So, the left lame brains here on the SB say "this was an outside ad...nothing to do with the Obama campaign."  Well guess what...you're wrong.  When you have a deputy campaign lying that she knows nothing but hosted a fucking conference call herself to have this story told....and that isn't some "outside" group hosting that call.  So now we have another lie by the Obama camp.  How many more will be told by Mitt and Obama when it's all done?

You guys are so lame.  Shame on you all for being that stupid to believe in that Change and Hope bullshit.  It's business as usual, win at all costs.

LOL!!!!!

Poor guy, you don't even know when Romney is jerking your chain!!!


Romney's ad doesn't mention that Republican states sought the waiver policy. The ad also doesn't mention that the Republican Governors Association asked Congress for even broader welfare waivers in 2005, in a letter signed by 29 Republican governors, including Romney

A little more from WaPo no less:

"But in addition to running its own ad with Soptic, the Obama campaign featured him in a conference call with reporters in May, when he shared his story."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ … story.html

Like taking money from families tied to death squads to fund your company?

business as usual. Don't mind the blood on that dollar bill -- it'll wash.

The problem with lying is that you sometimes forget what to say.


Romney's perpetual flip flopping is simply becoming ridiculous.

damn, for someone who makes a living helping people you don't seem to know shit about working poor.

for starters, getting medical insurance that allows you access to medical treatment isn't really inexpensive.  and that's not counting pre-existing conditions.


If one buys emergency med insurance (the cheap plan) you often have a HUGE ded and larger OOP expenses.  Translated, this is good insurance if you're hit by a bus and end up transported to the ER.

If you are out of work and have persistent back pain, are out of work and have shit credit and no money, it's going to be hard to get into a MD and have tests done to get a diagnosis if you have a crap medical plan.  WHY?  BECAUSE you don't have the  $$ to get in to see the doctor!!!

I explain this not to you because you seem not to care, you just want to blame.


But this is why it's easy, particularly if you have a sort of cancer like ovarian cancer, to be feeling "not well" and have something as simple as back pain, and dismiss symptoms until it becomes an emergency and unfortunately stage 3 or stage 4.

Need we remind you about some of Obama's:

Believes that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Believes in transparency in government.
Will close GTMO in his first year.
No lobbyists in his government.
End no-bid contracts (for contracts over $25K)
Prevent big bonuses to execs in bankrupt companies
Increase taxes on the wealthy
Five days of public comment before signing bills
Double funding for afterschool programs
Reduce earmarks

That's just a small sampling of Obama's flip-flopping.

Franky, I was just looking for a thread to write that little portion above on, and so I randomly created just enough of a segway to stick it in there. 

lmao

as in:
" Romney Killed My Wife, meanwhile, back at the ranch, Romney's Olympic horsie is learning to dance like a French poodle."

It has a nice ring to it.

You talking about PBO taking $$ from Planned Parenthood?

It is a fact of life. The majority fo the uninsured can afford health care however would rather choose other things in life than health insurance.

I did not assume that you would or would not go to a doctor from India. I stated "people". Quit taking it personally when I have never stated you in specific.

Again I have been talking about those who can afford health care however simply choose not to purchase health care.

OMG please.

You are going to compare Planned Parenthood with death squads?

Wacko

Do you have an cites or statistics to back up your assertion?

Or are you just making stuff up as you go along?


BTW I did finally check out your "Non-profit" and I noticed that you don't have any financial information or breakdown of your operating expenses.

Actually many Americans couldn't afford HC unless it was subsidized in some way.   Here are quotes for a single person like me:   https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/if … s%3A%2F%2F   The cheapest being under $100.00 a month and the one I could use being about $150.00 a month.   Lets do a couple and one child and you are over $400.00 a month.   That's a lot when people have to drive, pay for food and housing.   

