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Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


Who enjoys the beauty of traditional Japanese tattoos?

I certainly do, who else?

Who has a traditional Japanese tattoo, plans to get one and has favorite images of such art?

This is how mine got started 12 years ago... it has grown to a full back piece, two half sleeves and ends on my lower thighs.

It's not finished yet, but I hope I have the money together this year to get it done... have about 15 hours left, 85 hours completed, almost 50 hours were done in Asakusa/Tokyo by Horicho of Asakusa (11 hours in NYC, then 38 hours in Tokyo).

In NYC, the back is being done by Horisei (Yokohama)...

This link is 18+ for bare assnesses...  smile
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/070201/10/45c2090d3e713.jpg
Aug 10 12 01:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
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Nobody?
Aug 10 12 04:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


That's badass...
Aug 11 12 05:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


P I X I E wrote:
That's badass...

Thanks! smile

Aug 12 12 06:48 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Eliza C
Posts: 7,884
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


Very cool Udor - I like them
Aug 12 12 07:16 am  Link  Quote 
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Erin Holmes
Posts: 6,444
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


My husband has a partial bodysuit, all done in Yokohama. His back is completely covered, buttocks, ending mid thigh.

This is a photo of it in progress. Now that it's complete I need to do some new photos.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6169/6177989143_9b314a74ec_m.jpg
Tattoo by Erin Holmes, on Flickr
Aug 12 12 01:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


Eliza C wrote:
Very cool Udor - I like them

Thanks Eliza! smile

Aug 12 12 04:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,369
San Diego, California, US


Are traditional Japanese tattoos and Yakuza tattoos from the same body of art, or totally different categories?

Are there social levels, classes, professions, or stigma's associated with Japanese tattoos?

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I enjoyed the movies, Irezumi, from 1966 and 1982

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0200740/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084153/
Aug 12 12 07:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


Click Hamilton wrote:
Are traditional Japanese tattoos and Yakuza tattoos from the same body of art, or totally different categories?

Are there social levels, classes, professions, or stigma's associated with Japanese tattoos?

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I enjoyed the movies, Irezumi, from 1966 and 1982

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0200740/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084153/

The Japanese tattoos are the same art, and, although denied by mainstream society in Japan, is done by all type of people of a lot of social classes.

Even some samurai had tattoos, although officially only the working class such as the firemen and construction workers had them.

In the Meji restauration, the tenno banned the practice of tattooing, because he assumed that this practice may appear barbaric to the Westeners and only they were allowed to be tattooed (officially).

As a result, king George of England got a tattoo of a dragon on his forearm and many society people of Europe enjoyed them.

Since tattooing was then driven to the underground, and regular people got tattooed, but never showed them, (the father of a Japanese prime minister was fully tattooed and not a Yakuza, Horicho of Asakusa, the master who tattooed me and is shown in that page above) showed me the pictures on the wall where I got worked on in his studio.

After WW2, the Yakuza became strong organizations and saw themselves as the keepers of the samurai tradition (after all, that's the origin of the yakuza, disenfranchised ronin (master less samurai) who had to resort to a life of crime) and since they were outside of society already, they were the only ones that were showing their tattoos in public.

Which was later picked up by novels, comics and television, showing only the yakuza with tattoos and as a result, the regular people with tattoos became very secretive about it and the stigma of tattoos and organized crime went out of proportions.

However, in recent years, "point" tattoos, the western style smaller tattoos became popular among the Japanese youth and more and more the traditional tattoos are surfacing again... but the cultural stigma is still high.

In some onsen, if you have a Japanese tattoo, you won't be let in if you are Japanese... but in the bigger cities, it's supposedly not much of a problem.

Once a year, at the sanja matsuri (festival) in Asakusa, a huge shinto festival, tens of thousands of tattooed people come and participate in this religious ceremony:

http://garywolff.com/sanja-matsuri.jpg

Google Image Search for "Sanja Matsuri"

Well... hope I answered some questions Click.

smile

Aug 12 12 10:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Click Hamilton
Posts: 34,369
San Diego, California, US


udor wrote:
Well... hope I answered some questions Click.

smile

Indeed!

Aug 12 12 11:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


Erin Holmes wrote:
My husband has a partial bodysuit, all done in Yokohama. His back is completely covered, buttocks, ending mid thigh.

This is a photo of it in progress. Now that it's complete I need to do some new photos.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6169/6177989143_9b314a74ec_m.jpg
Tattoo by Erin Holmes, on Flickr

That's cool, I have the same coverage as your husband... it's called "turtleback"

The artist that is working on my back is from Yokohama as well and lives and works in NYC for a few years.

Aug 13 12 12:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andialu
Posts: 14,029
San Pedro, California, US


Sucks having tats if you want to visit Japan's many amazing onsens. They won't let you in. Even some if not most capsule hotels.
Aug 13 12 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


Andialu wrote:
Sucks having tats if you want to visit Japan's many amazing onsens. They won't let you in. Even some if not most capsule hotels.

There are listings with tattoo friendly onsen AND... if you are a Westener with a traditional tattoo, you also may get tolerated, because as a Westener, you won't be a yakuza.

Horicho, when I asked him about this in 2001 in Tokyo, he said that especially in and around Tokyo, there are no problems.

I wanted to go so badly, but I got worked on for a week and wasn't allowed to go to a jacuzzi or sauna for 3 to 4 months.  sad

Aug 13 12 12:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


dp
Aug 13 12 12:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35,267
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Erin Holmes wrote:
My husband has a partial bodysuit, all done in Yokohama. His back is completely covered, buttocks, ending mid thigh.

