Well, what do you mean versatility then? Are you wanting to know if you could do different types of modeling? No, you don't have enough diverse expressions.
See, expression is everything. I'd rather have an expressive model, than one who can just pose really good. You have the same expression in every photo, and it actually is the first thing I notice without even really examining them. And I find it distracting. Versatility, as EVERYONE, has said, is more than whatever you think it is.
And I hate to break it to you, but you are butthurt. You're mad at people for not giving you the answer you wanted. If you want to hear yes to your question, just ask friends. They always say yes to friends. But don't ask strangers for an opinion, they won't give you a pat on the ass.
I DONT want people to just tell me "yes you are versatile" because MM is the last place to expect that. I told multiple people what I was ACTUALLY seeking but they still would not answer me. That is annoying and rude.
This is the last post I am discussing on this ridiculous expression topic. I have changed my first post, if you want to continue discussion here then change your topic to what applies.
Your body is pretty much the same "feel" in all photos (as well as face, but I'll focus on body).
Think of different ways to use your body-
"drape"
"tense"
"relax"
"defensive"
"fearful"
"free"
I think practicing going through different ways to use your body would make you more expressive (and by default, more versatile). Even if you're just lying on a rock, changing the feeling in your body can make 2 shots look extremely different.
Anna Adrielle
Posts: 17,002
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
there are other expressions besides "blank stare" and "big smile"
it also has nothing to do with looking directly at the viewer or not
I think you just need to study your face a bit more. The other day I was helping out a starting out model, who naturally had a bit of a sad expression (simply because of her bonestructure and stuff). she had to really overexaggerate certain things (for her), to come across a little bit different (for us).
every face works differently, and not all faces are naturally as expressive. it's the kristen stewart syndrome .
so perhaps try things every now and then that feel "too much" for you, cause they probably won't come across as all that much to the viewer
(and I don't mean things like screaming or laughing like a maniac.)
Cole Morrison wrote: I DONT want people to just tell me "yes you are versatile" because MM is the last place to expect that. I told multiple people what I was ACTUALLY seeking but they still would not answer me. That is annoying and rude.
This is the last post I am discussing on this ridiculous expression topic. I have changed my first post, if you want to continue discussion here then change your topic to what applies.
Cole Morrison wrote: As far as posing and body type, does my portfolio make me appear versatile as a model?
Your body is pretty much the same "feel" in all photos (as well as face, but I'll focus on body).
Think of different ways to use your body-
"drape"
"tense"
"relax"
"defensive"
"fearful"
"free"
I think practicing going through different ways to use your body would make you more expressive (and by default, more versatile). Even if you're just lying on a rock, changing the feeling in your body can make 2 shots look extremely different.
$0.02
That is a very interesting perspective. A lot of my wardrobe shots are going to be weeded out as they are older and not really necessary anymore. I'm transitioning over to art nude which are mostly all pretty recent although I've only done a few shoots in that area. I am definitely going to take these "feels" into consideration and practice, thank you.
DAN CRUIKSHANK wrote: They are the six pics in your lingerie album. I would delete the whole lingerie album.
So I took down most of those shots, and deleted the folder itself mixing them into fashion.
And I deleted some wardrobe and a few weaker nude shots. I'm looking to delete a few more wardrobe shots and I'm still deciding on what should go.
Is it looking a touch better and ready for room for new growth?
butthurt seems to be peoples favorite excuse. i am seeking crit on something completely seperate from "expressing" and its annoying to only get crit on that. i never claimed my expressing was perfect or that i dont need to work on it. im not using this thread for expression advice. im using it for modeling advice not expressing but thats apparently the only wrong thing i do.
THEY ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING.
Expression/posing/body movement = modeling.
You can't express emotion...therefore you can't model...that's pretty much our only job.
Practice in Front of a mirror while listening to your favourite songs. You've got wicked hair, and a nice body, I don't think you are a bad model, you just need to work on your expression since its where you're lacking.
So I took down most of those shots, and deleted the folder itself mixing them into fashion.
And I deleted some wardrobe and a few weaker nude shots. I'm looking to delete a few more wardrobe shots and I'm still deciding on what should go.
Is it looking a touch better and ready for room for new growth?
Ken Marcus Studios wrote: Modeling from the neck down is of little use. You can pose a dead body in any position and it won't communicate very much to the camera.
Facial expressions are key to communicating the emotions of the model and they provide a reason to why she/he is doing whatever they are doing in the photograph
You need to learn how to emote.
Try taking an acting class to learn the techniques of doing this.
+1. You have to feel it and that starts in your expression and works down. Now I know that you have written that you were not asking about expression and that you work it with your eyes but I don't see it in your eyes.
Worse than maybe not have the same expression - let it be the fierce angry or the happy look or whatever - what I get from your expression is your shots is a feeling of indifference. Not saying that in your thoughts you don't care but photographically that is what comes across to me and it doesn't sell any pose to me.
So I took down most of those shots, and deleted the folder itself mixing them into fashion.