Lets focus on the working poor making minimum wage and very quickly its not affordable and that does NOT include any illness you had before your policy started.   Consider people like a friend who is a Teamster.   He had to go to the ER and even with his job HC has to pay $1,500.00.   The larger issue has been making it cheaper to get people to the doctor BEFORE they need ER services.   Treating diabetes, hypertension, heart disease and other conditions before they become chronic.   In other words keeping Americans healthy actually saves us all money.

So you are correct in that some people choose not to pay for HC.   Many choose rent, food, clothes and gas.

47% of the unisured is due to rising cost of health care insurance a Kaiser Family Foundation report stated. According to the Kasier report, 47% of those uninusred in America can afford health care however have opted not to purchase plans due to the high cost of those plans.

Ok so I admit 47% is not quite the majority however very close to being the majority. Close enough to validate my claims concerning those uninsured being able to afford a plan however simply choose not to purchase a plan.

According to the report workers are paying more than 40% for a health care plan now than they did in 2005. Employers are paying 20% more.

According to the report the average income of that 47% is around $63,000 after taxes. The cost to insure a family of 4 per year is around $14,000. True that is a huge dent in the average income of that 47% however insuring their family is plausible if the family sacrifices some of their luxuries.

Therefore it is not bullshit, almost the majority (47%) of the uninsured simply would rather purchase or keep their luxuries over insuring their families due to the high cost of insurance.

ObamaCare is not going to aide one bit in insuring that 47% who refuse to purchase insurance because it will be alot cheaper for them to pay the fine (tax) and not have to sacrifice their luxuries than it would to pay for a yearly insurance plan which would require some sacrifices to be made.

There are several key factors to the problems within our health care system that ObamaCare does not address.

1.-The rising cost of medical care itself.

2.-The insurance fraud which is commonplace amongst doctors. Doctors charging patients way less who pay cash, check, etc and charging those with insurance alot more for the same procedures. Medical procedures should cost the same no matter if one is insured or not yet that is not how it is in reality.

Instead doctors are simply legally committing insurance fraud by charging those with cash, etc less yet charging insurance companies more for the same procedures.

3. - More and more companies doing away with affordable medical plans

4. - More and more people becoming unemployed for long term.

Yes you left tout the key point I was making....those who can afford insurance yet simply refuse to purchase plans.

There are options for those who cannot afford health care, fall on hard times, etc and myself and others have mentioned such options.

Even then those options are not gauranteed however it is better for one to exhaust all options than to whine and cry about how things are Obama's fault or Ronmey's fault or blah, blah, blah's fault. Nothing personal concerning your situation so do not take it personally, I am talking in generality.

There is nothing wrong with those in hard times treating themselves to a luxury every now and then like buying a video game, a 12 pack of beer, going out to eat, a massage, having a nice Christmas, etc. Every now and then one has to break the stress of being in hard times or it will drive them batshit crazy with worry.

However if one can afford insurance yet chooses to splurge on luxuries instead of a health care plan than that is a huge problem we face as a nation of taxpayers.

I would not know. I don't do any of those things and it does not matter because I am uninsurable.

They did that here this school year. All books are gone this year and all students will be required to use laptops.

The students are not allowed to use laptops from home, etc. They have to rent for $30 a month the laptops the school board purchased.

$30 a month extra is hard on some local families. And the cost to the school board for all those laptops is insane. Why not allow students to use their own laptops?

Some PC company made a small fortune from our school board. Course it is obviously all political.

And here is the kicker which I think is the most ignorant thing our school board could have done.

Because laptops are now required and no more books students have the option of actually going to the classroom or staying at home and attending school via Skype.

So far for this years enrollment over 50% of the students have opted to take classes via Skype instead of actually going to school. Of course in order to take classes via Skype there are strict conditions such as a parent must be at home overseeing things, etc.

No I do not draw a salary. I make my income from my business. No one attached to my non profit draws a salary except those who are hired office workers such as a receptionist, etc.

All of our officers have good paying jobs therefore they have forfieted a salary so the majority of money donated can go to helping others. I purposely designed my board and officers the way that I did so the people who hold those positions understand what we are trying to build.

