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Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


I just had a designer say to me that to ask to be paid in cash after my services have been rendered is "offensive, unnecessary and unprofessional."

I get regular paid work and I have on my invoice that payment needs to be given in full after my services have been rendered and no one has had a problem with this...until now of course.

I have had enough people not hand back images ,  thoughtless of payment - if I haven't worked with someone before then I want to be paid once the shoot is over. Surely that is understandable ?

If I am working for a company then fine let's do bank transfers but for private clients then I want the money there and then - then we're all happy. smile

For those getting regular paid work what is your payment method ?
Aug 09 12 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Trulives Photography
Posts: 288
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada


Aaliyah I wrote:
I just had a designer say to me that to ask to be paid in cash after my services have been rendered is "offensive, unnecessary and unprofessional."

It would only be 'offensive' if you did not let them know in advance. Otherwise, it sounds perfectly reasonable.

Aug 09 12 12:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
FacesByNiki
Posts: 51
Germantown, Maryland, US


If they already know in advance, I don't see a problem with it. 

If you are telling them when you get there, that might be the issue.
Aug 09 12 12:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
sweetapple
Posts: 218
Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands


I always ask for payment in cash if it's the first time working together.
Since I regularly did not get paid by bank after the shoot
( sometimes even with an agency in between) I learned my lesson.

First time? never met? please pay in cash , invoice wil be send to you by mail as we speak.
( can make my invoice on an accounting program on my phone )

work done, administration done, thats it

So, nothing rude about that for me
Aug 09 12 12:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


Professional trust and respect means checks are fine.  If they are not for you, you are working for the wrong people.
Aug 09 12 12:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Trulives Photography wrote:

It would only be 'offensive' if you did not let them know in advance. Otherwise, it sounds perfectly reasonable.

I agree. I get all the details out of the way including method of payment before I even confirm my attendance. That way there are no misunderstands on the day . I don't think I  put it too bluntly but if I did then that's just what I call business. Complete transparency with me , no faffing about !

Aug 09 12 12:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,801
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Innovative Imagery wrote:
Professional trust and respect means checks are fine.  If they are not for you, you are working for the wrong people.

+1 I usually pay in cash just because I am a cash kind of person, but a business check should be fine.  At least in GA writting a bad check is a crime and I prefer to not be arrested.

Regardless paying at time of service if agreeded in advance is not asking too much.  As photographers we often have to invoce and get paid later by clients, it's a pain "being the bank" so I know both sides of it.

Aug 09 12 12:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Innovative Imagery wrote:
Professional trust and respect means checks are fine.  If they are not for you, you are working for the wrong people.

Professional trust and respect for those who earn it who earn it my friend...for those who earn it.

Aug 09 12 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Little
Posts: 283
London, England, United Kingdom


Aaliyah I wrote:
I just had a designer say to me that to ask to be paid in cash after my services have been rendered is "offensive, unnecessary and unprofessional."

I get regular paid work and I have on my invoice that payment needs to be given in full after my services have been rendered and no one has had a problem with this...until now of course.

I have had enough people not hand back images ,  thoughtless of payment - if I haven't worked with someone before then I want to be paid once the shoot is over. Surely that is understandable ?

If I am working for a company then fine let's do bank transfers but for private clients then I want the money there and then - then we're all happy. smile

For those getting regular paid work what is your payment method ?

I totally agree with you!

I ask for payment either on day of the shoot (if images are being handed over via disk) or payment on delivery of images if it's a private client. If it's a wedding then its a 50% deposit to confirm the booking.
They also get a proper invoice or receipt and yes HMRC does know about it!

It's not "offensive, unnecessary and unprofessional." It's business!

Just my way of doing things!

A

Aug 09 12 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
A M Y B
Posts: 127
Providence, Rhode Island, US


+1 for no faffing smile
Aug 09 12 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


Aaliyah I wrote:

Professional trust and respect for those who earn it who earn it my friend...for those who earn it.

And how does that happen?  What is your criteria for judging?

There also seems to be two questions in this thread.  Being paid at time of service and being paid in cash.