And I deleted some wardrobe and a few weaker nude shots. I'm looking to delete a few more wardrobe shots and I'm still deciding on what should go.
Is it looking a touch better and ready for room for new growth?
You need to work with a photographer (one that knows the rules and what they are talking about, not a GWC) to make your port look it's best and work for you... That's the job of the photographer to know the right/best photographs to use AND can get what you want...
E H wrote: You need to work with a photographer (one that knows the rules and what they are talking about, not a GWC) to make your port look it's best and work for you... That's the job of the photographer to know the right/best photographs to use AND can get what you want...
i have not been working with "gwc" and that's very rude to the photographers i have worked with.
Your body positioning is irrelevant if all the viewer can see is flat expression. We're human beings. We are programmed to look at faces, first.
I'm not the one being an ass in this thread...
you are giving unsolicited critique. i am sure you read the first post when you entered and could clearly see what i was seeking critique in, and chose to ignore it.
you are giving unsolicited critique. i am sure you read the first post when you entered and could clearly see what i was seeking critique in, and chose to ignore it.
Hmmmm... this was your first post:
Cole Morrison wrote: As far as posing and body type, does my portfolio make me appear versatile as a model?
Show me where it says, "Don't make any comments about my physical being above my shoulders." I'm no mind reader.
Your head is attached to the rest of you, is it not? Your facial expression, from a psychological point of view, makes the rest of your body appear equally rigid.
Don't believe me? Set something up with a photographer to take TWO pictures. Nothing changes between these two pictures, aside from a smile, frown, smirk, grin - anything you like, aside from what you've got in your portfolio now - and post them both. I'm willing to bet a batch of cookies that others will view the image with an expressive face as being more fluid, dynamic and versatile.
If you don't want to be critiqued on your expressions, take the word "versatile" out of your post. Regardless of how good you are at posing, it's impossible for you to be a "versatile" model if you can't emote and show a variety of different facial expressions.
That's what everyone is trying to tell you, but you still haven't changed your OP to reflect what you're actually asking.
If you *only* want critique on your posing, be more clear and say something like:
"I'm interested in a critique of my posing ability only. Do you think my portfolio shows a variety of different and interesting poses? If not, what should I add, or what can I do better?"
The fact that you don't seem to think facial expression/emoting is important means that you most likely will never be a "versatile" model.
If you don't want to be critiqued on your expressions, take the word "versatile" out of your post. Regardless of how good you are at posing, it's impossible for you to be a "versatile" model if you can't emote and show a variety of different facial expressions.
That's what everyone is trying to tell you, but you still haven't changed your OP to reflect what you're actually asking.
If you *only* want critique on your posing, be more clear and say something like:
"I'm interested in a critique of my posing ability only. Do you think my portfolio shows a variety of different and interesting poses? If not, what should I add, or what can I do better?"
The fact that you don't seem to think facial expression/emoting is important means that you most likely will never be a "versatile" model.
I never said it wasnt important. I said it wasn't what I was seeking in this particular thread. Can I not seek critique on just body or something? I dont get what the huge problem about me seeking JUST body posing critique is with everyone!
Because you asked for a critique, and then got pissed at what you got. You asked a simple question, and then complained people weren't answering what you wanted, even though everyone gave you perfect advice and critiques. And then people got annoyed, because you kept pushing the issue.
Don't ask a question, if you don't want the answer. Especially in this industry.
except that the answer im getting WASNT the question i asked - thats why im frustrated. i want body critique and im getting face critique from about all but two people. would you not be annoyed too? "perfect" advice is not ignoring what i asked and telling me something else.
you are giving unsolicited critique. i am sure you read the first post when you entered and could clearly see what i was seeking critique in, and chose to ignore it.
i don't think it is possible to give an un-solicited critique here. you have posted in the critique forum, so i think you are pretty open to having all sorts of critiques thrown at you
Modeling isnt all about serious faces. I think you'd get wonderful shots smiling/laughing. You have a very lost look in your eye. It's really not connecting with the camera. It looks like your just posing and doesn't look natural. Look up Coco Rocha. She's the queen of posing and facial expressions.
Everyone is giving you great advice though. You should really take what they say into consideration.
If you don't want to be critiqued on your expressions, take the word "versatile" out of your post. Regardless of how good you are at posing, it's impossible for you to be a "versatile" llama if you can't emote and show a variety of different facial expressions. That's what everyone is trying to tell you, but you still haven't changed your OP to reflect what you're actually asking.
If you *only* want critique on your posing, be more clear and say something like:
"I'm interested in a critique of my posing ability only. Do you think my portfolio shows a variety of different and interesting poses? If not, what should I add, or what can I do better?"
The fact that you don't seem to think facial expression/emoting is important means that you most likely will never be a "versatile" llama.
Cole Morrison wrote: I never said it wasnt important. I said it wasn't what I was seeking in this particular thread. Can I not seek critique on just body or something? I dont get what the huge problem about me seeking JUST body posing critique is with everyone!