Also there is a salary cap in our By-Laws for all officers sowhen the time comes to compenstate them they cannot recieve above that cap.

People really need to comprehend when another is making a point. What I stated about my own sturggles was general and making a point that if I can and others can so can alot of people. It had nothing to do with me and everything to do with how people can and have overcome obstacles, hardships, etc. instead of whinning and blaming as this man did in the ad.

Proper perception is the key to understanding anothers statements obviously are not that observant.

All my statements about myself have to do with what? The ad the OP linked.

The majority of them did have homeowners however homeowners only pays for damage and does not pay for fallen trees unless those trees did damage to the covered structures nor does homeowners pay for clean up and so forth.

So even though the majority of them had homeowners they still needed help with cleanup, cutting and removing fallen trees, etc.

As for the rebuilding the majority of them were taken care of by their homeowners.

However there were a few who were not insured. Mostly the elderly due to their fixed income and medical issues. For them it was a matter of homeowners or health care and well they chose health care so we along with United Way, some local churches, etc decided to rebuild those homes for those elderly people who were uninsured or relocated them to a new house away from the tornado ravaged area. Of course it was their choice to rebuild or relocate.

Then there were very few (8 families total out of over 500 homes destroyed) who could afford homeowners however did not have homeowners.

Considering the tornadoes struck miles and miles of all kinds of neghborhoods (2 very wealthy neighborhoods, over 20 middle class neighborhoods, about 10 working class neighborhoods and only 3 poor neighborhoods) than only 8 homes not being insured because they simply choose not to is an extremely low.

The 8 who could afford insurance but had none were in one of the wealthy neighborhoods.

When we went out scouting and talking to victims, cordinating with other local non profits such as United Way, etc all of us including United Way, etc were surprised that so many were insured considering the miles and miles of damage.

The Army Corp of Engineers per Federal law were not allowed to go on to private property to do clean up. All they could do was pick up the debris from the side of the street.

So people had to make sure everything was out by the street for the Army Corps to pick up. That takes alot of manpower and heavy equipment such as our dozer, our backhoe, our dumptruck, etc. along with the same kind of equipment from other organizations and local building contractors who volunteered to help.

So it was not a an insurance issue when the tornadoes struck, it was a clean up issue.

Yep that is it, packing up and moving is such an easy thing to do for those who work.

In case you have not noticed there genuis, there is an umemployment problem in America, there is a lack of jobs in America, the housing market in America sucks and so forth.

IMHO the majority of people in America cannot simply pack up and move. They live where they live because they have no other choice other than to give up a good paying job, give up many years at one job and so forth.

Yet when I replied to false claims against me I did what? Hmmmm backed it up with links to prove that what I stated about myself was truth and what another stated was what, a lie or a misconception.

Kind of hard for one to be uncompassionate yet help people. DOH therefore I backed up my claim that I am passionate by what? Linking to my non profit website.

Kind of hard to dispute the fact that one is compassionate when they link to a site that proves that they are compassionate.

But hey I understand how some are in SB, give them the evidence and they still will argue and dispute known facts.

So who was the liar, the one who claimed someone was uncompassionate or the one who proved with evidence that they were compassionate?

I only asked because you brought it up. I was genuinely interested in the financial workings of your non-profit.

I know of some non-profits where the directors pull down some big salaries --not saying that you are one of them.

As far as the rest goes it is a little ironic to me that you are telling people not to judge you until they have walked in your shoes yet you judge that man and you judged a lot of people when you said that they blow money on frivolous luxuries when you don't know that for a fact -- and that is a huge sweeping generalization.

My father used to fly for a now defunct airlines. When they went under he lost his entire pension, all of his health insurance and all of his stock options were worthless.

He chose to self-insure ( he kept enough money liquid in the bank so that if something came up he could cover it) because the insurance companies wanted $500 a month for his premium which he thought was outrageous.

Now he has medicare or whatever people have when they are old enough.

But my father could have afforded that insurance if he wanted to - -he chose not to. Not everyone can afford to take the risk that my father did and he was lucky to be a healthy guy with no known health issues.