I often get retainers, or deposits, depending on what we are talking about.  I also get paid before the event for things like weddings.  Afterward or at time of shooting for orders or commercial work.   It depends what the contract specifies.  You are using a contract aren't you?  Part of being a professional.

Aug 09 12 12:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,801
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Aaliyah I wrote:

Professional trust and respect for those who earn it who earn it my friend...for those who earn it.

Professionalism is earned - WTF.  No it's professionalism on your part, you are running a small business as well.  I agree with you that payment terms were coverd up front and were obviously acceptable to the client.  However you are starting to loos me here...

Aug 09 12 12:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
D S P
Posts: 510
Portland, Oregon, US


I'm fine paying cash as long as I know ahead of time so I don't have to send an assistant to the ATM or bank AND if I get a receipt or invoice that get marked as paid. Sounds like you bring an invoice! Kudos!
Aug 09 12 12:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
FacesByNiki
Posts: 51
Germantown, Maryland, US


Ok, now I'm confused.
Aug 09 12 12:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


AJScalzitti wrote:
Professionalism is earned - WTF.  No it's professionalism on your part, you are running a small business as well.  I agree with you that payment terms were coverd up front and were obviously acceptable to the client.  However you are starting to loos me here...

No need to be so rude.

MY professionalism is not earned. I don't let how people treat me determine how I treat them in return. I treat everyone in a professional manner regardless of who they are or what their experience level is. My professionalism could never be earned - the amount of times I've had to bite my tongue not for the rude persons sake but mine. You never know who will see you suck it up and then recommend you for a job.

What I meant was that I'm not going to trust and respect any GWC. Although I'm not particularly mistrusting , respect is a two way street and my trust has to be earned. I'm sorry if that post wasn't clear and looked as if I meant something else.

Aug 09 12 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Heather J M
Posts: 718
London, England, United Kingdom


Hmm.. I never ever request to be paid either in cash or on the day. I'll take it if offered, but otherwise all my business is conducted in writing and I issue full invoices. In the UK being paid in cash is generally associated with persons who do not declare their full income to the Revenue. I suspect the designer has made this assumption about you. For bridal clients I require full payment to be made 2 weeks in advance of their wedding date (I hate chasing starry eyed newlyweds), everyone else gets an emailed invoice after the work has been done.

You know, you are fully covered by law to recoup your money - if they delay payment after 30 days then you are entitled to £40 for less than £100, £70 for less than £1000 and I think £100 for any amount after that PLUS 8% per day of interest accrued on the amount owing. You also have small claims courts available for pursuit - which cost around £30 to lodge and you can add this cost to the amount you are recouping. If they decline to pay even after this, their credit rating is going to go through the floor, so in this instance I put far greater faith in someone trading under their own name (gwc or no) paying up promptly and far less in a limited company who can declare themselves bankrupt and leave you high and dry.
Aug 09 12 01:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Little
Posts: 283
London, England, United Kingdom


Heather J M wrote:
In the UK being paid in cash is generally associated with persons who do not declare their full income to the Revenue. I suspect the designer has made this assumption about you.

I take it that is why Sainsburys, Tescos and other large retailers in the UK no longer take cash!

As for making the assumption does the designer work for HMRC? Either way who cares its down the the OP to declare her income not the person paying! My understanding is the only requirement that some business may ask for is that you are VAT registered (its not law) however it is one of the reasons why I am as many larger companies won't deal otherwise

As for small claims you are right but it may and often does still leave the individual who is making the claim out of pocket, people who don't pay really don't give a shit about their credit score they just move on and set up under a different Ltd company. Which leaves the self employed individual out of pocket.

Aug 09 12 01:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Heather J M
Posts: 718
London, England, United Kingdom


Tesco's don't pay their staff in cash and when you purchase groceries you are always provided with a receipt. I'm sure the designer doesn't work for the HMRC, but I for one do not like to deal in cash as there is no paper trail to prove that I have in fact paid them. Unless the artist is providing receipts for her cash payment, I am very much on the side of the designer in being uncomfortable with the idea. Good business practise is to create records of payments made and received - cash does not naturally lend itself to this in our industry.

