the tattoo (to cover them if people dont do proper after care i guess) - i dont know if they do a similar thing in the States though, but i would've thought this kind of form would remove any rights to a piece that a tattooist could otherwise claim?

I'm also interested in this topic, considering trying to persue art nude work, but i have a small text tattoo of two words on my inner arm near my elbow, & a lotus on my lower neck/ upper back. Sinscere apologies if this is off topic, but would this amount of tattoos impact any potential work? As it obviously isnt as substantial as the amount the OP is referring to. Cheers smile

I remember seeing the Nike lawsuit a few years ago...can't find the link...however here was a more recent one concerning Mike Tyson's tattoo artist suing Warner Brothers for The HaNgover II useage of the same tattoo design- http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/24/hangover- … s-victory/

Little tattoos aren't hard to cover...however large ones and plentiful tattoos have me and many other photographers passing a tattoo'd model up for a "clean canvas" model nearly every time.
Think about it...you're a model and your body and face are your form of employment. Why do something that limits your employment?

Jul 09 12 09:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,626
Eureka, California, US


So, again, OP, here you have models who do many styles other than just art nudes with few, non-major tattoos that are easily hidden when the photographer desires, who don't have a problem finding people to photograph them.

And, again, this does not match the situation that you describe in your post.
Jul 09 12 09:11 am  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Designit - Edward Olson wrote:
So, again, OP, here you have models who do many styles other than just art nudes with few, non-major tattoos that are easily hidden when the photographer desires, who don't have a problem finding people to photograph them.

And, again, this does not match the situation that you describe in your post.

I was just speaking from experience. Please disregard mine if it bothers you so much.

And most of my work these days is art nudes.

Jul 09 12 09:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SME
Posts: 20,833
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


Personally, I love them.  The more the better.  smile
Jul 09 12 09:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,784
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


I like no tattoos and I like heavily tattooed (ie. full sleeve, chest piece, big stuff). It's the small or sporadic tattoos that I find distracting. I'm just not really a fan of small tattoos ever. With large tattoos they can become the focus point of an image which isn't always a bad thing. They can be incorporated into a theme or whatever. If a tattoo isn't significant enough to really add to the pic then I will probably edit it out anyways which is a pain in the ass. My advice to anyone thinking about getting a tattoo is always go big, or don't get tattooed at all. I want to see commitment when I see a tattoo!
Jul 09 12 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
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FlirtynFun Photography
Posts: 12,870
Houston, Texas, US


thinking some people need to read the OP and look up the term "art nude"
Jul 09 12 09:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 20,830
Portland, Oregon, US


Ally JH wrote:
Anyway, question being would her tattoed look impact negatively on getting art nude work? Is it more desireable to have a more natural look or would it not make a big difference?

Anything a model does to alter her appearance will have impact on her modeling opportunities.

With regards to tattoos:
   ...  Some photographers love them,
   ...  Some photographers don't care,
   ...  Some photographers (like me) hate them

Jul 09 12 09:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotopia
Posts: 1,080
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I have observed a common misperception among many novice models, and photographers, believing that their personal taste, and the taste of the market place, are one and the same, they rarely are.

The serious fine art print collectors that my exhibition prints are marketed to, find ink to be a major distraction from the esthetic qualities of figurative images, and have no interest in any type of "alternative" styles.

Others may do as they wish, however, I would only loose money going against the preferrences of my market, so I am unable to utilize inked models.
Jul 09 12 10:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,343
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


I have nothing against tattoos personally, but I feel they don't work well with either the more commercial stuff I shoot or art nudes.  I've always passed on models with tats that are large enough or numerious enough that I can't easily edit them out.  Even if it's a trade nude shoot, there's simply no reason to spend my time and energy on images that won't benefit me.

Certainly some people even look for tattooed models and certainly there are some successful models with tattoos, but I think overall there's still more demand for a blank slate.
Jul 09 12 10:45 am  Link  Quote 
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