This is a photo of it in progress. Now that it's complete I need to do some new photos.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6169/6177989143_9b314a74ec_m.jpg
Tattoo by Erin Holmes, on Flickr

OMFG WOW THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING!

yikes

Aug 13 12 01:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eliza C
Posts: 7,884
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


Erin Holmes wrote:
My husband has a partial bodysuit, all done in Yokohama. His back is completely covered, buttocks, ending mid thigh.

This is a photo of it in progress. Now that it's complete I need to do some new photos.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6169/6177989143_9b314a74ec_m.jpg
Tattoo by Erin Holmes, on Flickr

Again very beautiful

Aug 13 12 02:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


Andialu wrote:
Sucks having tats if you want to visit Japan's many amazing onsens. They won't let you in.

Can't be generalized:

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSaw7V7suZXe77lVgW5UigBNh4PPPjI1nTQYK7toAqlqEDtfT3D

Aug 13 12 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dinah Raphaelle
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Los Angeles, California, US


udor wrote:
Nobody?

Aug 13 12 08:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Erin Holmes
Posts: 6,444
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


P I X I E wrote:

OMFG WOW THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING!

yikes

The part on his butt is my favorite part smile A coy on each thigh/buttock, they're beautiful. One is green and one is blue.

Aug 13 12 08:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dinah Raphaelle
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Los Angeles, California, US


i have newschool mixed w japanese traditional that i designed myself but i just signed on to model mayhem and didnt realize that the pics have to be up online already to share!...anyway love the culture, ink, and your guys' work smile
Aug 13 12 08:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


2001, Horicho, me in Asakusa, Tokyo

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/UdoRPhotoArchive/Miscellaneous/HorichoUdoR-med.jpg?t=1330021922
Aug 13 12 09:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
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New York, New York, US


Erin Holmes wrote:

The part on his butt is my favorite part smile A coy on each thigh/buttock, they're beautiful. One is green and one is blue.

LOLl... and I've got ninja-rats watching their master/sensei teach a human samurai on my butt... smile

Aug 21 12 04:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Mr. Tengu
Posts: 296
New York, New York, US


I absolutely love the tranquility in this short clip from Baraka...

This tattoo is beautiful... and the whole scene is so meditative but too short.

"Baraka" (1992) Tattoo in Bathhouse
Sep 27 12 08:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Mr. Tengu
Posts: 296
New York, New York, US


More gorgeous Japanese tattooed females with meditative shakuhachi flute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctUpsV-E … ture=share
Sep 28 12 02:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


There is a documentary, called "The Way of the Ink"

It's a Japanese production, somehow I think the French are involved as well...

Here is a small Youtube clip... funny, the music is almost like from a Quentin Tarrantino movie (Dusk 'til Dawn and Desperado)

Clip from "The Way of The Ink"
Nov 19 12 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
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Jolly Rauncher
Posts: 1,516
Seattle, Washington, US


Plan on getting one as soon as my uncle gets out of the poor house hehe.
But seriously, always wanted one. Was supposed to go to Japan for college but couldn't afford it, my plan was to get one while I was studying abroad.

On a related note, one of my friends has a wonderful piece, extending over his shoulders and down the backs of his calves. This is an older pic, but you get the jist. It's much more complete now.
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/61262_1582160041447_7437671_n.jpg
Nov 19 12 08:14 am  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


udor wrote:
Who enjoys the beauty of traditional Japanese tattoos?

I certainly do, who else?

Normally I'm not a big fan of tattoos (and some I absolutely despise), but I'm fascinated with Japanese and Polynesian tattooing.

A few years ago I was part of a group commercial shoot and one of the models was Megan Kawaguchi (http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/26408284), who's got a drop-dead beautiful Japanese dragon on her right shoulder. When we chatted briefly during a break, I had a hard time maintaining eye contact because of that dragon.

Nov 19 12 08:41 am  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


I am trying to find out if Horicho is still alive, so I did a google search and found this image about him... it's old too.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyvroarEcX1r93uo2o1_500.jpg
Nov 21 12 05:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


Jolly Rauncher wrote:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/61262_1582160041447_7437671_n.jpg

Very cool!!!

Dec 02 12 12:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


I found this beautiful full length documentary on YouTube, called Horishi Tattoo - Irezumi".

It is in Japanese, but if you click on CC, you will get English subtitles for the entire program.

Very cool documentary!
Dec 02 12 12:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


I am starting to save some money... although I have to upgrade my cameras... BADLY... I really want to finish my tattoo this year... no matter what... and before summer.

I am guessing that I have 15 hours to go... maybe less... it's shading and coloring only that I have to get and the outlines usually takes the longest... so I hope that I'll be done with those hours... which will let me have a total of 100 hours...

Just want to have my work done... I'll start to schedule when I have probably have $1,000 saved up... that would give me the initial deposit and six to seven hours... not sure what Horisei is charging nowadays per hour.

However... that should get me closer to finish... now I just have to put a thousand bucks aside from money I don't have... AFTER I paid for at least one used body of the Nikon D300s in a few weeks... smile
Feb 01 13 04:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 22,037
New York, New York, US


Here is a great documentary, which unfortunately focuses almost exclusively on the Yakuza... but it's still very well made... except for this commenter Jake Adelstein, author of "Tokyo Vice", who certainly knows about crime and vice in Tokyo... but he is a total moron in his knowledge of tattoos... I haven't heard something stupid like this in a very, very long time (at 6:10), where he explains that the strip in the middle of the chest/torso remains un-tattooed, because otherwise the skin can't breath and the liver will get toxic...

WTF!!! This guy must still think that the gold painted girl in James Bond's Goldfinger really died because the gold paint didn't let her skin breath... What a moron!!!

The skin pores are totally unaffected by the ink, breaths, sweats and everything else like non tattooed skin...

Well... that said... for those interested... enjoy!

Marked Death of the Yakuza (44:55 min)
Nov 30 13 11:16 am  Link  Quote 
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