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Jersey Jay
Posts: 97
Saint Saviour, Saint Saviour, United Kingdom


Hi all,

I have a Nikon D7000, when I open the RAW files in VIEWNX the file will be around 22meg, however after converting to jpeg the files will drop to between 3.5 and 5.5meg, this will allow me to order prints up to 20" x 20" on my Zenfolio account if I don't do any cropping, however if I so much as crop into the photo by a couple of % the resolution drops so I can't print larger than 24" x 16". Any bigger crops sees what I can print dropping into the A4 and smaller brackets!!!

So my question is should I be able to get much bigger files from VIEWNX even though I already have the slider set to max?

And should I be able to get much bigger prints from a 16meg camera or is this the limit anyway?

Thanks

Jay
Aug 19 12 12:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 20,130
Salem, Oregon, US


looks like what you get is 4,928 × 3,264

at 300ppi that amounts to 16.4" x 10.9"

if you need to print bigger you have to lower the ppi or uprez the file. i usually lower the ppi unless it starts getting down to like 100 (but sometimes for large format that's the best you can do). check with your lab to see what minimum ppi they recommend. the good news is you can often get a good print at less than 300ppi especially if the intended viewing distance is a few feet away (like a tradeshow booth).
Aug 19 12 01:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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ME_
Posts: 2,932
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Jersey Jay wrote:
Hi all,

I have a Nikon D7000, when I open the RAW files in VIEWNX the file will be around 22meg, however after converting to jpeg the files will drop to between 3.5 and 5.5meg, this will allow me to order prints up to 20" x 20" on my Zenfolio account if I don't do any cropping, however if I so much as crop into the photo by a couple of % the resolution drops so I can't print larger than 24" x 16". Any bigger crops sees what I can print dropping into the A4 and smaller brackets!!!

So my question is should I be able to get much bigger files from VIEWNX even though I already have the slider set to max?

And should I be able to get much bigger prints from a 16meg camera or is this the limit anyway?

Thanks

Jay

You can make a billboard-sized print from your camera. I will guess that you are either misunderstanding something about the printing process or Zenfolio is, because you can certainly print much larger than 24x16" with that camera.

Aug 19 12 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Paul Richard Wossidlo
Posts: 465
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


Jersey Jay wrote:
Hi all,

I have a Nikon D7000, when I open the RAW files in VIEWNX the file will be around 22meg, however after converting to jpeg the files will drop to between 3.5 and 5.5meg, this will allow me to order prints up to 20" x 20" on my Zenfolio account if I don't do any cropping, however if I so much as crop into the photo by a couple of % the resolution drops so I can't print larger than 24" x 16". Any bigger crops sees what I can print dropping into the A4 and smaller brackets!!!

So my question is should I be able to get much bigger files from VIEWNX even though I already have the slider set to max?

And should I be able to get much bigger prints from a 16meg camera or is this the limit anyway?

Thanks

Jay

You need to stop looking at file size (megabytes) and start start looking at image size (megapixels).  They are two different things.  File size has little to do with the maximum size print you can make.

1)  In ViewNX2, the "slider set to max" that you are referring to is for converting files to JPEG and only controls the amount of JPEG compression (file size), not the image size.

2)  When you crop in ViewNX2, at the bottom of the pulldown for crop sizes you should see two options that are the native image size for your camera.  One is for a landscape (horizontal) crop, and the other is for a portrait (vertical) crop.  If you select either of these options, ViewNX2 will do the crop and resize the image back to the original (uncropped) image size.

3)  You should check with Zenfolio (or Mpix) for what image sizes (or resolution in pixels per inch) they recommend for different size prints.  When I worked for ExposureManager (a Zenfolio competitor) we told photographers it wasn't necessary to use 300 pixels per inch beyond 11x14 prints, because of the increased viewing distance.  In fact, the same 2400x3000 pixel file you would use for an 8x10 (at 300 pixels per inch) could also be used for a 16x20 (at 150 pixels per inch).

Aug 19 12 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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David Parsons
Posts: 895
Quincy, Massachusetts, US


Jersey Jay wrote:
Hi all,

I have a Nikon D7000, when I open the RAW files in VIEWNX the file will be around 22meg, however after converting to jpeg the files will drop to between 3.5 and 5.5meg, this will allow me to order prints up to 20" x 20" on my Zenfolio account if I don't do any cropping, however if I so much as crop into the photo by a couple of % the resolution drops so I can't print larger than 24" x 16". Any bigger crops sees what I can print dropping into the A4 and smaller brackets!!!

So my question is should I be able to get much bigger files from VIEWNX even though I already have the slider set to max?

And should I be able to get much bigger prints from a 16meg camera or is this the limit anyway?

Thanks

Jay

Have you verified any of this by actually printing pictures, or are you going by what you are reading on the Internet, or what the software is telling you?

