The Trousseau wrote: At least I am upfront with my questions and don't do this passive aggressive, loaded statement nonsense.
So why are you doing that very same thing, right now?
Seriously, don't play coy or be cagey. Your categorization was a FALSE DICHOTOMY.
The Trousseau wrote: So, which was it, was he insulting our intelligence, or was he making a point to downgrade the accomplishments of small business owners?
Those are clearly NOT the ONLY two messages a person could infer from the President's statements, and here is proof.
Octave Chanute might agree that they didn't build it *alone*. To think that inventors like the Wright Brothers operated in a vacuum and were unaided by the efforts of others is the height of intellectual simplicity and dishonesty.
He's telling you to keep contributing to collective efforts so that those of the future can enjoy the benefits you have today.
It's only the same as needing air if air didn't exist on its own and required collective efforts to manufacture.
If telling Americans to work together in collective efforts (some of which are effected through government) is like telling them to eat then many many Americans wouldn't eat.. since they are completely opposed to such collective efforts... even though abandoning them will cause future generations to suffer.
Ah. Sounds like both wrapped into one to me.
Have to leave this for now. I need to go make some money to pay taxes on.
He's telling you to keep contributing to collective efforts so that those of the future can enjoy the benefits you have today.
It's only the same as needing air if air didn't exist on its own and required collective efforts to manufacture.
If telling Americans to work together in collective efforts (some of which are effected through government) is like telling them to eat then many many Americans wouldn't eat.. since they are completely opposed to such collective efforts... even though abandoning them will cause future generations to suffer.
The Trousseau wrote: Ah. Sounds like both wrapped into one to me.
Do they make eardrops that address such a malady? Probably not. Obamacare has in one fell swoop destroyed the medical R&D industry. It's ALL Obama's fault, y'know.
Gianantonio
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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
The Trousseau wrote: I just read the text of what he said and it is just as insulting as it was when I heard it. I can see two possibilities; either he is telling me that I didn't build my business alone (sorry, but what I built, I built,) or he is making a statement that has as much import and value as me going on for three paragraphs about not being able to live without air.
Of course we create systems together. Humans are social creatures and create governments to organize. Why did he make this non-statement that states the obvious?
Based on his previous actions, I can only see it as another statement showing his lack of concern for the private sector. He isn't trying to get people to come together, he is trying to get people to do things his way.
He made the statement many see as obvious because many people don't see it as obvious...
Gianantonio
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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
What Fun Productions wrote: It's fun to watch our liberal friends degrade the risk takers in our society who have the guts to start a business and hire workers...
President Obama, pitting Americans against Americans.
What a sad sack.
You still haven't pointed out where obama said what you say he said...
You might get in touch with the creator of this and explain about the background of the Wright TEAM. Gliders already existed. Engines already existed. Cables and pulleys already existed. Propellers already existed, and flying machines had already been created. The contribution of the Wright family TEAM was marginal - a patent on a wing-warp mechanism. Of course patents come from the government, as well as the judicial enforcement of the patent (which the Wrights made extensive use of). After their start, they grew at first with some government military contracts, but by the time the U.S. entered WWI, their design was regarded as inferior to others and the military turned to French designs. To build a factory for private production, the Wrights needed to form a corporation and bring in investors. When they wanted to regain corporate control, they had to borrow from others to do it. Thinking of money, their oft-ignored sister was probably the financial brains of the TEAM. Long-term growth was ultimately achieved by merger with another company to bring more brains and money together. Oh, and where did the Wrights learn about aerodynamics? From a government entity - The Smithsonian. What would have happened without the Wrights? Somebody else would have done it just a bit later.
Patchouli Nyx
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Santa Cruz, California, US
What Fun Productions wrote: It's fun to watch our liberal friends degrade the risk takers in our society who have the guts to start a business and hire workers...
President Obama, pitting Americans against Americans.
What a sad sack.
Gianantonio wrote: You still haven't pointed out where obama said what you say he said...
WFP appears to be busy playing with his sad sack. He'll get back to you later.
Octave Chanute might agree that they didn't build it *alone*. To think that inventors like the Wright Brothers operated in a vacuum and were unaided by the efforts of others is the height of intellectual simplicity and dishonesty.
And as we look at the inset with the credit we see... The masters of intellectual simplicity and dishonesty.
Wye wrote: Octave Chanute might agree that they didn't build it *alone*. To think that inventors like the Wright Brothers operated in a vacuum and were unaided by the efforts of others is the height of intellectual simplicity and dishonesty.
“If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants.”
Sir Isaac Newton
Providing protection for the country is indeed one of the things that WE WANT THE GOVERNMENT doing... I have stated that before.
We seem to diverge on the limit of the role of the government in our lives. We choose to fund our government to provide certain services which make sense to provide on a collective basis... things like the military, trash collection (local governments), and so on. We never intended for the government to be a replacement for individual responsibility and self-determination.
give it up light craft you're wasting your breath with these Koolaid drinkers... like my idiot neighbor thinks george bush is behind the repeal of prop 13
I'm glad to see that some members of the GOP have seen the light and now agree with the President. The Wright Brothers and "first flight" are such a brilliant example of "you didn't do it alone"
1. Let's look at the example of the Wright brothers.
--They started by researching others and who did they turn to? Wait for it, wait for it....the US Government and the Smithsonian Institution!!!!
"After collecting reference material from the Smithsonian and other sources, the Wright brothers began studying their predecessors."
http://airandspace.si.edu/wrightbrother … /index.cfm
"He (Wilbur) was able to obtain information (from the Smithsonian) on the previous work that had been done by Langley, Chanute, Lilienthal and others. Also the published work of Leonardo Da Vinci was useful to the early flight experimenters."
http://www.nnp.org/nni/Publications/Dut … others.htm
--They also turned to other experts at the time to provide information and competence that they didn't have:
"they decided to design their own engine with the help of their machining expert, Charles Taylor."
http://www.nnp.org/nni/Publications/Dut … others.htm
--And of course, while Wilbur and Orville were off experimenting at Kitty Hawk, the other Wright brothers kept their bicycle shop running (and making money) as well as one of the sisters so that income was steady. And then one of the brothers actually spied for the brothers on the Curtiss efforts to build a plane.
--How did the world find out about their flight? Gee, a range of things like, the telegraph, newspapers.
--How did the plane "take off" (economically)? Not with private enterprise...there was no interest (financially) and no money to be made at that point. No, the Wright brothers got a contract with the US Government (they also sought to sell planes to the French and British governments as well) and this contract enabled the development of their Wright flier into a more usable model. It was through government support that the growth of aviation and the Wright's work expanded greatly.
2. Here's a really compelling paper that argues that the idea of some great inventor who revolutionizes a field is just full of bunk. Instead, it's really evolutionary with dozens of people working on the same subject at the same time and contributing different bodies of knowledge. So even when it comes to invention and creativity, you don't do it alone.
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