I already outlined the difference between a person trading as themselves and the dangers of a limited company - reiterating my post does what exactly? Your misunderstanding of what I have written and kind endeavor to enlighten me has amused me though.
Aug 09 12 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Heather J M wrote:
Hmm.. I never ever request to be paid either in cash or on the day. I'll take it if offered, but otherwise all my business is conducted in writing and I issue full invoices. In the UK being paid in cash is generally associated with persons who do not declare their full income to the Revenue. I suspect the designer has made this assumption about you. For bridal clients I require full payment to be made 2 weeks in advance of their wedding date (I hate chasing starry eyed newlyweds), everyone else gets an emailed invoice after the work has been done.

You know, you are fully covered by law to recoup your money - if they delay payment after 30 days then you are entitled to £40 for less than £100, £70 for less than £1000 and I think £100 for any amount after that PLUS 8% per day of interest accrued on the amount owing. You also have small claims courts available for pursuit - which cost around £30 to lodge and you can add this cost to the amount you are recouping. If they decline to pay even after this, their credit rating is going to go through the floor, so in this instance I put far greater faith in someone trading under their own name (gwc or no) paying up promptly and far less in a limited company who can declare themselves bankrupt and leave you high and dry.

Thanks for your post. I don't see being paid in cash working for you as you work in TV(right?) but I'm not working in that industry. Being paid in cash on the day means that I don't have to go to through the hassle of bugging a private client and maybe having to go to a small court to get my hard earned money.

It saves me the headache. I don't think the designer was concerned that I was a tax dodger , it's my responsibility to fully declare my income to the tax man - no skin off their nose.

I send clients a invoice and receipt (usually on request) before and after payment so they have it on their records. 

If doing paid tests what payment method do you use ?

Aug 09 12 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Little
Posts: 283
London, England, United Kingdom


Heather J M wrote:
Tesco's don't pay their staff in cash and when you purchase groceries you are always provided with a receipt. I'm sure the designer doesn't work for the HMRC, but I for one do not like to deal in cash as there is no paper trail to prove that I have in fact paid them. Unless the artist is providing receipts for her cash payment, I am very much on the side of the designer in being uncomfortable with the idea. Good business practise is to create records of payments made and received - cash does not naturally lend itself to this in our industry.

I already outlined the difference between a person trading as themselves and the dangers of a limited company - reiterating my post does what exactly? Your misunderstanding of what I have written and kind endeavor to enlighten me has amused me though.

I've misunderstood nothing!

The OP has made It clear in her original post that invoices are part of her normal business practice.

She is merely asking to be paid in cash as she is unsure about the fact that she will be paid (credit worthiness of client) asking to be paid on the day is not unreasonable. If it's a new client or not a major company although with the current economic environment even major companies have credit problems remember Woolworths?

As for anything else it is really fine to conduct business in the UK with cash there is no reason or law as to why you should not. As has already be written the OP provides invoices for work done so there is the paper trail.

As for Tescos not paying staff in cash they used to. The reason they don't now has nothing to do with tax laws its down to cost and security.

Aug 09 12 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Heather J M
Posts: 718
London, England, United Kingdom


Andrew - I'm not picking a fight with you. I attempted to explain to the OP what the designer's issue was. You are not actually responding to the post I am writing, you are determined to prove me wrong. And you won't because I'm not.

Here in little simple words so that misunderstanding me is going to be a bigger effort:

Payment made by cheque or bank transfer creates a paper trail. This is to protect the person paying, not to protect the OP. If they pay in cash, with no receipt (an invoice is a demand not an acknowledgment) what is to protect them should she present for payment a second time?
The attitude of many, rightly or wrongly, is that cash is requested by persons who are not declaring to the revenue. While it is outside her remit, this designer is possibly unsettled by this and has made her feelings known. This may not be the case, I mentioned it as a possible explanation for the charge of unprofessionalism.
Asking for cash without the mechanism of a receipt (paper trail for the person paying, not receiving) puts the client in an awkward position of having to refuse - I would not like this either. An invoice here does nothing to protect.
Someone being personally sued for payment through the courts has more at stake as their credit rating is more likely to be important to them.
Limited companies which on the surface seem far more safe, are actually not as they can declare bankruptcy with impunity.
A single person is unlikely to declare bankruptcy as it would involve losing their salable possessions including house and car so is more likely to pay the small sums involved in a makeup artist fee to prevent this.