Aug 19 12 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 4,381
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Jersey Jay wrote:
And should I be able to get much bigger prints from a 16meg camera or is this the limit anyway?

I print 24x36 all day long with 10mp cameras... stop listening to what the software is telling you.

Aug 19 12 05:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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natural beauties of qld
Posts: 1,483
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


Jersey Jay wrote:
Hi all,

I have a Nikon D7000, when I open the RAW files in VIEWNX the file will be around 22meg, however after converting to jpeg the files will drop to between 3.5 and 5.5meg, this will allow me to order prints up to 20" x 20" on my Zenfolio account if I don't do any cropping, however if I so much as crop into the photo by a couple of % the resolution drops so I can't print larger than 24" x 16". Any bigger crops sees what I can print dropping into the A4 and smaller brackets!!!

So my question is should I be able to get much bigger files from VIEWNX even though I already have the slider set to max?

And should I be able to get much bigger prints from a 16meg camera or is this the limit anyway?

Thanks

Jay

I have found ViewNX to be rather unsatisfactory software, and much prefer Lightroom.

However, that aside, I would have expected your raw file to convert to a jpeg around half the raw size, not about a fifth of the raw size, so I wonder if there is a problem with how you are using ViewNX? 

A simple check might be to shoot simultaneously in raw with the large fine jpeg option on as well and then compare the file sizes.

Aug 19 12 10:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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photoimager
Posts: 4,162
Stoke-on-Trent, England, United Kingdom


-JAY- wrote:
I print 24x36 all day long with 10mp cameras... stop listening to what the software is telling you.

My understanding is that on-line solutions for people / clients to order photographs from, such as Zenfolio and Smugmug, have a 'quality standard' where they limit the size of the photographs that can be ordered based on the pixel dimensions of the image. If you want to work around this you need to finde the required pixel dimensions for the largest size that you want to be able to be printed and then resize your image using appropriate software, for example OnOne Perfect resize ( used to be Genuine Fractals ). The OP does therefore need to listen to what the software is telling them for what they are doing and then find a workaround for it.

Aug 20 12 02:51 am  Link  Quote 
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photoimager
Posts: 4,162
Stoke-on-Trent, England, United Kingdom


natural beauties of qld wrote:
I have found ViewNX to be rather unsatisfactory software, and much prefer Lightroom.

ViewNX & ViewNX2 are free and, in the case of ViewNX2, is updated for new Nikon cameras somewhat earlier than anything by Adobe et al. ViewNX2 also picks up any incamera image settings and interpret them as Nikon intends as opposed to Adobe's reverse engineered attempt. Trying to compare it to Lightroom is a little 'apples and oranges'. If I'm printing on-site at an event then I find ViewNX2 to be more than sufficient. For my general work my default software is CNX2, despite my having CS5. I've tried LR, LR2 & LR3 but have found those to be 'unsatisfactory' since I am expected to follow Adobe's way of doing things as opposed to deciding for myself.

natural beauties of qld wrote:
I would have expected your raw file to convert to a jpeg around half the raw size, not about a fifth of the raw size, so I wonder if there is a problem with how you are using ViewNX?  A simple check might be to shoot simultaneously in raw with the large fine jpeg option on as well and then compare the file sizes.

JPEG will be smaller than raw, it depends on the compression value used as to how much smaller. This is independent of the software being used, just, as has been pointed out earlier, dependent on the value chosen.

Aug 20 12 03:02 am  Link  Quote 
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Jersey Jay
Posts: 97
Saint Saviour, Saint Saviour, United Kingdom


Thanks for the replies peeps, to answer some of the comments, I do have Photoshop Elements 10 and this does indeed convert the file to roughly half the original size of the RAW file so taking up twice as much space on my hard drive, but this has no effect on the size of print I can order from Zenfolio. Both the Elements 10 and the smaller VIEWNX(2) jpegs will print at the same size.

As stated on this thread, the Nikon software has some added features such as automatically correcting lens distortion and fixing CA.

I tried using the VIEWNX cropping tool the other day (this is what lead to this post) and it reduces the file size even more, to the point where I couldn't print larger than 10x8s!! however the same image cropped in Elements 10 will print much bigger??

I shoot in 14 Bit RAW and fine jpeg at the same time, and the camera conversions are the same size as the VIEWNX jpeg files.

The reason I made this post is to understand what is going on with the limits on print size, as my girlfriend had some photographs printed locally where I live at 24 x 18 from an old Fujifilm 6 meg bridge camera and they looked great!!!

But as stated, maybe Zenfolio's outsource printers are more strict on the ppi? than my local printers. Maybe I should see what my local printers would be willing to push the size to? 

Thanks again

Jay
Aug 20 12 08:48 am  Link  Quote 
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