Not everyone is so lucky. Like my sister with MS.

Who by the way can't drive, can barely walk, is legally blind, worked more than one job her whole life and was denied disability and oh yeah COBRA.

Her Cobra payments were redonkulous -- they were only good for 18 months anyways.

The company that she worked for I don't remember if it was 20 or 25 years totally screwed her too.

That's loyalty for you.

and yet again the bullshit slams keep coming with zero evidence.....

Fact I am not from Alabama nor did I attend any college in Alabama.

I am from Minneapolis and earned a degree from the University of Minnesota.

Nice of you to sterotype people who live in the south.

The thread title is a lie no matter how you slice it.

That other stuff you talked about has nothing to do with the thread title being a bald-faced lie.

Micyl Sweeney wrote:

and yet again the bullshit slams keep coming with zero evidence.....

Fact I am not from Alabama nor did I attend any college in Alabama.

I am from Minneapolis and earned a degree from the University of Minnesota.

Nice of you to sterotype people who live in the south.

I was born in the South.

If the shoe fits

However charts only show where there is a "high" probability. Who would have ever expected a violent tornado to strike downtown Joplin?

Who would have ever expected of all places Hunstville, Alabama to recieve over 12 inches of snow in the winter of 2010 not just once, a few times we had sufficient snow falls that winter which is extremely rare. It has happened before however very rare.

And well the list could go on...........

There's a reason why it's called tornado alley

So all people who live in the South are uneducated rednecks?

Please go on with your stertypical bigot attitude and tell us what you think of Canadians, blacks, Asians, etc. Why stop with Southerners?

you know what the shoe fits means?

But the south and the midwest are not know for being hotbeds of progressive thinking.

Got no problems with any of the people you mentioned.

Yet two of the top ten worst single tornadoes in US history were not in tornado alley, they were in Michigan and Wisconsin.

So I guess those in Michigan, Wiscosin should prepare for tornadoes instead of blizzards?

Yet the worst blizzard on record (in 1899) did not happened in the north, it happened from Tampa Florida all the way up to Washington DC. Even New Orleans was affected by the Great Blizzard.

Then of course also in the top ten worst blizzards in US history is the one in 1993 that went from as far south as Cuba all the way up the Eastern part of the US including Florida, NC, Ga, SC, DC, etc.

So I guess those in Florida, etc should prepare for blizzards instead of hurricanes?

3 of the largest earthquakes in US history happened in Missouri.

So I guess those in Missouri should be prepared for earthquakes instead of flooding from the Mississippi river or tornadoes?

Isn't sterotyping things fun? Fact is we cannot sterotype where mother nature will strike.

Sure there are areas prone to certian natural disasters however as I have demostarted those areas that were prone to certian natural conditions are not limited to those conditions. Some of the worst natural disasters that I mentioned did not happened in the "prone" areas.

So do tell genuis, how does one prepare for something their area is not prone to?

The reason only 8 died in our community and the majority of people were insured is because hmmmmm they were prepared for torandoes.

Of course all the preparation in the world could have not prepared us for what hit us that tragic day in April of 2011 and again in March 2012.

Only one other time in history has such a disaster happened in this area and that was in 1974 with a similair tornado outbreak aka The Super Outbreak.

I was jusy refuting your statement that there was no known tornado prone area.

There is -- it's called tornado alley. I believe you live in it.

Here are my exact words....

I never stated that there was not a "prone" area such as tornado alley. I even mentioned that some states are more prone than others.

I stated that there is no such thing as a "known" tornado area. In other words it is not "known" what area a tornado will strike. Tornadoes can stirke damn near anywhere in the US.

Sure tornado alley is more prone therefore we can watch the weather patterns and warn people about the possibility of a tornado however we cannot "know" what area will experience a tornado including areas within the prone area until the tornado forms therefore there is no "known" area.

Yeah I am not going to argue semantics with the likes of you.

Have at it old man

OMG really Captain Obvious?