On a tangent but still relevant I feel - why did you make the effort to criticise what was on my part a helpful effort to shed light on the situation that has led to this thread at all? You haven't countered my points with actual fact, just scoffed from the sidelines. Nowhere have I suggested that Aaliyah is operating outside the law. Just that asking for cash does have this as a possible inference. What was it I wonder, that you found so personally offensive that you even bothered?
Aug 09 12 02:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,744
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


What if the client wanted to pay by credit card, surely a professional run business would except them.
Aug 09 12 02:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Body Painter
Lisa Berczel
Posts: 3,996
Corona, California, US


It really depends on the Client/Customer/Situation.

I will NOT take a check OR invoice an Events Promoter the day-of. If they choose to pay by check, it has to clear my bank prior to the Event.

I will invoice a Client/Agency with a clearly established business/reputation.

Smaller companies, start ups, personal projects - Cask is King unless there is a very strong referral involved.

I almost always pay my Crew in Cash.
Aug 09 12 02:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,801
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Aaliyah I wrote:

No need to be so rude.

MY professionalism is not earned. I don't let how people treat me determine how I treat them in return. I treat everyone in a professional manner regardless of who they are or what their experience level is. My professionalism could never be earned - the amount of times I've had to bite my tongue not for the rude persons sake but mine. You never know who will see you suck it up and then recommend you for a job.

What I meant was that I'm not going to trust and respect any GWC. Although I'm not particularly mistrusting , respect is a two way street and my trust has to be earned. I'm sorry if that post wasn't clear and looked as if I meant something else.

That is a different thing then.  Nobody should act unprofessional at/on a shoot.  Some clients do and that can be an issue.  In fact learning when to say no to a job or letting a problem client go is a hard skill for people to learn.

Normally I consider the MUA part of my team, and I am usually the one hiring them and paying them.  The MUA, often the hair stylist, and any assistants are line items for hiring me.  I don't mind being the bank for that part of the job.  But then again payment terms are never an issue, we have worked that out long ago when we first started to work together.

Aug 09 12 02:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Little
Posts: 283
London, England, United Kingdom


Heather J M wrote:
Andrew - I'm not picking a fight with you. I attempted to explain to the OP what the designer's issue was. You are not actually responding to the post I am writing, you are determined to prove me wrong. And you won't because I'm not.

Here in little simple words so that misunderstanding me is going to be a bigger effort:

Payment made by cheque or bank transfer creates a paper trail. This is to protect the person paying, not to protect the OP. If they pay in cash, with no receipt (an invoice is a demand not an acknowledgment) what is to protect them should she present for payment a second time?
The attitude of many, rightly or wrongly, is that cash is requested by persons who are not declaring to the revenue. While it is outside her remit, this designer is possibly unsettled by this and has made her feelings known. This may not be the case, I mentioned it as a possible explanation for the charge of unprofessionalism.
Asking for cash without the mechanism of a receipt (paper trail for the person paying, not receiving) puts the client in an awkward position of having to refuse - I would not like this either. An invoice here does nothing to protect.
Someone being personally sued for payment through the courts has more at stake as their credit rating is more likely to be important to them.
Limited companies which on the surface seem far more safe, are actually not as they can declare bankruptcy with impunity.
A single person is unlikely to declare bankruptcy as it would involve losing their salable possessions including house and car so is more likely to pay the small sums involved in a makeup artist fee to prevent this.



On a tangent but still relevant I feel - why did you make the effort to criticise what was on my part a helpful effort to shed light on the situation that has led to this thread at all? You haven't countered my points with actual fact, just scoffed from the sidelines. Nowhere have I suggested that Aaliyah is operating outside the law. Just that asking for cash does have this as a possible inference. What was it I wonder, that you found so personally offensive that you even bothered?

Tooshay!

Look I'm not look for a fight either.

IMO I made no effort to criticise you.

From your point of explaining the designers point of view. You have no idea (unless you know them) what their position is so your comment is irrelevant and based on speculation. You do point out later that they may be right or wrong either way your original point was seen a speculation.