There's nothing wrong with you asking for JUST a body posing critique, but your OP is not clear, as I said in my previous post. As long as the word "versatile" is in your post, you will get advice on your expressions, because versatility as a llama is largely about facial expression and emoting.
Do you think you can be "versatile" as a llama *without* the ability to emote?
If your answer is "yes", please explain. If your answer is "no", why are you including the word "versatile" in your OP when you don't want any advice on your facial expressions/ability to emote?
i have not been working with "gwc" and that's very rude to the photographers i have worked with.
As long as you are happy is all that matters,,, but your not because your here doing this cleansing and not with a photographer ,,, I do hope you find a photographer to help and work with you
All the best
LA StarShooter
Posts: 1,024
Beverly Hills, California, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
You must be right . . . . I guess nobody wanted to work with him either . . .
That's a king hit. I think when really good photographers and professional models take the time to point out the obvious and then even a noted photographer points to a famous comedian's range of expressions and you can't connect with what they are saying, it's coming down to the question that you may want to ask yourself: can you connect? Your posing doesn't connect for me. Emotional flow: an expression helps trigger the rest of the body's capacity for expression in poses. If a soft gentle expression is the thing, then the body's pose may have gentle and sometimes slight curves in the arms and legs, putting everything in expressive union, particularly if the model is standing in a meadow and the shot has haze effects.
It's very difficult to express emotion in posing, which goes to versatility, if the facial expression isn't triggering emotion. Most top models practice expression and posing together and sometimes they deliberately and with some skill put body and face in antagonistic expressions and attitudes.
To achieve the kind of versatility in posing that you may seek, it does start with facial expression, even if you're wearing a veil. You may find this exercise helpful: find a sheer veil, white background and work in a mirror. Be nude if possible. Tell yourself to look wildly rapturous, with the sheer veil on your face, check your face, now what are limbs and the rest of your body doing? Is the pose expressing rapture? Do you need to dial down the pose, emotively speaking? Try fury and check if your posing expresses fury as well as your face does. Looking straight on at the mirror go for soft and gentlethe body and try different poses for all of these and see if you can figure out what sings. By seeing the limbs and body as part of the vehicle for expression, rather than separate, you will advance greatly and will book more work. You don't have to use the veil but in doing so you may have figured out how to make one work for you.
The expressive model is just great to work with and often I get excited at the thought of working with an actress or a comedian because of their expressive abilities in body as well as face.
There's nothing wrong with you asking for JUST a body posing critique, but your OP is not clear, as I said in my previous post. As long as the word "versatile" is in your post, you will get advice on your expressions, because versatility as a llama is largely about facial expression and emoting.
Do you think you can be "versatile" as a llama *without* the ability to emote?
If your answer is "yes", please explain. If your answer is "no", why are you including the word "versatile" in your OP when you don't want any advice on your facial expressions/ability to emote?
1 and as another person mentioned before - it is very difficult to classify a critique as "unsolicited" if you posted the critique forum. It would have to be a critique out of left field so to say and pretty much any discussion of llamaing that has the word "versatile" in it, expression is fair game.
+1 and as another person mentioned before - it is very difficult to classify a critique as "unsolicited" if you posted the critique forum. It would have to be a critique out of left field so to say and pretty much any discussion of modeling that has the word "versatile" in it, expression is fair game.
but apparently i can get critique on everything except for what i want isnt that nice
That's a king hit. I think when really good photographers and professional models take the time to point out the obvious and then even a noted photographer points to a famous comedian's range of expressions and you can't connect with what they are saying, it's coming down to the question that you may want to ask yourself: can you connect? Your posing doesn't connect for me. Emotional flow: an expression helps trigger the rest of the body's capacity for expression in poses. If a soft gentle expression is the thing, then the body's pose may have gentle and sometimes slight curves in the arms and legs, putting everything in expressive union, particularly if the model is standing in a meadow and the shot has haze effects.
It's very difficult to express emotion in posing, which goes to versatility, if the facial expression isn't triggering emotion. Most top models practice expression and posing together and sometimes they deliberately and with some skill put body and face in antagonistic expressions and attitudes.
To achieve the kind of versatility in posing that you may seek, it does start with facial expression, even if you're wearing a veil. You may find this exercise helpful: find a sheer veil, white background and work in a mirror. Be nude if possible. Tell yourself to look wildly rapturous, with the sheer veil on your face, check your face, now what are limbs and the rest of your body doing? Is the pose expressing rapture? Do you need to dial down the pose, emotively speaking? Try fury and check if your posing expresses fury as well as your face does. Looking straight on at the mirror go for soft and gentlethe body and try different poses for all of these and see if you can figure out what sings. By seeing the limbs and body as part of the vehicle for expression, rather than separate, you will advance greatly and will book more work. You don't have to use the veil but in doing so you may have figured out how to make one work for you.
The expressive model is just great to work with and often I get excited at the thought of working with an actress or a comedian because of their expressive abilities in body as well as face.
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