Like a great deal of other people who have been ripped off by so called designers and companies over the years who go bust at a blink of an eye or just don't and never have any intention of paying. I have and so have others learnt the the hard way. Regardless of the consequences for the individual.

The point I'm making is anyone can ask for cash with no shame. They can provide a invoice or receipt which ever is appropriate at the time.

This is not bad business practice any more than some companies no longer take cheques. If it was the Bank of England would no longer be getting the royal mint to print money and we would all be using visa or mastercard or anything else for that matter which at the moment we don't.

Going of thread I think the OP has a good folio as do you!

Aug 09 12 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Little
Posts: 283
London, England, United Kingdom


AJScalzitti wrote:

That is a different thing then.  Nobody should act unprofessional at/on a shoot.  Some clients do and that can be an issue.  In fact learning when to say no to a job or letting a problem client go is a hard skill for people to learn.

Normally I consider the MUA part of my team, and I am usually the one hiring them and paying them.  The MUA, often the hair stylist, and any assistants are line items for hiring me.  I don't mind being the bank for that part of the job.  But then again payment terms are never an issue, we have worked that out long ago when we first started to work together.

+1

Aug 09 12 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Little
Posts: 283
London, England, United Kingdom


Lisa Berczel wrote:
It really depends on the Client/Customer/Situation.

I will NOT take a check OR invoice an Events Promoter the day-of. If they choose to pay by check, it has to clear my bank prior to the Event.

I will invoice a Client/Agency with a clearly established business/reputation.

Smaller companies, start ups, personal projects - Cask is King unless there is a very strong referral involved.

I almost always pay my Crew in Cash.

Totally agree

Aug 09 12 02:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,432
Cleveland, Ohio, US


I only pay with business check with a net 30 days after I get your invoice regardless if the studio gets paid or not..  So don't take your time invoicing....  I'll always have a paper trail and a 1099 will be sent out by the end of January for the previous year
Aug 09 12 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,815
Los Angeles, California, US


Aaliyah I wrote:
What I meant was that I'm not going to trust and respect any GWC. Although I'm not particularly mistrusting , respect is a two way street and my trust has to be earned. I'm sorry if that post wasn't clear and looked as if I meant something else.

I think the problem here was you have not stipulated until now that you mean ONLY GWC's, nor have you explained how you determine if they are a GWC.  This assumes you mean the figurative derogatory inference (GWC) and not the literal male photographer (guy with a camera, and lights and computers and so forth).  smile

If you assume everyone is a GWC, then that is a little rude and as I said before, if you are having a hard time collecting your fee on a regular basis, then you are working for the wrong people.   Having an agreement for work and the payment schedule in advance should handle identifying problem clients and enable you to choose to work for cash in advance or OK to check clients.

Aug 09 12 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,986
Costa Mesa, California, US


Aaliyah I wrote:
I just had a designer say to me that to ask to be paid in cash after my services have been rendered is "offensive, unnecessary and unprofessional."

I get regular paid work and I have on my invoice that payment needs to be given in full after my services have been rendered and no one has had a problem with this...until now of course.

I have had enough people not hand back images ,  thoughtless of payment - if I haven't worked with someone before then I want to be paid once the shoot is over. Surely that is understandable ?

If I am working for a company then fine let's do bank transfers but for private clients then I want the money there and then - then we're all happy. smile

For those getting regular paid work what is your payment method ?

REAL clients..I bill and they pay in anywhere from a week to 30 days. I stopped working with large concerns decades ago because they all wanted 30-60-90 day billing. I'm a one man shot with freelancers hired on a work for hire basis. I can't also become someone's loan company. I require new clients to pay 1/2 up front and the rest when they receive the work. But most won't pay in cash. The IRS hates cash transactions. And when I pay someone beyond a certain amount I have to have their SS# so I can later send them the appropriate tax form reporting the income. Now that's in the "Real" world.

In the "online" world everyone expects cash. So what we do has to be agreed to in advance. Me..I never pay anyone in cash. I need receipts. And my canceled check is the best receipt. Harder for the IRS to complain about than an invoice marked paid. Both is even better.

Aug 09 12 03:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Innovative Imagery wrote:

You are using a contract aren't you?  Part of being a professional.

I hate how sarcastic and pathetic these threads can get...

I don't know what industry you work in but it's not mine. Contracts created by MUAs are mostly for bridal work where a contract is essential. I don't work in the bridal industry - I work in fashion.

Aug 09 12 03:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Little
Posts: 283
London, England, United Kingdom


Aaliyah I wrote:

I hate how sarcastic and pathetic these threads can get...

I don't know what industry you work in but it's not mine. Contracts created by MUAs are mostly for bridal work where a contract is essential. I don't work in the bridal industry - I work in fashion.

Don't forget the one big thing that makes the difference in what is being said in these forums is the Atlantic Ocean.

Often but not always is what is right on one side of the pond is wrong on the other! Not that that may be the case in this thread but it's always worth remembering!

Aug 09 12 03:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Innovative Imagery wrote:
If you assume everyone is a GWC, then that is a little rude and as I said before, if you are having a hard time collecting your fee on a regular basis, then you are working for the wrong people.   Having an agreement for work and the payment schedule in advance should handle identifying problem clients and enable you to choose to work for cash in advance or OK to check clients.

I don't ever have a hard time collecting my fee because I get paid the same day of the shoot , in full. In cash. As agreed prior to the shoot. Unless I am working on a bigger gig where a alternative method of payment would of been agreed upon in advance. 

If you would like to talk more feel free to message me.

Aug 09 12 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Aaliyah I wrote:
For those getting regular paid work what is your payment method ?

Invoice client, wait anything between 28 days and 280 days.

Some MM models are doing themselves out of a lot of business by demanding cash upfront in every single instance. The industry reality is a mixture of all types of payment, being flexible, sometimes trading and sometimes smart models even invest in TF work, knowing it's going to be noticed at the very least, if not sold later.

I appreciate some MM models would rather have £50 on the day, than wait months for £500, but at the end of the day photographers are freelance and self-employed too. If I have no client and it's personal work, the models making the most money out of me are the ones who are willing to "shoot first, ask questions later"...

Aug 09 12 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
logic11
Posts: 10
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Images by MR wrote:
What if the client wanted to pay by credit card, surely a professional run business would except them.

Most of the MUA's and models I have worked with don't have merchant accounts (something that can take some setting up). So, no, that probably isn't the case.

Aug 09 12 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Aaliyah I
Posts: 226
Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


Andrew Little wrote:

Don't forget the one big thing that makes the difference in what is being said in these forums is the Atlantic Ocean.

Often but not always is what is right on one side of the pond is wrong on the other! Not that that may be the case in this thread but it's always worth remembering!

Yes your right ! There are different laws and slightly different ways of handling things over in the states. Definitely something for me to take into consideration when reading some posts smile I think it's pretty similar though

Aug 09 12 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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KJB
Posts: 1,184
New York, New York, US


This situation is exactly why you need to use Deal Memos. Everything about the job is there in writing (including preferred payment terms) before you arrive.

And for those of you that haven't joined the 21st Century -
There are devices available, like Square, that allow you to take credit card charges on your iPhone, Android or iPad.
Aug 09 12 04:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


It costs £12.50 to rent a credit card machine in the UK per month. Go figure.
Aug 09 12 04:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Little
Posts: 283
London, England, United Kingdom


KJ Bennett Beauty wrote:
This situation is exactly why you need to use Deal Memos. Everything about the job is there in writing (including preferred payment terms) before you arrive.

And for those of you that haven't joined the 21st Century -
There are devices available, like Square, that allow you to take credit card charges on your iPhone, Android or iPad.

Try using Square in the UK

Their may be others but as the op is in the UK square is useless!

Aug 09 12 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Aaliyah I
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Stevenage, England, United Kingdom


KJ Bennett Beauty wrote:
This situation is exactly why you need to use Deal Memos. Everything about the job is there in writing (including preferred payment terms) before you arrive.

And for those of you that haven't joined the 21st Century -
There are devices available, like Square, that allow you to take credit card charges on your iPhone, Android or iPad.

Unfortunately square isn't available in the UK and I haven't heard of any UK versions being made yet but I'll keep a eye out for them as they look like real handy !

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